Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-24 Thread Amanda Ward
On 23/10/2004, at 11:33, Larry le Mac wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And 1 KB * 1 K is mixed mode math. Since the 2nd term has no object, it's considered to be base 10... 1024 * 1000 yields the wrong count. Never mix your bases. Are you aware of the difference between 1 KB and 1 kB ? From what

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-24 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Dennis B. Swaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben, when was the SI changed? K = Kilo or 1,000 Don't be cocky if you can't get it right yourself... kilo = k (not K) Larry _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-24 Thread Larry le Mac
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] we're not even smart enuf to decide if we should go metric or english! That makes no sence what so ever as I studied electronics at University in England for 4 years and we used nothing but METRIC!!! What is English measuring system ??? If someone tries to inform me that

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-24 Thread victoria Duggan
On Sunday, October 24, 2004, at 07:29 pm, Larry le Mac wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] we're not even smart enuf to decide if we should go metric or english! That makes no sence what so ever as I studied electronics at University in England for 4 years and we used nothing but METRIC!!! What is

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-24 Thread Travis Martin
Yeah, and they claim to speak English, but it's hardly recognizable to us in Texas! Travis On Oct 24, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Larry le Mac wrote: Sure, but England is a METRIC country and has been for a very long time... Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog

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2004-10-24 Thread Larry le Mac
lesson. Larry From: Travis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MAC verses Mac Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:01:17 -0500 Yeah, and they claim to speak English, but it's hardly recognizable to us in Texas! Travis On Oct 24, 2004, at 2

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2004-10-24 Thread Richard Clark
Richard Clark MawgaDog Computer Systems http://mawgadogsnewt.homeip.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] iChat: mawgadog33 (AIM) (AOL) Yahoo: ozzy wells icq:115390002 On 24 Oct 2004, at 22:18, Larry le Mac wrote: Are you seriously saying that the Texas accent is more real English than English ??? Umm Larry take

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2004-10-24 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Richard Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Umm Larry take it easy i think he was joking because both English and Texans have accents that are funny even to me and i'm English. No worries, I am half English myself so there's no lack of humour, but it just gets to me when Americans think that their

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2004-10-24 Thread Travis Martin
Wasn't it Sir Winston who is attributed with saying something like, The English and the Americans are separated by a common language? Need a linguistic history lesson? That is an accusation up with which I will not put... Travis On Oct 24, 2004, at 3:25 PM, Richard Clark wrote: Umm Larry take

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2004-10-24 Thread Travis Martin
Yeah, and next you'll be claiming the English play football...and what's with driving on the wrong side of the road? Travis On Oct 24, 2004, at 3:42 PM, Larry le Mac wrote: No worries, I am half English myself so there's no lack of humour, but it just gets to me when Americans think that their

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2004-10-24 Thread Shawn Harley
When is enough enough? 47 posts? 48? 49? The only thread pertinent to this list (G-Books) is the Lombard - eMac offshoot. And I thought Laurent asked twice for this to end. I'll not respond further to this way off topic post. Shawn On Oct 24, 2004, at 5:11 PM, Travis Martin wrote: Yeah, and next

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2004-10-24 Thread Andrew F.
Around 1981 or so the Canadian Rhinoceros party had a great solution to bring Canada into line with the UK. They proposed a three-year plan transition, with heavy trucks the first year, buses and light trucks the second, and any remaining survivors the third. Andrew On 10/24/04 2:11 PM, Travis

English: Was MAC verses Mac

2004-10-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 10/24/04 4:01 PM, Travis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, and they claim to speak English, but it's hardly recognizable to us in Texas! Travis On Oct 24, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Larry le Mac wrote: Sure, but England is a METRIC country and has been for a very long time... My

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2004-10-24 Thread Laurent Daudelin
Folks, I asked to drop that thread and continue it privately if you must enforce your point of view. However, even if I tried to be lenient, people still continue to post. So, the next person who post a reply to that thread will be banned temporarily to think before hitting the Send button.

