Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-08-26 Thread Erik Hofman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a joint project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the Frecce Tricolori). Today they made a lunch and fuel stop at my local Airport (EHT

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce

2005-07-30 Thread Gene Buckle
Martin Spott wrote: Gene Buckle wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..since we do have guns now in FG, and since Slobodan's shills didn't dare challenge my "rulings" ;o) on Geneva Convention "disputes" in soc.culture.yugoslavia, alt.war.yugoslavia etc a decade ago, I believe w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce

2005-07-30 Thread Martin Spott
Gene Buckle wrote: > Martin Spott wrote: >> Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>>..since we do have guns now in FG, and since Slobodan's shills didn't >>>dare challenge my "rulings" ;o) on Geneva Convention "disputes" in >>>soc.culture.yugoslavia, alt.war.yugoslavia etc a decade ago, I believe >>>we can code b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-29 Thread Gene Buckle
Dave Martin wrote: On Friday 29 July 2005 14:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..and, this latter bit can get us some seriously fat funding: "FlightGear helps war game authors teach soldiers how to prevent war crimes." Or even just "helps Fight Pilots avoid Friendly-Fire incidents ;) Better ye

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce

2005-07-29 Thread Gene Buckle
Martin Spott wrote: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..since we do have guns now in FG, and since Slobodan's shills didn't dare challenge my "rulings" ;o) on Geneva Convention "disputes" in soc.culture.yugoslavia, alt.war.yugoslavia etc a decade ago, I believe we can code both a kill score AI "engine", an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce

2005-07-29 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott wrote: I heavily object because this lets FlightGear definitely cross the line between serious simulation and war games, I think what we have to come to grips with is that just about any tool ... software or hardware can be used to benefit humanity (or our enviroment or whate

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce

2005-07-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:02:04 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..since we do have guns now in FG, and since Slobodan's shills > > didn't dare challenge my "rulings" ;o) on Geneva Convention > > "disputes" in soc.culture.yugoslavia, alt.war.yug

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce

2005-07-29 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..since we do have guns now in FG, and since Slobodan's shills didn't > dare challenge my "rulings" ;o) on Geneva Convention "disputes" in > soc.culture.yugoslavia, alt.war.yugoslavia etc a decade ago, I believe > we can code both a kill score AI "engine", and a war crime "s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-29 Thread Dave Martin
On Friday 29 July 2005 14:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..and, this latter bit can get us some seriously fat funding: > "FlightGear helps war game authors teach soldiers how > to prevent war crimes." Or even just "helps Fight Pilots avoid Friendly-Fire incidents ;) Dave Martin.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-29 Thread Gerard Robin
Le vendredi 29 juillet 2005 à 15:18 +0200, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : > On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:11:40 +0200, Gerard wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > ..._sexy_ way to sneak in war game features: we need to model > > > anti-aircraft lava ammo 'n turbine blade ash etc damage. ;o) > > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:11:40 +0200, Gerard wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > ..._sexy_ way to sneak in war game features: we need to model > > anti-aircraft lava ammo 'n turbine blade ash etc damage. ;o) > > > > We don't need it, only watch the TV, and wait for Iraki News. :=( ..bull,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-29 Thread Gerard Robin
> ..._sexy_ way to sneak in war game features: we need to model > anti-aircraft lava ammo 'n turbine blade ash etc damage. ;o) > We don't need it, only watch the TV, and wait for Iraki News. :=( -- Gerard ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:01:28 +0100, Lee wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thursday 28 Jul 2005 15:15, Vivian Meazza wrote: > > Dave Culp > > > > ... snip ... > > > > > The present system makes smoke/contrails by releasing AI > > > objects rapidly. There are three problems with it now: >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 28 Jul 2005 15:15, Vivian Meazza wrote: > Dave Culp > > ... snip ... > > > The present system makes smoke/contrails by releasing AI > > objects rapidly. There are three problems with it now: > > > > 1) Orienting the objects properly. Only applies for long > > (i.e. cylindrical, > > re

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:34:13 -0700 (PDT), Craig wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello all, > > Where do I find this aircraft. Is it released yet? ..chk down the $FGROOT/data/aircraft/ tree. > Craig > > Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:01 -0500, Dave

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Erik Hofman > > Jim Wilson wrote: > >>From: Erik Hofman > > >>Which they do, they clearly added modified versions of FlightGear > >>configuration files to the systems and sound directory. > >> > >>If they want us to respect their copyright I expect them to respect ours > >>and make clea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:20:38 +0200, Erik wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andy Ross wrote: > > > Basically, it seems to me like these guys are fine, with a few > > nit-picky exceptions like the joystick configuration. I don't think > > Yes, but why the joystick configuration and not the

Re: smoke was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Gerard Robin
Le jeudi 28 juillet 2005 à 19:07 +0200, Harald JOHNSEN a écrit : > >I think Harald is working on this as an offshoot of his 3d clouds. I'm quite > >sure we can't do better with the AI ballistic approach as it stands. > > > >Vivian > Not really working on it atm becaue I need to advance on the sh

