Re: Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ...As discussed during the Callback proposal phase [1], the podling community wasn't too certain about the Callback name and thus after some discussion they recently voted [2] on adopting the new name Apache Cordova.

Re: Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-10 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:48 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On a related matter, how is the rename being handled for the various incubator data files, web-pages, mailing lists etc.? We're still working on that, but I suppose we'll be leaving pointers from old callback locations to new

[VOTE] Release MRUnit version 0.8.0-incubating

2012-01-10 Thread Brock Noland
This is an incubator release for Apache MRUnit, version 0.8.0-incubating. It fixes the following issues: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311292version=12316359 *** Please download, test and vote by [3 working days after sending]. Note that we are voting upon

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Dan Haywood
I'm one of the main committers on Isis. I'm +1 on Mark's ideas here, and we have several ideas to better position Isis within the JEE landscape. Related to the discussion, we're working on our next release 0.2.0 which will also improve our website and marketing. We're also kicking off having at

Re: Podling rename, vote needed?

2012-01-10 Thread sebb
On 10 January 2012 10:13, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:48 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On a related matter, how is the rename being handled for the various incubator data files, web-pages, mailing lists etc.? We're still working on that, but

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:41 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote: Should smaller incubator projects be encouraged to graduate as sub-projects of existing projects or is that not an option anymore? Specifically, I was thinking about Amber, which might just work as a sub-project of Apache Shiro if they are

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 9, 2012 10:03 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: ... And, no, the discussion has not been with the Trac community -- it was in private with a few individuals; as far as Apache is concerned, it never happened. And Oracle's

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-10 Thread sebb
On 10 January 2012 06:09, Eric Yang eric...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Chukwa 0.5.0 is ready for release.  This will be the first incubator release for Chukwa. The source tarball artifact is available at: http://people.apache.org/~eyang/chukwa-0.5.0-rc3/ Documents are available at:

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread ant elder
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: There is no fork in the current plan, so this discussion is moot anyways. There have been tons of long emails on this proposal and i haven't read them all so am a little lost on whats going on, but

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: The VOTE was based on misleading information.  The Incubator PMC should declare it void and request a new proposal.  The existing Bloodhound podling should be placed on hold until this is sorted out. What is the status

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ODF Toolkit 0.5-incubating(RC7)

2012-01-10 Thread Nick Burch
On Mon, 9 Jan 2012, Devin Han wrote: The vote is open for 72 hours, or until we get the needed number of votes (3 +1). Looks good to me, I'm +1 to the release (IPMC binding) Nick - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Jan 10, 2012 9:30 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: There is no fork in the current plan, so this discussion is moot anyways. There have been tons of long emails on this proposal and i haven't read them all

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ...Ignore the proposal. It is out of date, since the podling has already started. The Bloodhound and Trac communities already have a new non-fork plan and are executing on that now, on the bloodhound-dev mailing list For

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ...Ignore the proposal. It is out of date, since the podling has already started. The Bloodhound and Trac communities already have a new

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:20, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: ...Ignore the proposal. It is out of date, since the podling has

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ODF Toolkit 0.5-incubating(RC7)

2012-01-10 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi All, +1 from me too (binding): Sigs verified: [mattmann@snow odftoolkit-0.5-incubating-rc7]$ curl -O http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/odftoolkit/KEYS % Total% Received % Xferd Average Speed TimeTime Time Current Dload Upload Total

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/10/2012 6:40 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Greg Stein wrote: There is no fork in the current plan, so this discussion is moot anyways. I believe the point was to settle the issue so that we don't have to deal with this situation again. Roy That was the

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:49 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: It is not helpful to have a number of directors contradicting each other on general@, never coming to consensus.  In fact, its maddening. I'm actually not seeing much in the way of contradiction in discussion of

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/10/2012 2:20 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: I'm actually not seeing much in the way of contradiction in discussion of the policy. The letter seems to be: Apache projects don't import and incorporate code without the owners' consent. License to use is not synonymous with consent to

Re: [CANCEL] [VOTE] Recommend graduating Apache Bean-Validation (BVAL) as a TLP

2012-01-10 Thread Mark Struberg
Folks, a big sorry, but I think we hit a road blocker because we need to rethink our project name. Bean Validation is just not ok as the spec is already named that way. The projects PMC will find another name and check it with trademark. Thanks again to sebb, jukka and all others for their

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread ant elder
I like the idea of mentors being expected to signoff on the wiki just to show that they are paying attention, but i also agree that it might be useful to have along with the poddling reports to have comments from the mentors. So how about doing both? Just extend the mentor signoff section to