Re: English: Was MAC verses Mac

2004-10-24 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 24/10/04 18:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/24/04 4:01 PM, Travis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, and they claim to speak English, but it's hardly recognizable to us in Texas! Travis On Oct 24, 2004, at 2:52 PM, Larry le Mac wrote: Sure, but

MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Bob
The following is not meant to be a criticism of any list member. It just needs to be clarified so that we all are on the same page when discussing issues. As a general rule (inside or outside computerdom) any word that is completely capitalized, is an acronym. For example: SSID = Service Set

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Tim Hodgson
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 7:46 am -0600, Bob wrote: MAC is an acronym used with wireless and Ethernet networks, and it stands for Medium Access Control (I've also heard it referred to as machine access control but I don't know if that correct or not). Er, 'Media Access Control' I think.

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Bob
The National Enquirer reports at 8:32 AM +0100 10/23/04, Tim Hodgson wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 7:46 am -0600, Bob wrote: MAC is an acronym used with wireless and Ethernet networks, and it stands for Medium Access Control (I've also heard it referred to as machine access control but I

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Larry le Mac
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A megabyte is 1 KB * 1 KB = 1024 bytes * 1024 bytes = 1,048,576 bytes. A gigabyte is 1 KB * 1 MB = 1024**3 bytes = 1,073,741,824 bytes! Sorry to have to correct you, but it's not 1 KB * 1 KB as then you'd get Byte squared, it's 1 KB * 1 K... Larry

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Marcin Wichary
MB/sec = megabytes per second. There is NO MBps! How come...? bit is an acronym for binary digit. It is *binary*, ie base 2, never decimal! IOW, the multiplier is a power of 2, not 10. 1024 not 1000. Repeat the mantra of your grade school teacher: NEVER MIX BASES. 1024 bytes per kilobyte.

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Bruce Mitchell
on 10/23/04 9:55 AM, Marcin Wichary at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going back to topic, wasn't there an idea at one point that MAC would stand for Mouse Activated Computer? (or would it be Mouse-Activated Computer? :) ) touché! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Bruce Mitchell
on 10/23/04 9:57 AM, Marcin Wichary at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I think the subject should read MAC versUs Mac. I will shut up now. A hit. A very palpable hit. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread darm0k
At 05:57 PM +0200 10/23/2004, Larry le Mac wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A megabyte is 1 KB * 1 KB = 1024 bytes * 1024 bytes = 1,048,576 bytes. A gigabyte is 1 KB * 1 MB = 1024**3 bytes = 1,073,741,824 bytes! Sorry to have to correct you, but it's not 1 KB * 1 KB as then you'd get Byte squared,

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Ben Dyer
No, actually... think about it: 4 kilometres * 4 kilometres = 16 kilometres^2. So, 4kB * 4kB = 16kB^2 (where 1 square kilobyte is equal to a million square bytes, whatever that means). Simple dimensional analysis ;) Correctly, it should read: A megabyte is 1kB * 1024. Cheers, Ben On 24 Oct

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Larry le Mac
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And 1 KB * 1 K is mixed mode math. Since the 2nd term has no object, it's considered to be base 10... 1024 * 1000 yields the wrong count. Never mix your bases. Are you aware of the difference between 1 KB and 1 kB ? Larry

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Larry le Mac
From: Ben Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, 4kB * 4kB = 16kB^2 (where 1 square kilobyte is equal to a million square bytes, whatever that means). My point precisely!! --- Correctly, it should read: A megabyte is 1kB * 1024. Er, no... 1 KB * 1024 (not 1 kB) Larry

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Ben Dyer
Actually, it's kB :-) kilo is the only standard prefix representing a positive power of 10 with a lowercase symbol. Cheers, Ben On 24 Oct 2004, at 04:34, Larry le Mac wrote: From: Ben Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, 4kB * 4kB = 16kB^2 (where 1 square kilobyte is equal to a million square bytes,

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread darm0k
At 06:55 PM +0200 10/23/2004, Marcin Wichary wrote: MB/sec = megabytes per second. There is NO MBps! How come...? I think because it's simply a bad abbreviation, too often confused because people don't pay close enough attention to the cases. Additionally, a lot of publishing software, during

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread victoria Duggan
From: Ben Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, 4kB * 4kB = 16kB^2 (where 1 square kilobyte is equal to a million square bytes, whatever that means). My point precisely!! --- Correctly, it should read: A megabyte is 1kB * 1024. Er, no... 1 KB * 1024 (not 1 kB) Larry Actually guy's is this really needed??

