Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer-1.0_rc2_p28058-r1 & USE dvdnav

2008-12-21 Thread Stroller
On 22 Dec 2008, at 05:36, Willie Wong wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:52:54AM +, Penguin Lover Stroller squawked: On 20 Dec 2008, at 04:34, Arttu V. wrote: On 12/20/08, Willie Wong wrote: I think you can try use unmasking the flag: add a line to /etc/portage/package.use.mask It's

Re: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread »Q«
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:42:52 -0500 Willie Wong wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:39:30PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:05:58PM -0600, Penguin Lover Steven > Susbauer squawked: > > Some mail readers convert *asterisks* as bold statements. I believe > > it is t

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Willie Wong wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:39:30PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: > >> Well, just do this. *list netiquette* If I recall correctly, if the >> person is set up to get html, that will be in bold. If it is text only >> then they just see the *'s. I have noticed in the

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Bold, italics, underscore convention (Was: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.)

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Willie Wong wrote: > Starting a new thread because this is getting way off topic (both > re: gentoo or re: the topic under discussion in the other thread) > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:25:12PM -0600, Penguin Lover ??Q?? squawked: > >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:05:58 -0600 >> Steven Susbauer wrote

[gentoo-user] [OT] Bold, italics, underscore convention (Was: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.)

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
Starting a new thread because this is getting way off topic (both re: gentoo or re: the topic under discussion in the other thread) On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:25:12PM -0600, Penguin Lover ??Q?? squawked: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:05:58 -0600 > Steven Susbauer wrote: > > > Some mail readers conver

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:39:30PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: > Well, just do this. *list netiquette* If I recall correctly, if the > person is set up to get html, that will be in bold. If it is text only > then they just see the *'s. I have noticed in the past that mine has > done thi

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer-1.0_rc2_p28058-r1 & USE dvdnav

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:52:54AM +, Penguin Lover Stroller squawked: > > On 20 Dec 2008, at 04:34, Arttu V. wrote: > >> On 12/20/08, Willie Wong wrote: >>> I think you can try use unmasking the flag: >>> add a line to /etc/portage/package.use.mask >> >> It's profiles related stuff, so I thin

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:03:36PM +0800, Penguin Lover Mark David Dumlao squawked: > Pompous ass? Personal Vendetta? Pissed off? What world is this? > > One bug report is just an announcement that there is a problem. It > might seem to you that people get on a high horse when they say that, > bu

Re: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread »Q«
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:05:58 -0600 Steven Susbauer wrote: > Some mail readers convert *asterisks* as bold statements. I believe it > is the generally accepted way to make a section stand out when dealing > with plain text. Yes. The other two kinds of conventional pseudo-markup are /slashes/ for

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Steven Susbauer
Willie Wong wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 09:16:05PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: >> This is my two cents. Since when someone comes here and posts a html >> message they get told not to use html anyway, why not let them know >> beforehand that html is not the "norm" on this list? I don'

Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer-1.0_rc2_p28058-r1 & USE dvdnav

2008-12-21 Thread Stroller
On 20 Dec 2008, at 04:34, Arttu V. wrote: On 12/20/08, Willie Wong wrote: I think you can try use unmasking the flag: add a line to /etc/portage/package.use.mask It's profiles related stuff, so I think /etc/portage/profiles/package.use.mask will be the right place. At least if one trusts po

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Willie Wong wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 09:16:05PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: > >> This is my two cents. Since when someone comes here and posts a html >> message they get told not to use html anyway, why not let them know >> beforehand that html is not the "norm" on this list? I

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 09:16:05PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: > This is my two cents. Since when someone comes here and posts a html > message they get told not to use html anyway, why not let them know > beforehand that html is not the "norm" on this list? I don't think it > would hurt

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Willie Wong wrote: > So don't be such a pompous ass. We didn't ignore you because we don't > like you. There's never a policy by the gentoo-user mailing list to > automatically, collectively ignore all e-mails sent in HTML. We are > not that well organized. And we

