On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs.
>
> I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me what
> to do rather than go read docs somewhere else :P
and when the nice installer
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 12:36, Nikos Chantziaras escribió:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
>> On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:.
>>
I can't think of a single reason why the installer should operate
in a different manner to the way the thing will be used.
>>> Be
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >>> gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs.
> >>
> >> I'd rather be installing and waiting for the insta
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs.
I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me what
to do rather than go read docs
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
gentoo's installer is EASY if you just read the docs.
>>> I'd rather be installing and waiting for the installer to tell me what
>>> to do rather th
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 14:53, Saphirus Sage escribió:
> Cocoy Dayao wrote:
>
> There are certain situations where the "step-by-step" installer isn't
> adequate. For instance, when I was installing gentoo on my G4, it was
> straight forward and easy, but when I decided to do a minimal install
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 16:23, Grant Edwards escribió:
> On 2009-02-05, Dirk Uys wrote:
>
>
>> The type of user I don't like is the ignorant type. Innocent
>> users are ok, they don't know, but ignorant users choose not to know.
>
> Surely there are things you use without knowing how they wo
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 20:00, Mike Edenfield escribió:
> On 2/5/2009 7:01 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
>
>> no. He is an idiot if he does not read the docs. Simple. Like people
>> who don't read the manual to their car or vcr and then complaining if
>> something does not work. Idiots.
>
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:03:30 +0100 (CET), Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> Gentoo is not a distro. You don't "use" it, It's a metadristro
> that can be used to build a proper distro, after that you can
> use the final product.
It's a flatpack distro ;-)
--
Neil Bothwick
Hi, I'm not a signature virus. W
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote:
>
> and gentoo was never meant for the clueless.
Ah, come on Volker, say what's true. My 81 year old dad uses Gentoo
and he cannot use vi.
Maybe you really meant, but didn't say, 'Gentoo was never meant for
the clueless administrato
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll wrote:
> I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I
> feel they are so well written and informative that a new user could read and
> follow what the doc is trying to convey.
>
>
> --Joshua Doll
I agree. Everything ex
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll wrote:
>
>> I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I
>> feel they are so well written and informative that a new user could read and
>> follow what the doc is try
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
because it kept the 'i am too cool to read the docs' idiots away. Being forced
to read the documentation is a good thing - and it did not hurt gentoo's
popularity. Only after it started to catering to idiots and more and more of
loud mouthed 'I am the centre of the u
On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > and gentoo was never meant for the clueless.
>
> Ah, come on Volker, say what's true. My 81 year old dad uses Gentoo
> and he cannot use vi.
>
> Maybe you really meant, but
Paul Hartman wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll wrote:
I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I
feel they are so well written and informative that a new user could read and
follow
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman
wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll wrote:
>>
>>> I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I
>>> feel they are so well written and informative
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 21:25, Nikos Chantziaras escribió:
> Jesús Guerrero wrote:
>
>> It's not "The community vs. you", you are part of the community
>> since the very moment you start using linux.
>
> Most people don't want to be some part of some weird community. They
> just want to
El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 22:01, Jesús Guerrero escribió:
>
>
>
>
> El Jue, 5 de Febrero de 2009, 21:25, Nikos Chantziaras escribió:
>
>> Jesús Guerrero wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's not "The community vs. you", you are part of the community
>>> since the very moment you start using linux.
>>
>> Most
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:25:11 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Most people don't want to be some part of some weird community. They
> just want to use a computer. If they were looking for friends, they
> might try the local sports club.
Who are these people on whose behalf you speak? Why shou
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman
wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll wrote:
I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I
feel they are so well
=
Momesso Andrea
-Original Message-
From: Nikos Chantziaras
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:43:43
To:
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system'
-- huh?
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Donnerstag 05 Februar 2009, Nikos Chantziara
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Joshua D Doll wrote:
> Paul Hartman wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and
written
Paul Hartman wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Joshua D Doll wrote:
Paul Hartman wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll
wrote:
I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and
Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll wrote:
>
>
>> I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and written. I
>> feel they are so well written and informative that a new user could read and
>> follow what the doc is trying to convey.
