case that has been proven not happening in our world.
Especially since we were the first (and not even with ruby-ng, the
syntax has been the same for years, starting with ruby16).
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And the Ruby syntax has been devised to suit the _installed commands_
for the most part: ruby18 and ruby19 are _the commands you run_.
We're not going to change it just because. So stop trying to use us as
an example.
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because.
So, once again, please leave us alone.
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. There are a lot of package names not matching a command name
and it's not a problem either.
It is a problem if that means having to change hundres of packages,
three eclasses, and every developer's configuration.
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to build.
We have INSTALL_MASK and FEATURES=nodoc if you don't want the
documentation, after all.
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This one I'll take care of (I'm already in metadata).
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a scenario that you find yourself into often .. you
should consider changing habits.. drastically.
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USE=-minimal to
USE=-server means that _you're losing your server_.
Robin, how would you feel about that? It would also solve the issue of
USE=cxx depending on USE=!minimal right now (for not really any good
reason).
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sure it's blank, because people point them at their groin and shoot.
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are a pain for maintainers and users alike.
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sysadmin that thinks he can run Gentoo in production and can't even see
what the updates are. So please drop it.
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crashing, and requiring manual
intervention to get rid of the new libraries and downgrade?
Of course it's not my call, but my suggestion is forget about split
packages.
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can repeat it 20 times
and waste our time 20 times, or you can get the clue, and see if someone
else agrees with your or not.
The only thing that bothers me right now is that I'm not allowed to just
plonkfile you, but I'm very tempted to.
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it would be a revision bump — and that should still
give us time enough for this to hit before LibreOffice.
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on this it would benefit everyone.
Or maybe we can just agree that common sense rules all, and we always
set the proxied maintainer as assignee, and the proxy maintainer as CC..
because, you know, that's the only way a proxy maintainer can
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is not developer - this would never confuse
scripts for automated bug filing
Yes if you notice I usually go around changing the order if I find the
order not matching the instruction, as the output of Portage, and thus
my script, use the first as assignee and the rest as CC.
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it ;)
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
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# Tomáš Chvátal scarabeus@ (04 Nov 2012)
# Masked for testing with gcc-4.7 and to verify reverse deps
dev-libs/icu-49.9.1
I
are using, right?
I wouldn't say we have any problem with that. Fabio already got Sabayon
to support the shim. The only problem is that we'd have to provide a
shim binary that _is_ signed, rather than building it from source, but I
don't see it as a mayor problem myself.
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, this looks like it's
going to be a world full of pain. Again I don't think we have to go there.
Also the title of the threads is now completely misleading so let's stop
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On 12/12/2012 19:07, Theo Chatzimichos wrote:
It would be preferred to move that package in tree though.
I don't like it. Please use an overlay to test this kind of stuff, thanks.
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uses default cflags?
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there.
Although I'm more for /var/cache/portage myself, as both distfiles and
tree can be re-generated.
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On 17/12/2012 11:33, Sven Eden wrote:
on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS use -
march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
That's -ggdb that increases the size.
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to make USE=debug provide debug information rather
than debug codepaths.
Also the culprit is again -ggdb rather than -g.
Which makes now interesting for somebody to test what webkit-gtk
requires, memory-wise, with just -g rather than -ggdb.
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would still think they are cache. I can re-download Oracle's JRE
binaries; Portage's copy is a cache because I don't need to back it up.
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it to the user.
And yes I also agree that -ggdb makes more sense.
I'll write something about it later on I guess.
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On 17/12/2012 13:42, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
If we change the location, can we then move distfiles to some place
outside of the tree? Something like:
/var/cache/portage
/var/cache/distfiles
What I do on my systems is
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upstreams doesn't
distribute them anymore at all.
In which case you should keep them somewhere safer anyway, which is what
I do for that kind of files.
Remember that eclean acts on distfiles as well.
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into the rootfs for the laptops.
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the syncing/handling is done is a nightmare.
If we conflate the issue, we can stop discussing as we're never ever
going to go anywhere.
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leave it at that.