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: It is not helpful to have a number of directors contradicting each other on general@, never coming to consensus.  In fact, its maddening. I see no indication of this escalating into a board issue, so I don't

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Joe Schaefer
I don't know about you, but in the podlings I mentor I am subscribed to most if not all of the mailing lists and try to read the bulk of it all.  I could easily write status reports for them if it was my responsibility to do so, and for the initial 6 months would prefer that mentors showed their

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Marcel Offermans
Whilst I agree there is value in demonstrating a starting podling what a good report should look like by doing it for them, I also strongly believe in learning by doing, so I would still propose that a podling has a go at it themselves, before having a mentor step in. In the end, this is also a

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: It is not helpful to have a number of directors contradicting each other on general@, never coming to consensus.  In fact, its

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/10/2012 4:04 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Greg both acquiesced in picking another plan while at the same time he did not retreat from the position that there is no set Foundation policy here. Roy takes a strong and continuing line that there is one. So I personally wish that the board

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Joe Schaefer
The thing is there is no way to tell whether or not a mentor is even CAPABLE of writing a status report for a podling if the podling is immediately tasked with doing so themselves.  We are in the boat we are in now because we have for too long assumed any member who offered to mentor a podling was

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/10/2012 3:50 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: The IPMC is perfectly capable (in its own sometimes messy way) to deal with this issue. In fact the board has explicitly delegated the responsibility of acceptance and oversight of new products submitted or proposed to become part of the Foundation

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Marcel Offermans
I see your point. I still think that if you read a bad report it does not matter who wrote it, in the end you can still blame the mentors because it's their responsibility. Who wrote it is not that relevant to me. On Jan 10, 2012, at 23:10 , Joe Schaefer wrote: The thing is there is no way to

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Joe Schaefer
It's not about blame, it's about tangible, recorded demonstrations of oversight.  As I said elsewhere we place no conditions on mentors when they sign up to mentor a podling, and I think that is part of the problem we face here.  A podling will be able to report about a poor report from a mentor

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Ralph Goers
I'm not worried about a mentor that can't write a decent report. I want a podling that can write a decent report. I'm much more worried when the mentor can't prod the podling to write a report, and doesn't review it or sign it when they do. If the podling submits a poor report that is

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Joe Schaefer
Let's stop discussing this issue in the abstract then and take a look at the current set of reports.  Of the ones with signatures of mentors, I see very little to gripe about- the topics and subjects are mostly relevant to the podling's progress towards graduation. Now lets look at the

Re: [VOTE] Release MRUnit version 0.8.0-incubating

2012-01-10 Thread sebb
On 9 January 2012 23:52, Brock Noland br...@cloudera.com wrote: This is an incubator release for Apache MRUnit, version 0.8.0-incubating. It fixes the following issues: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311292version=12316359 *** Please download, test and

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Joe Schaefer
UNSIGNED JANUARY REPORTS: Bloodhound Callback Celix Chukwa Deft HISE JSPWiki Kato Kitty Mesos Openmeetings Tashi VXQuery - Original Message - From: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [VOTE] Release MRUnit version 0.8.0-incubating

2012-01-10 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Sebb, There have indeed been some changes. This is something that IMHO can be updated on the next release. I've filed a JIRA issue to track it. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MRUNIT-52 And will fix it. Cheers, Chris On Jan 10, 2012, at 6:06 PM, sebb wrote: On 9 January 2012

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Niclas Hedhman
I like Joe's suggestion of having Mentors writing a report. But I would like the PPMC get some experience as well, since once they graduate they are tossed into the fire of producing real board reports on their own. Possible extension of Joe's suggestion; The PPMC produce the Board report as if

Re: On Etch status

2012-01-10 Thread Niclas Hedhman
+1 to graduate. This is a project in a fierce space as Martijn noted, and I think incubating is hampering its attractiveness. It will become a swim or sink challenge as TLP, but doubt the forecast is any better of staying here. On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 7:39 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 22:59, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: ... This sounds more and more like an example of Fascination of the Apache brand, as a lever for commercial interest. I agree with Roy that this is bad taste, and I wish WANdisco simply makes a commercial derivative, OR

Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings

2012-01-10 Thread Marcel Offermans
On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:10 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: UNSIGNED JANUARY REPORTS: Celix Celix is late reporting this month because of holidays. A report is being worked on, written by the PPMC and actively monitored by me. You can expect it later today. Greetings, Marcel