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread John J. Foster
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 09:32:26AM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > I think you're missing the point. I never asked the community to > change its rules. I'm only saying that these particular rules were > invisible, and there's no way to find out about it, and that's going > to be a problem for any

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Eric Martin wrote: > >> I've seen plenty of emails going around requesting people not top-post >> and not to post via html. I don't think it's as big of a problem as >> this thread makes it out to be. While I'm sure some people do ig

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Mark David Dumlao wrote: > But it is a problem that must be addressed. It doesn't help to boil > the situation into an inaccurate but amusing caricature of the > problem. That's how the many bad interfaces get developed. > > The problem is solved for my case. I'm not going to be using html > mails.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:20:25AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos Chantziaras squawked: > I'm not using -meta packages. Many packages they pulled in was stuff I > don't wanted (like PIM). I emerged KDE packages one-by-one and went with > what got pulled in as dependencies. Uh.. then what exactly

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Willie Wong wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:18:27AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos >> Chantziaras squawked: >>> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in

[gentoo-user] Re: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.

2008-12-21 Thread »Q«
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:05:36 +0800 "Mark David Dumlao" wrote: > Wow. I didn't expect user...@gentoo.org bugs to be private. They're private by default because userrel sometimes has to handle issues in which tempers are flaring and having a public bug on display could make things worse. This bug

[gentoo-user] GNOME users? Anyone? (Was: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was something else long altogether))

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:45:50AM +0200, Penguin Lover Arttu V. squawked: > So, I have another theory, related to the cry "Gentoo is dying! > ${HERD} is down to one dev only!", i.e, low manpower. My guess is that > Gentoo (or at least this gentoo-user list) is low on Gnome-proficient > commenters.

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 09:53:07AM +0800, Penguin Lover Mark David Dumlao squawked: > As I said there aren't even any terms to search for when you're > getting ignored. If I had known that the problem was html mails from > the start, then i would have already corrected the issue before > searching

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Arttu V.
On 12/22/08, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > The bug report is not about the clarity of an already-late reminder. > The problem is that it was late for me, it will be late for a few > hundred other posters after me, and it will be late for a few hundred > posters after them unless something is done abo

RE: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.

2008-12-21 Thread Adam Carter
(tongue heading swiftly in the direction of cheek) Ring ring. Ring ring. "Hello, Gentoo user list speaking" "Oh hi. It's the 1990s calling. We want our plain text email back" "No"

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Willie Wong wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:18:27AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos Chantziaras squawked: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If they get unmerge, things will b

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Eric Martin wrote: > I don't know if he could have made that any clearer. That being said, > I'm done contributing to spam on the list. Please bottom post and post > in a text only format. For many people (myself included) this is the > first mailing list they j

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:18:27AM +0200, Penguin Lover Nikos Chantziaras squawked: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> kde-base/kate >> kde-base/kdebase-startkde >> kde-base/ksmserver >> These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If they >> get unmerge, things will break.

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Eric Martin
Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Eric Martin wrote: > >> I've seen plenty of emails going around requesting people not top-post >> and not to post via html. I don't think it's as big of a problem as >> this thread makes it out to be. While I'm sure some people do ig

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 14:35:13 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:53:05 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kdeprefix has nothing to do with KDE3. It's not needed. It's only needed to have many KDE4 versions at the same time. That'

Re: [gentoo-user] Print to cups printer from Windows - any good instructions?

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 03:02:36PM -0800, Penguin Lover Mark Knecht squawked: > I hope the question is at least reasonable as the data format at each > point in the network is really unclear to me. Maybe there's a good > site to read about this? If you want all the nitty-gritty details, I guess

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Eric Martin wrote: > this isn't some big secret, you just don't read all of the threads. > There are 5,120 results for html+email when searching the gmane archives > of gentoo-user. The link below is the search I used, sorted by date > (descending). As I said the

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Eric Martin wrote: > I've seen plenty of emails going around requesting people not top-post > and not to post via html. I don't think it's as big of a problem as > this thread makes it out to be. While I'm sure some people do ignore > posts that fall into those c

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Eric Martin
Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Eric Martin wrote: > >> b) just because you don't read all of the threads on this list doesn't >> mean you're exempt from them. There are plenty times that somebody asks >> a question and the answer is, "search the archives for XYZ, w

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Eric Martin
Mark David Dumlao wrote: > But it is a problem that must be addressed. It doesn't help to boil > the situation into an inaccurate but amusing caricature of the > problem. That's how the many bad interfaces get developed. > > The problem is solved for my case. I'm not going to be using html > mails.

