Hi,
> Guys, aren't you forgetting something? The VP is to sign the Board report.
And not even that. All I do is ensure the report is submitted on time, no
signing is involved, and while I generally write the majority of the report
anyone can contribute or help out in doing that.
>
Hi,
> After we resolve this, I *really* would like to switch the convo around to a
> discussion as deep, and as involved, but related to the other (IMO, more
> important) side of the Incubator coin: education in the Apache Way. So much
> derives from that... even the legal considerations of
Dave Fisher wrote on Wed, 03 Jul 2019 16:06 -0700:
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 3:59 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> > Alex Harui wrote on Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:35 +:
> It really is up to the PPMC Members coming around to how a full PMC and
> RM would act in the Apache Way!
No, it isn't. Getting the
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> On Jul 3, 2019, at 3:59 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>
> Alex Harui wrote on Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:35 +:
>> Re-rolling required re-GPG-signing, new hashes, etc.
>
> Yes, I know how re-rolling works. I've RM'd things before. I still think
> in-band is better.
It
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:52 PM Greg Stein wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 4:35 PM Alex Harui wrote:
>
> > Suggestion: The DISCLAIMER references a detached copy of the DISCLAIMER
> > at dist.a.o/releases/incubator/project and that detached copy is the one
> > that gets updated with late
Alex Harui wrote on Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:35 +:
> Re-rolling required re-GPG-signing, new hashes, etc.
Yes, I know how re-rolling works. I've RM'd things before. I still think
in-band is better.
-
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 4:59 PM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is correct. Provided we *do* explicitly acknowledge that special
> > status of the Incubator.
> >
> > This acknowledgement will basically put podling source code
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> On Jul 3, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:13 PM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>
>>
>>
On Jul 3, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
1. Podlings, and PPMC members, to enjoy the legal protection of the
Hi,
> No. The other way around. What are the expectation of protections that
> a legal shield is offering to PPMC *today*.
>
> IOW, what do folks expect ASF to provide.
Given the IPMC makes the release, isn’t the question more what protection does
it give the IPMC? (And those people with
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:13 PM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> 1. Podlings, and PPMC members, to enjoy the legal protection of the
> >> foundation when they do a release
> >
> > Let's be pedantic and define those in this
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 4:35 PM Alex Harui wrote:
> Suggestion: The DISCLAIMER references a detached copy of the DISCLAIMER
> at dist.a.o/releases/incubator/project and that detached copy is the one
> that gets updated with late breaking stuff.
>
> Re-rolling required re-GPG-signing, new hashes,
Suggestion: The DISCLAIMER references a detached copy of the DISCLAIMER at
dist.a.o/releases/incubator/project and that detached copy is the one that gets
updated with late breaking stuff.
Re-rolling required re-GPG-signing, new hashes, etc.
-Alex
On 7/3/19, 2:08 PM, "Daniel Shahaf" wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote on Wed, 03 Jul 2019 16:59 -0400:
> IMO, we want 2 things:
>
> 1. Podlings, and PPMC members, to enjoy the legal protection of the
> foundation when they do a release
>
> 2. The outside world, and esp downstream end-users, to know that
> podling releases should be
David Nalley wrote on Wed, 03 Jul 2019 16:21 -0400:
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:38 PM Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:27 PM Greg Stein wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:10 AM Justin Mclean
> > > wrote:
> > > >...
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > > Although
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>
>>
>> 1. Podlings, and PPMC members, to enjoy the legal protection of the
>> foundation when they do a release
>
> Let's be pedantic and define those in this particular case, shall we?
> What exactly are the expectations for PPMC
Dave Fisher wrote on Wed, 03 Jul 2019 12:16 -0700:
> This only works for issues known before a release is cut. It does NOT
> WORK if the issue is discovered during the release vote. Why? Because we
> are trying to allow the release to go through without redoing it and
> this would require
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 1:59 PM Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is correct. Provided we *do* explicitly acknowledge that special
> > status of the Incubator.