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Any other suggestions on where to place it? And please don't say
/var/lib because that would usually be backed up.
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just like NIH, seriously.
Somebody already proposed /var/db — that probably makes more sense if
you want to go that route, although I wouldn't put distfiles or packages
there.
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No /var/gentoo. No /var/repositories.
/var/db/gentoo, /var/db/repositories, /var/cache/portage ... as long as Zac
is fine with one whatever, but let's not invent any new top-level.
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properly instead of how it looks cooler.
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On 19/12/2012 14:03, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov wrote:
But, anyway, I think, /var/repositories/gentoo is very very nice idea ;)
I'm going to repeat myself until this is shot down entirely.
We're not going to create a new top-level directory in /var. Get over
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allocation requirements for the tree compared to
distfiles, and I guess that if we put the tree there we could gain
something even for /var/db/pkg by splitting it.
Tree hierarchies are there to make things more easily organized, not
just to look nice.
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a single rsync source and tar it up from there.
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On 19/12/2012 16:54, Brian Dolbec wrote:
And YES Diego, it won't be /var/portage or /var/repositories, we heard
you.
Thanks, it's appreciated :)
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On 20/12/2012 17:16, Michael Mol wrote:
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
/var/cache/portage/repositories/gentoo
/var/cache/portage/repositories/{sunrise,kde,gnome,whatever,layman,grabs}
/var/db/portage/repositories/{non-cache,repo,names,go,here}
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in say /var/lib/licenses
or similar?
Why not in their own /var/db/pkg then? And +1 on this, it's something I
was wondering myself some time ago.
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this
usually ends up being quite simple.
I get to speak about that as somebody who retired, and was then
re-instated. Going through the cycles was less bothersome than just
growing the motivation to get back to Gentoo, so I can't see the point.
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documentation on where to find the upstream documentation?
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On 24/12/2012 10:08, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
/var/cache/packages/ PKGDIR
Maybe /var/spool/binpkgs ?
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On 24/12/2012 14:32, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
This doesn't look right to me. /var/spool contains things like printer
queues or outgoing mail that are typically deleted after processing.
Not sure how /var/cache fits for binpkgs though, tbh.
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not get on with /srv right now please.
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On 24/12/2012 20:08, Mike Frysinger wrote:
i.e. saying we should get rid of gen_usr_ldscript and use --libdir=/lib
makes absolutely no sense. it's just begging for people to screw things up
constantly and waste developer time for 0 gain.
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with the new API.
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On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Brian Dolbec dol
On 30/12/2012 04:03, Mike Gilbert wrote:
That would be much more effective than a policy that may be
(accidentally) ignored.
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need to know to start it up anyway, so it should be fine with
a default-off.
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. It's not patent-encumbered being the
keyword, but the license incompatibility.
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On 31/12/2012 15:17, Ben de Groot wrote:
Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for
this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it
forward and improved it this past year?
Have we?
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It doesn't — I guess gdm should have used [consolekit?,systemd(-)?].
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Hi all
Just bumped into something I haven't encountered before. Running
On 31/12/2012 17:22, Roy Bamford wrote:
I'm older and more cynical than most on this list. In my mind,
improvement means change but change is not always improvement.
Thank you.
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On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov m...@mva.namewrote:
Hi there!
Long time ago I discovered that many language
the glibc-2.17 one.)
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Rails into account, as
right now it doesn't. I know because it was trying to get an ebuild for
Typo that I came to install my own blog (instead of using Gentoo Infra's
b2evo) and thus create the monstrosity that you all know nowadays.
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Go for a. The widest and more consistent the testing, the better.
Otherwise the day after tomorrow you'll get a bug from me that with
$foo installed, $bar fails tests.
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On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Michał Górny
that you want to add the
dependency _after_ the package has been keyworded by half the arches
out there.
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On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 1:50 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
I agree with a.
A problem with b
I just gave a quick look at the init scripts installed on the tinderbox,
and the amount of them that use mkdir to create the directories in /run
and similar is astounding.
Please check `man runscript` and use the checkpath helper instead.