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Eric Martin wrote: > b) just because you don't read all of the threads on this list doesn't > mean you're exempt from them. There are plenty times that somebody asks > a question and the answer is, "search the archives for XYZ, we already > covered this, and pleas

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
But it is a problem that must be addressed. It doesn't help to boil the situation into an inaccurate but amusing caricature of the problem. That's how the many bad interfaces get developed. The problem is solved for my case. I'm not going to be using html mails. But ignoring the problem isn't goin

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Eric Martin
Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > >> Am I the only one here that sees this is a stupid and completely irrelevant >> thread? HTML mail is like farting when you meet the Queen - you just don't do >> it. There isn't a rule about it, it's not an e

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 03:01:07 fe...@crowfix.com wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:01:59AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > What's the rationale behind that? I can see why someone might want two or > > more versions of php, python, perl or mysql. > > > > But postgresql? I can't imagine why it

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 03:06:07 Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Am I the only one here that sees this is a stupid and completely > > irrelevant thread? HTML mail is like farting when you meet the Queen - > > you just don't do it. There isn'

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:13:01 +, Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: >> >> >>> [blocks B ] >> sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2) >>> >> You need to upgrade to a more recent version of util-linux, at least >> 2

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Am I the only one here that sees this is a stupid and completely irrelevant > thread? HTML mail is like farting when you meet the Queen - you just don't do > it. There isn't a rule about it, it's not an exam question and there never > was a f

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread felix
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 02:01:59AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > What's the rationale behind that? I can see why someone might want two or > more > versions of php, python, perl or mysql. > > But postgresql? I can't imagine why it would be useful to the majority to > have > SLOTs for postgres

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-21 Thread Jean-Marc Paulin
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:13:01 +, Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: > >> [blocks B ] > sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2) > > You need to upgrade to a more recent version of util-linux, at least > 2.13, which shouldn't be a problem as 2.14.1 is stable.

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.

2008-12-21 Thread Allan Gottlieb
At Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:40:15 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Monday 22 December 2008 02:28:26 Allan Gottlieb wrote: >> I think that is a little harsh.  I dislike html mail, never send it, >> and know perfectly well that this group is for text, bottom-posted mail. > > It's not intended to be hars

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 02:28:26 Allan Gottlieb wrote: > I think that is a little harsh.  I dislike html mail, never send it, > and know perfectly well that this group is for text, bottom-posted mail. It's not intended to be harsh, it's intended to make some folk sit back, take a deep breath,

Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-21 Thread Daniel Troeder
Am Sonntag, den 21.12.2008, 15:04 +0100 schrieb damian: > When I suspend to ram my laptop I've noticed the usb ports still yield > energy (the light of my external hard drive stays on) and also the led > of the wired network device is on. Is this supposed to happen? I think > it should be a problem

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug.

2008-12-21 Thread Allan Gottlieb
At Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:58:30 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Rightee-o boys and girls, this is the point where the pretty girl from candid > camera reveals that you are all suckers and points to the hidden camera > behind the mirror: > > Am I the only one here that sees this is a stupid and compl

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: kde-base/kate kde-base/kdebase-startkde kde-base/ksmserver These were dependencies and therefore were not in my world file. If they get unmerge, things will break. KDevelop will break without Kate, and KDE 3.5 itself will break without the other two. :P OK, n

[gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:34:39 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Another problem, this time not technical. I just don't want many of those packages in my world file. I want to use depclean and have those packages removed when the package that depends on them is also removed.