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: Basically, it seems to me like these guys are fine, with a few nit-picky exceptions like the joystick configuration. I don't think Yes, but why the joystick configuration and not the sound configuration (which was created by me for the c172) for instance. we need to raise

smoke was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Vivian Meazza wrote: Dave Culp ... snip ... The present system makes smoke/contrails by releasing AI objects rapidly. There are three problems with it now: 1) Orienting the objects properly. Only applies for long (i.e. cylindrical, rectangular) models. 2) Matching the release rate to t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Andy Ross
Erik Hofman wrote: > You can always argue what would be derived work: just the modified files > or the complete package. Personally I would say the first. Modifying a file is, pretty obviously, creating a "derived work" under any reasonable interpretation. :) > There is no argument possible about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Craig Martin
Hello all,   Where do I find this aircraft. Is it released yet?   CraigArnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:01 -0500, Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> > Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release> > an improved version of the aircraft (wi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: From: Erik Hofman Which they do, they clearly added modified versions of FlightGear configuration files to the systems and sound directory. If they want us to respect their copyright I expect them to respect ours and make clean which versions are derived from FlightGear an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:01 -0500, Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release > > an improved version of the aircraft (with smokes?). > > We have smoke/contrails now, but they need a lot of work: > > http://home.comcast.n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Erik Hofman > > Erik Hofman wrote: > > > As long as they haven't used *any* FlightGear supplied code, sound > > files, textures, configuration files or anything else included in the > > base package, they can do whatever they want. > > > > If, however, they have used one or more parts

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Erik Hofman > > Gerard Robin wrote: > > > We could wonder about the License compatibility with GNU. > > > > FlighGear Team should probably discuss that with HCI Lab of the > > University of Udine, before official FG distribution. > > That licence goes against our "up to now policy". > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: and make clean which versions are derived from FlightGear and hence are Eh, ... clear, "make clear which files are derived" ... Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/ma

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: As long as they haven't used *any* FlightGear supplied code, sound files, textures, configuration files or anything else included in the base package, they can do whatever they want. If, however, they have used one or more parts included in the base package, then their wor

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Gerard Robin wrote: We could wonder about the License compatibility with GNU. FlighGear Team should probably discuss that with HCI Lab of the University of Udine, before official FG distribution. That licence goes against our "up to now policy". The HCI Lab licence look like many External devel

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricoloriaerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Vivian Meazza
Dave Culp ... snip ... > > The present system makes smoke/contrails by releasing AI objects rapidly. > There are three problems with it now: > > 1) Orienting the objects properly. Only applies for long (i.e. > cylindrical, > rectangular) models. > > 2) Matching the release rate to the airpla

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Martin
> Is it better to ask to the Author to solve it? > I did it on my side > > We could wonder about the License compatibility with GNU. > > FlighGear Team should probably discuss that with HCI Lab of the > University of Udine, before official FG distribution. > That licence goes against our "up

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Gerard Robin
Le jeudi 28 juillet 2005 à 14:39 +0100, Dave Martin a écrit : > > Congratulation to the Author. > > > > The flight is wonderful, very accurate. > > > > Only little difficulties under Linux with the "Upper-case, Lower-case" > > mixing (direct.xml => Direct.xml, *.ase => *.ASE, instruments name, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jon Stockill
Dave Culp wrote: 3) Making a smoke model that merges well with the others. I've heard (on this list) that this may be a plib limitation. It may require the use of a different visual model, like billboards or particle fields. I'm sure someone has already done some work on particle smoke. IS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Culp
> Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release > an improved version of the aircraft (with smokes?). We have smoke/contrails now, but they need a lot of work: http://home.comcast.net/~davidculp2/contrails.jpg They look OK from some angles, and look bad from others. I tri

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Martin
> Congratulation to the Author. > > The flight is wonderful, very accurate. > > Only little difficulties under Linux with the "Upper-case, Lower-case" > mixing (direct.xml => Direct.xml, *.ase => *.ASE, instruments name, and > flap => Flap). > > Arrh MS Windows. > I would fix the faults and m

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobaticjet

2005-07-28 Thread Jon Berndt
> Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release > an improved version of the aircraft (with smokes?). If anyone > at flightgear.org would like to link our MB-339 PAN project in > the "Related Projects" section, we would be very happy. >Bye, Augusto. I will mention it in the u

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobaticjet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Culp
> > Nice model. I particularly like the horizon ball. > > I particularly like the fact that they used FlightGear :-D And I also like the fact that they used JSBSim and started with aeromatic :) Dave ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@fl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Gerard Robin
Le jeudi 28 juillet 2005 à 08:37 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a > joint > project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine > and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the > Frecce Tricolori). > > The Lab

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobaticjet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a joint project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the Frecce Tricolori). The Lab has produced a detailed, flyable model

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobaticjet

2005-07-28 Thread Vivian Meazza
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a > joint > project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine > and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the > Frecce Tricolori). > > The Lab has produced a detailed, flyable model > of