> >
> > This acknowledgement will basically put podling source code releases
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>
>
> This is correct. Provided we *do* explicitly acknowledge that special
> status of the Incubator.
>
> This acknowledgement will basically put podling source code releases
> at the same level we have convenience binary releases. Which
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 2:38 PM Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:27 PM Greg Stein wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:10 AM Justin Mclean
> > wrote:
> > >...
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > Although not a "real" PMC, we do need to provide legal protection for
> > > each
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:32 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:29 PM Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:17 PM Dave Fisher wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:29 PM Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:17 PM Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:28 AM Dave Fisher
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:17 PM Dave Fisher wrote:
>>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:28 AM Dave Fisher wrote:
Hi -
> On Jul 1, 2019, at 1:30 AM,
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:17 PM Dave Fisher wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:28 AM Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi -
> >>
> >>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 1:30 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jun
+1.
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>
> Guys, aren't you forgetting something? The VP is to sign the Board
> report. Everything else that Justin is doing he's doing as a rank and
> file Incubator committer. If you disagree with Justin, that's one
> thing, but his being
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:16 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:28 AM Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
On Jul 1, 2019, at 1:30 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
Hi,
On Sun,
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:28 AM Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 1:30 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:39 AM Justin Mclean
>>> wrote:
...I put up
In the incubator, leadership is also very important.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:50 AM Daniel Shahaf
wrote:
> Guys, aren't you forgetting something? The VP is to sign the Board
> report. Everything else that Justin is doing he's doing as a rank and
> file Incubator committer. If you
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:28 AM Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> > On Jul 1, 2019, at 1:30 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:39 AM Justin Mclean
> > wrote:
> >> ...I put up suggested text changes for an incubator disclaimer here [1]...
> >
> >
Guys, aren't you forgetting something? The VP is to sign the Board
report. Everything else that Justin is doing he's doing as a rank and
file Incubator committer. If you disagree with Justin, that's one
thing, but his being VP is orthogonal to your disagreement.
Let me add my vote of full confidence in Justin as VP Incubator. He is
doing an excellent job.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:41 AM Roman Shaposhnik
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 4:48 AM Greg Stein wrote:
> > > > IMO, stop being pessimistic. Move forward with change to stop the
> gating,
> > >
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 4:48 AM Greg Stein wrote:
> > > IMO, stop being pessimistic. Move forward with change to stop the gating,
> > > and let podlings do their releases without all the IPMC burden.
> >
> > We want to be at “D” or “E” , we’re currently at “A” and there's a few
> > steps that
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:27 PM Greg Stein wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 12:10 AM Justin Mclean
> wrote:
> >...
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > Although not a "real" PMC, we do need to provide legal protection for
> > each PPMC and distributing releases is the time that most legal
> > considerations
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 1:07 AM Justin Mclean
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Or we *don't* provide legal protections. That *is* what the disclaimer is
> > there for.
>
> For that to happen I think the disclaimer text would need to change, I’m
> assuming you don’t think that. Even so a DISCLAIMER doesn’t
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 1:01 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> Jim said "Let's also recall that the origin genesis of the Incubator was NOT
>> to provide legal oversight, but rather education and guidance into The
>> Apache Way”
>
> If you look at the history threads I posted the other
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:28 PM Alejandro Caceres
wrote:
> ...I've been looking at a lot of resources to how
> best to submit this to Apache...
Note that http://incubator.apache.org/cookbook/ might have useful
information as well.
-Bertrand
Hi,
Of historical interest - “legal oversight” goes back to some to some the very
first email about the incubator in 2003. Here's one [1] slightly later from Jim
in 2005 who seemed to think back then legal aspects were important. Perhaps
that's out of context, and you had to be there, it’s
Hi,
> Or we *don't* provide legal protections. That *is* what the disclaimer is
> there for.
For that to happen I think the disclaimer text would need to change, I’m
assuming you don’t think that. Even so a DISCLAIMER doesn’t remove legal
obligations.
> I don't recall that advice. In fact,
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