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 00:07:01 Graham Murray wrote: > Alan McKinnon writes: > > postgresql-server is not something new, it's a new way of packaging an > > existing product. It's like the monolithic/split KDE ebuilds, the new > > split postgresql packages make the dev's life easier, and make i

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 22 December 2008 01:35:41 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:31 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > That was one of the coldest, most invisible, and hardest to > > troubleshoot communication errors I've ever seen. I don't even know > > where to begin. It's like being in a fo

Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 2008 profile: I cannot upgrade baselayout....

2008-12-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:13:01 +, Jean-Marc Paulin wrote: > [blocks B ] sys-apps/coreutils-6.10-r2) You need to upgrade to a more recent version of util-linux, at least 2.13, which shouldn't be a problem as 2.14.1 is stable. emerge --oneshot util-linux -- Neil Bothwick I am in total c

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:31 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > That was one of the coldest, most invisible, and hardest to > troubleshoot communication errors I've ever seen. I don't even know > where to begin. It's like being in a foreign country and being told, > years later, that wearing shoes

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:34:39 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Another problem, this time not technical. I just don't want many of > those packages in my world file. I want to use depclean and have those > packages removed when the package that depends on them is also removed. > The depclea

Re: [gentoo-user] Print to cups printer from Windows - any good instructions?

2008-12-21 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Willie Wong wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:57:43AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >>Again, I don't imagine ANY of what we're talking about here will >> work for a Windows machine printing to a Linux cups server if a Linux >> machine on the same network cannot p

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > emm - they are silently ignored by the people, not the system - and usually > someone complains about them - it was just bad luck in your part. It is in this particular case where the people _are_ the system. It just so happens that th

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann > > wrote: > > On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > >> User Relations bug 251931 > >> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251931 > > > > Access Denied > > You are no

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Graham Murray
Alan McKinnon writes: > postgresql-server is not something new, it's a new way of packaging an > existing product. It's like the monolithic/split KDE ebuilds, the new split > postgresql packages make the dev's life easier, and make it possible for you > to make more modular choices about what

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:21 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> User Relations bug 251931 >> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251931 > > Access Denied > You are not authorized to access bug #251931. > Please press Back and try again.

Re: [gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 23:45:33 Hilco Wijbenga wrote: > I want to install PostgreSQL but I'm wondering which package to use. > The obvious choice (dev-db/postgresql) installs 8.2.7 but > dev-db/postgresql-server installs 8.3.5. (I see they even use the same > tarball.) Is postgresql-server is t

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
I'll let others deal with your other questions, because they require some thought and I am not sure if I remember enough of the re-install process to deal with it. But, a few comments that I hope may be helpful: On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 04:41:15PM -0500, Jeff Cranmer wrote: > (4) After editing the

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:44:37 pm Justin wrote: > >> Jeff Cranmer schrieb: >> >>> On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: >>> Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 22:42:15 Jeff Cranmer wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: > > Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > > > I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept > > > keywords > > > > reinstall and never change this variable. Stick to the many guides

[gentoo-user] PostgreSQL: dev-db/postgresql, dev-db/postgresql-server, or virtual/postgresql-server?

2008-12-21 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
I want to install PostgreSQL but I'm wondering which package to use. The obvious choice (dev-db/postgresql) installs 8.2.7 but dev-db/postgresql-server installs 8.3.5. (I see they even use the same tarball.) Is postgresql-server is the proper way going forward? What about virtual/postgresql-server

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:44:37 pm Justin wrote: > Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > > On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: > >> Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > >>> I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept > >>> keywords > >> > >> reinstall and never change this variable.

Re: [gentoo-user] Print to cups printer from Windows - any good instructions?

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:57:43AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >Again, I don't imagine ANY of what we're talking about here will > work for a Windows machine printing to a Linux cups server if a Linux > machine on the same network cannot print to that server. Technically not true. I had a Lex

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > User Relations bug 251931 > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251931 Access Denied You are not authorized to access bug #251931. Please press Back and try again.