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side — why not having it
generate a per-package serial number instead? That could probably make
more sense for everything...
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output from the same exact system?
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On 09/01/2013 12:39, justin wrote:
I assume it is a portage problem, because the log says autoconf is run
but configure.in didn't change.
What do you mean configure.in didn't change but autoconf is run?
Does it cause a maintainer-mode rebuild?
Did you use eautoreconf?
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to end up discussing back-and-forth about the Git
migration, especially when half the people posting have no idea of
what's going on, are not involved in the migration, or expect said
migration to solve all the issues of the world, poverty included.
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that I have pointed out wy too
many times that is unreliable.
If mtime(configure) mtime(configure.in) autoconf can bail out unless
it's executed with --force (which I don't think it is).
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still refer to
/var/run in most places _but_ we use checkpath for it.
If /var/run symlink was killed, we'd end up with a ton of services
creating a (now permanent) /var/run directory structure, with even more
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think that's going to be a problem for running systems though:
the symlink will never be entirely empty.
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Yes.
I don't want systemd and I don't want eudev. And I'm not alone I'm sure.
On 15/01/2013 20:05, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
sys-libs/freeipmi-1.2.3-r1
+0.5
I'd really prefer to see 1.2.2 or 1.2.3 stable first, given the history
with FreeIPMI, I don't aim for too many stable candidates...
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the two, so if it's not ready
for one, it can't be ready for the other.
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tested. I just
refuted the statement of the tree not being ready for libav putting on
record that there is no indication that ffmpeg's situation is much
different, as it is not currently being tested by me (and nobody else is
doing the testing, so there).
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on.
Please don't. Right now we have only one category which is not foo-bar
and that's virtual... I'm pretty sure it's going to break some
assumption to change that...
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and most of the times I'm the one catching issues .. I do that for
free, which also means you don't get to tell me what to do any more than
I get to tell you what to do.
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? Especially if you don't want qwt
to join there, I assume we're way below 50? If so I would vote nay to
any new category at all, to be honest.
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On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
To be clear I'm not in a position to offer, and I definitely respect and
value your volunteer work, but suppose someone /was/ sufficiently
interested in something like ffmpeg to be willing to pay for a tinderbox
run on it.
, I mostly just pour in the time.
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On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
The thing is you would practically never have to do this. Users
install apps that have a number of qt modules as dependencies. These
qt modules in turn cannot be updated individually (unless there is an
ebuild revision
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
Maybe x11-qt, or dev-qt, or just qt, or qt-qt if we must have a hyphen
for its own sake and we're just making senseless stuff up. qt-core
just doesn't make sense if it applies to more than just qt-core.
I actually love
defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0
none/dev/shmtmpfs defaults
0 0
Are either or both involved ? -- if so, what to do ?
None are involved. The second column would read /dev if it was involved.
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the same is true of /sys and /proc.
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work better with HPSA.
It's the same RAID bus controller there.
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NOT to re-create the links to the highest library
by default for .so files, but I wouldn't bet on it as I've seen other
things causing ldconfig to run and overwrite them outside Portage.
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.:
CONFIG_EXT4_FS_XATTR=y
CONFIG_TMPFS_XATTR=y
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, relating to
users instead and using PAM — but I never got to get it working :(
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for a
more precise PAM configuration in Gentoo, but no dice there.
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that it mention file-caps
as well?
Most likely a good idea.
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to pretend that the problem does not exist, that an unmaintained
package is just as fine as a maintained one is stupid and shortsighted,
and explains why I have 1600 bugs open...
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; last activity by someone else in 2008!), I don't see why it should
be kept in tree.
Bloody hell, I wonder how many people complaining about removing
packages are actually using said packages, rather that complaining on
principles!
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, you can step in and save the package. As Alec said
Gentoo is not a software archival service. so arguing on the principle
that we should never delete any package from our tree is simply
preposterous.
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assuming that all of QA is out to ruin your life, which seems to happen
pretty often to you.
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both? The following guide only
mentions /var/run
We should be migrating to /run at this point.
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