Niclas Hedhman wrote:
I am curious (never worked in a RTC environment);
Does that mean that people turn down offers of commit rights? Does it
mean that less commit rights are offered? Does it mean that commit
rights are offered to those that do reviews even if they don't write
much code?
No
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
As I understood Owen's Intro to Hadoop talk at AC, Hadoop has
changed their methodology lately to CTR and found it to work far
better. (Duh.) -- justin
Hadoop uses RTC.
Doug
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With RTC as I've practiced it, becoming a committer doesn't so much
give a privilege as a duty: committers are expected to review and commit
patches promptly.
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gets committed regardless of whether they have a commit bit or not.
+1 With RTC as I've practiced it, becoming a committer doesn't so much give
a privilege as a duty: committers are expected to review and commit patches
promptly.
I am curious (never worked in a RTC environment);
Does that mean
On 12 Nov 2009, at 03:16, Greg Stein wrote:
Not a strong opinion, but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
about making a change and discussing it. But
Ian Boston schrieb:
not least because committed mistakes demand fixing by the committer
and then anyone who can fix the bug. The only downside is that
occasionally trunk wont build/run and if trunk is close to production
that probably matters.
I think another downside is, that (maybe
Michael Wechner wrote:
Ian Boston schrieb:
not least because committed mistakes demand fixing by the committer
and then anyone who can fix the bug. The only downside is that
occasionally trunk wont build/run and if trunk is close to production
that probably matters.
I think another
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Not a strong opinion, but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
about making a change
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Not a strong opinion, but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
about making a change
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 08:44 +0100, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
I think part of Cassandra's problem is that they do releases directly
from trunk and don't have a 'stable' et al branch.
No, this isn't (has never been) true.
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/cassandra/branches/
The
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:16 +, ant elder wrote:
so about 6 months ago to try to help with problems they were having,
and since then 99% of the commits have been made by only two people.
I assume you're referring to Jonathan Ellis and myself, and I'm not sure
that's exactly fair. There are
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 22:16 -0500, Greg Stein wrote:
Not a strong opinion, but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
about making a change and discussing
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:24 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:16 +, ant elder wrote:
so about 6 months ago to try to help with problems they were having,
and since then 99% of the
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:32, Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com wrote:
I agree with you, but tabled my protest because in practice what we have
is working, doesn't seem to be a barrier to contribution, and everyone
seems happy
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:32, Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com wrote:
...
I agree with this, and as a Cassandra committer I have in the past
protested our use of RTC. However, the current work-flow *in practice*
is more about having someone, anyone, give changes a once over (making
sure they
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:16 +, ant elder wrote:
so about 6 months ago to try to help with problems they were having,
and since then 99% of the commits have been made by only two people.
I assume you're referring to
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
So about 40% of the committed code is coming from others and reviewed
by others - great - why not make some of those others committers?
It's a long tail sort of thing.
We follow the convention Johan suggested of assigning
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:32, Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com wrote:
...
I agree with this, and as a Cassandra committer I have in the past
protested our use of RTC. However, the current work-flow *in practice*
is more
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Jonathan Ellis jbel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
So about 40% of the committed code is coming from others and reviewed
by others - great - why not make some of those others committers?
It's a long
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:36 -0500, Greg Stein wrote:
I agree with you, but tabled my protest because in practice what we
have is working, doesn't seem to be a barrier to contribution, and
everyone seems happy with it (even the casual contributors).
I wouldn't say everyone. This whole
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:55 AM, ant elder antel...@apache.org wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Jonathan Ellis jbel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
So about 40% of the committed code is coming from others and reviewed
by
Eric Evans wrote:
Sure, but the IPMC is in a position of power, and can impose it's will
upon the project (including CTR vs. RTC), right?
I have no clue whether the IPMC can impose such a decision. But I'm
very, very certain that it should not even consider trying. It's better
to ask the
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:44, Matthieu Riou matthieu.r...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:24 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 07:16 +, ant elder wrote:
so about 6 months ago
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:44, Matthieu Riou matthieu.r...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:24 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Eric Evans eev...@rackspace.com
wrote:
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Not a strong opinion, but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
about making a change
Yup. We have all had different experiences, and I certainly
acknowledge it is possible to have a successful RTC model in place.
The real problem is that there is always a success story for any
position. See? It works here. And there are *so* many factors that
go into that success, beyond the
Hi guys,
What's the take of other mentors and the IPMC on podlings practicing RTC?
I'm asking because some seem to see it as a blocker for graduation whereas I
see it much more as a development methodology with little community impact
and therefore no real influence on graduation. Strong opinions
As long as the community is not divided on the issue whether to
practice RTC vs CTR, I see no blocker for graduation.
That is: as long as RTC was not installed to mitigate problems inside
the community. If that is the case, the community may still be broken,
with the underlying issue mopped under
Matthieu Riou wrote:
Hi guys,
What's the take of other mentors and the IPMC on podlings practicing RTC?
I'm asking because some seem to see it as a blocker for graduation whereas I
see it much more as a development methodology with little community impact
and therefore no real influence on
As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and how
they use RTC.
If all the reviews are done by a single person because that is what they want,
THAT would be a problem. If the reviews are a community driven thing and the
community thinks that's the best way for
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:
As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and
how
they use RTC.
Yes, sorry for the lack of details. The context is Cassandra and they're
doing RTC by community choice. They all seem to agree that
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthieu Riou matth...@offthelip.org wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:
As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and
how they use RTC.
Yes, sorry for the lack of details. The context is
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthieu Riou matth...@offthelip.org
wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:
As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny elecha...@apache.org wrote:
Matthieu Riou wrote:
Hi guys,
What's the take of other mentors and the IPMC on podlings practicing RTC?
I'm asking because some seem to see it as a blocker for graduation whereas
I
see it much more as a
Not a strong opinion, but I think that RTC hampers the free-flow of
ideas, experimentation, evolution, and creativity. It is a damper on
expressivity. You maneuver bureaucracy to get a change in. CTR is
about making a change and discussing it. But you get *forward
progress*.
I also feel that RTC
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org wrote:
As Martijn alluded to, I think we'd need some more context as to why and how
they use RTC.
This appears to be where it came from:
http://markmail.org/message/d45dmasuwnda25wd
so about 6 months ago to try to help with
I agree with that. And before graduation I think it might be worth
trying to get CTR used more, they do seem open this -
http://markmail.org/message/i255ekzxpuesow44
...ant
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
Not a strong opinion, but I think that RTC hampers
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
I've participated in both styles of development. RTC is *stifling*. I
would never want to see that in any Apache community for its routine
development (branch releases are another matter).
My opinion is that it is very
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