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: > Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > > I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept > > keywords > > reinstall and never change this variable. Stick to the many guides out > there. Your system is broken and fixing takes the same effort

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:28:09 pm Justin wrote: > >> Jeff Cranmer schrieb: >> >>> I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept >>> keywords >>> >> reinstall and never change this variable. Stick to the many guides out >> there. Your s

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > I'm afraid you'll need to be a little more specific on the accept keywords > > reinstall and never change this variable. Stick to the many guides out there. Your system is broken and fixing takes the same effort than reinstalling. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 03:15:41 pm Justin wrote: > Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > First avoid top posting > > > OK - accepting that my system is broken, I've tried emerge -eav system, > > and it is failing due to several errors. Other than reformatting the > > hard drive, how do I reinstall everythin

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
To clarify, when I try to run emerge -eav system, the first package which fails is sandbox. It advises me to try FEATURES=-sandbox emerge sandbox in response to the cannot run C compiled programs, but I still get the same error. My research on the web points me back towards gcc not being compi

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: First avoid top posting > OK - accepting that my system is broken, I've tried emerge -eav system, and > it > is failing due to several errors. Other than reformatting the hard drive, > how do I reinstall everything? > boot livecd, mount the disc as described in the offi

Re: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
»Q« wrote: > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:31 +0800 > "Mark David Dumlao" wrote: > > >> I am currently searching my subscription info, the gentoo site, or the >> mailing list welcome for any hints that html messages are rude or >> unwanted. I am having some difficulty finding it, that alone is a >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
User Relations bug 251931 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251931

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Dale
Joerg Schilling wrote: > Dale wrote: > > >> Thing is, what is on the CD works for me. I been using cp for a long >> time and unless it stops working, I don't plan to switch. My current >> > > Didn't you complain about gcp? > Nope. I didn't complain about. Never heard of until this

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
OK - accepting that my system is broken, I've tried emerge -eav system, and it is failing due to several errors. Other than reformatting the hard drive, how do I reinstall everything? Where do I change the accept keywords variable? It isn't in my make.conf, and if I put an accept keywords lin

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 02:35:56 pm Justin wrote: > >>> However, did you notice that the parent poster mentioned glib and you >>> have attempted to downgrade glibc? >>> >> My fault missed the c. >> @Jeff >> Please provide a emerge --info so that we can comment o

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 02:35:56 pm Justin wrote: > > However, did you notice that the parent poster mentioned glib and you > > have attempted to downgrade glibc? > > My fault missed the c. > @Jeff > Please provide a emerge --info so that we can comment on it. Perhaps > this will protect you fro

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
> > > > > > Perhaps you should go back to a lower glib version. Latest versions of > > > such important packages might always have issues. > > > > What is the approved way to do this? > > There is no approved way to downgrade glibc. The output message from the > error you posted tells you why the

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
> > However, did you notice that the parent poster mentioned glib and you have > attempted to downgrade glibc? > > > My fault missed the c. @Jeff Please provide a emerge --info so that we can comment on it. Perhaps this will protect you from some more headache when reinstalling. signature.

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 21:09:33 Jeff Cranmer wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 01:49:41 pm Justin wrote: > > Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > > >> Hmm, if you have a separate machine with the same architecture, you > > >> can build those binary packages yourself, just man emerge and take a > > >> look

Re: [gentoo-user] Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > almost all linux mailing lists - and almost all technical mailing lists have a > no-html rule. If you decide that fance formating is more important than > readership, you are on your own. Hey I don't need that tone. As I said if I kne

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 01:49:41 pm Justin wrote: > Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > >> Hmm, if you have a separate machine with the same architecture, you > >> can build those binary packages yourself, just man emerge and take a > >> look at the buildpkg section. Alternatively, you can cross compile > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Print to cups printer from Windows - any good instructions?