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Travis Martin
No, Vicki, it's not being rude at all; I've been following it with interest and have found it informative. Notice, in fact, that the subject line has been changed from your original posting so as to reflect the newly morphed thread...what is roughly meant sometimes gets confused to the point

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread darm0k
At 03:49 AM +1000 10/24/2004, Ben Dyer wrote: No, actually... think about it: 4 kilometres * 4 kilometres = 16 kilometres^2. So, 4kB * 4kB = 16kB^2 (where 1 square kilobyte is equal to a million square bytes, whatever that means). Simple dimensional analysis ;) Correctly, it should read: A

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Ben Dyer
Not at all. Think about it like this: velocity is change in displacement divided by change in time, right? That is, v = delta x/delta t Now, if d is specified in metres, and t in seconds, v must be in units of metres/seconds, or m/s. See, in any equation, final units will be specified by

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Marcin Wichary
MB/sec = megabytes per second. There is NO MBps! How come...? I think because it's simply a bad abbreviation, too often confused because people don't pay close enough attention to the cases. Additionally, a lot of publishing software, during their clean up operations, damage double

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread victoria Duggan
On Saturday, October 23, 2004, at 07:07 pm, Travis Martin wrote: No, Vicki, it's not being rude at all; I've been following it with interest and have found it informative. Notice, in fact, that the subject line has been changed from your original posting so as to reflect the newly morphed

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Marcin Wichary
I will just keep following it and be amazed at the end when everyone agree's Because that never happens. ...which is partially what makes it so interesting. :) There's a great saying... If you're stupid, surround yourself with smart people. If you're smart, surround yourself with smart people

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread darm0k
At 07:49 PM + 10/23/2004, victoria Duggan wrote: Actually guy's is this really needed?? you all know what is roughly meant ,do you have to pic fault with the way it is put to paper as you are not helping the people that need the help.! Really by picking at the way they word there emails,

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Travis Martin
No! No intention whatever to bend your ears! Please don't take offense where none was intended. If the thread doesn't interest you, I understand that. But these things take on a life of their own. I don't see any evidence at all of anyone wanting to offend, so please don't think you're being

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Travis Martin
If you were to draw a line graph depicting the spectrum of smarts with 0=totally ignorant and 100=omniscient, the range of stupid to smart among we humans would barely make a dot. Or, as Will Rogers is quoted as saying, We're all ignorant on different subjects. Travis On Oct 23, 2004, at 2:30

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Laurent Daudelin
OK, folks, I think that we had enough of those descriptions, definitions and explanations. We all know now what is the difference between 'MAC' and 'Mac'. Can we let this thread die and resume our conversation on our insanely great Apple laptops? Thanks! -Laurent. G-Books List Nanny. --

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread victoria Duggan
Ok. So we get carried away a bit. Hey, that's what makes these lists xtra interesting! Gives us something to do while we're waiting for backups to finish! :) - Dan. -- Hi this interest's me i will be taking delivery of an Emac next week and i will need to back up all the info off of my

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread K
Out Damn Spot...OUT!!! I think we have ha d a sufficient quantity of this commodity.. How about it Laurent, etal??? Regards, Mike K -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread Dennis B. Swaney
At 4:38 AM +1000 10/24/04, Ben Dyer wrote: Actually, it's kB :-) kilo is the only standard prefix representing a positive power of 10 with a lowercase symbol. Ben, when was the SI changed? I was taught that lower case denoted powers to the right of the decimal point and upper case denoted

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread CJ
. - Original Message - From: Dennis B. Swaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: MAC verses Mac At 4:38 AM +1000 10/24/04, Ben Dyer wrote: Actually, it's kB :-) kilo is the only standard prefix representing a positive

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread darm0k
At 04:48 PM -0700 10/23/2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Also, now that LaCie is selling 1 TeraByte hard drives, LaCie lied: it's not really a 1 TB HD. It's four 250 GB ATA-133 drives in the one box. They're do an internal RAID-type array by using some custom firmware (makes the box smell like

Re: MAC verses Mac

2004-10-23 Thread darm0k
At 07:42 PM -0500 10/23/2004, CJ wrote: Here is the web site for the correct units http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html so a giagbyte is a GiB, not a gb, GB. gB, or a Gb. Good info there. Thx! My understanding is that this is an interesting case of politics gone wild. Their logic is