2008-12-21 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Saturday 20 December 2008 20:53:48 Mark Knecht wrote: > >>I did uncomment lines in /etc/cups/mime.convs and mime.types as per >> the numerous wikis around on configuring cups. If you need the >> specific lines let me know but all the

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: >> Hmm, if you have a separate machine with the same architecture, you >> can build those binary packages yourself, just man emerge and take a >> look at the buildpkg section. Alternatively, you can cross compile >> binary packages[1]. >> >> Or, why not just use a stage tarbal

Re: Hard to find netiquette, enculturation bug. (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] GNOME: Cant logout and Lock Screen is showing different background from GNOME screensaver)

2008-12-21 Thread »Q«
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:31 +0800 "Mark David Dumlao" wrote: > I am currently searching my subscription info, the gentoo site, or the > mailing list welcome for any hints that html messages are rude or > unwanted. I am having some difficulty finding it, that alone is a > warning sign that the am

Fwd: Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 12:43:58 pm Willie Wong wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Penguin Lover > Jeff Cranmer squawked: > > checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes > > checking whether x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc accepts -g... yes > > checking for x86_64-pc-linu

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
> Hmm, if you have a separate machine with the same architecture, you > can build those binary packages yourself, just man emerge and take a > look at the buildpkg section. Alternatively, you can cross compile > binary packages[1]. > > Or, why not just use a stage tarball? > > HTH. > > Joe > > [1]

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Willie Wong
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Penguin Lover Jeff Cranmer squawked: > checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes > checking whether x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc accepts -g... yes > checking for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc option to accept ISO C89... unsupported > checking how to run

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Qian Qiao
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 01:30, Jeff Cranmer wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:52:11 am Jeff Cranmer wrote: >> On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:11:59 am Justin wrote: >> > Jeff Cranmer schrieb: >> > > I have a problem with my gentoo system >> > > >> > > I am trying to update, and I get a C prepro

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:52:11 am Jeff Cranmer wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:11:59 am Justin wrote: > > Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > > > I have a problem with my gentoo system > > > > > > I am trying to update, and I get a C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails > > > sanity check error on a numbe

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
On Sunday 21 December 2008 11:11:59 am Justin wrote: > Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > > I have a problem with my gentoo system > > > > I am trying to update, and I get a C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity > > check error on a number of packages. > > > > After a bit of searching, the solution that I co

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Justin
Jeff Cranmer schrieb: > I have a problem with my gentoo system > > I am trying to update, and I get a C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity > check error on a number of packages. > > After a bit of searching, the solution that I come across most often is to > recompile glibc and gcc. Unfortunat

[gentoo-user] glibc - C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

2008-12-21 Thread Jeff Cranmer
I have a problem with my gentoo system I am trying to update, and I get a C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check error on a number of packages. After a bit of searching, the solution that I come across most often is to recompile glibc and gcc. Unfortunately, when I try to compile glibc,

Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-21 Thread damian
Hi Alan, On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sunday 21 December 2008 16:04:34 damian wrote: >> Hi, >> >> When I suspend to ram my laptop I've noticed the usb ports still yield >> energy (the light of my external hard drive stays on) and also the led >> of the wired network

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 20 December 2008 14:35:13 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Saturday 20 December 2008 11:53:05 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >>> You can start by giving the relevant information, like what exactly > >>> related to kde is in world?. Chances are you only have KDE there,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean wants to wipe out KDE3

2008-12-21 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Sun, 2008-12-21 at 06:34 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > [...] > > The reason is that KDE4 is a new product and has nothing to do with KDE3 > > other than the name. And another reason is the problem I'm describing > > in this very thread which should have not be

Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?

2008-12-21 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 21 December 2008 16:04:34 damian wrote: > Hi, > > When I suspend to ram my laptop I've noticed the usb ports still yield > energy (the light of my external hard drive stays on) and also the led > of the wired network device is on. Is this supposed to happen? I think > it should be a probl

Re: [gentoo-user] Migrating hard drives

2008-12-21 Thread Florian Philipp
Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb: > On Sonntag 21 Dezember 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: >> Am Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008 13:58:24 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: >>> and which data is not copied? >> ACLs and extended attributes. Still not! The same is true for GNU tar. If >> you use ACLs or extended attri

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