>>
>>
>> --Jo
Joshua D Doll wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman
>> wrote:
>> I completely agree. I like the control also.
>>
>> I only took a *very* small exception to Joshua's statement that a 'new
>> user' could read, follow it and understand what it's telling him
Dale wrote:
Joshua D Doll wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman
wrote:
I completely agree. I like the control also.
I only took a *very* small exception to Joshua's statement that a 'new
user' could read, follow it and understand what it's telli
Joshua D Doll wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Joshua D Doll wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman
wrote: I completely agree. I
like the control also.
I only took a *very* small exception to Joshua's statement that a 'new
Saphirus Sage wrote:
Joshua D Doll wrote:
Dale wrote:
Joshua D Doll wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman
wrote: I completely agree. I
like the control also.
I only took a *very* small exception to Joshua's statement that a
Joshua D Doll wrote:
> Saphirus Sage wrote:
>> Joshua D Doll wrote:
>>
>>> Dale wrote:
>>>
Joshua D Doll wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Paul Hartman
>> wrote: I completely agree. I
>> like the contro
Dale wrote:
> Joshua D Doll wrote:
>
>> Saphirus Sage wrote:
>>
>>> Joshua D Doll wrote:
>>>
>>>
Dale wrote:
> Joshua D Doll wrote:
>
>
>
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, F
On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:12, Joshua D Doll wrote:
... Also man pages lacking valuable information is the reason why
GNU has switched to the majority of their packages to using info!
I suspect the reason for this is far more about navigation then
contents. GNU can rewrite all their man pages if
On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:03, Saphirus Sage wrote:
...
Man pages are notoriously bad. The gentoo handbook and other official
docs are great OTOH.
Man pages notoriously bad?! Now that's a stance I can hardly
understand,
they've always been a godsend in my experience! Just practice using a
comman
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 4:03, Stroller escribió:
>
> My experience is that only after learning the syntax of manpages (is
> that itself documented?) do I find most of them tremendously easy to
> navigate to find the one specific option I'm looking for.
>
If all the problem about man pages is
On 6 Feb 2009, at 03:08, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 4:03, Stroller escribió:
My experience is that only after learning the syntax of manpages (is
that itself documented?) do I find most of them tremendously easy to
navigate to find the one specific option I'm looking f
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 5:40, Stroller escribió:
>
> less [-[+]aBcCdeEfFgGiIJKLmMnNqQrRsSuUVwWX~] [-b space] [-h lines] [-j
> line] [-k keyfile] [-{oO} logfile] [-p pattern] [-P prompt] [-t tag]
> [-T tagsfile] [-x tab,...] [-y lines] [-[z] lines]
> [-# shift] [+[+]cmd] [--] [filename]...
>
>
On Friday 06 February 2009 06:40:01 Stroller wrote:
> > If the problem is "contents" then that's nothing to do with
> > man, but with whomever made (or didn't made) the page.
>
> Yes, but there's a problem with the MAJORITY of contents, perhaps of
> the majority of people writing manpages? It jus
On Friday 06 February 2009 04:45:04 Stroller wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2009, at 23:12, Joshua D Doll wrote:
> > ... Also man pages lacking valuable information is the reason why
> > GNU has switched to the majority of their packages to using info!
>
> I suspect the reason for this is far more about navigat
On 6 Feb 2009, at 05:03, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
...
But sometimes, the amount of info to present is simply overwhelming.
To name just a couple of man pages that are really excellent I'd say
that the fvwm and bash ones are really good. But being rather long
they are better suited as reference guid
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 7:57, Stroller escribió:
>
> On 6 Feb 2009, at 05:03, Jesús Guerrero wrote:
>
>> ...
>> But sometimes, the amount of info to present is simply overwhelming.
>> To name just a couple of man pages that are really excellent I'd say
>> that the fvwm and bash ones are real
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:17:46 +0100 (CET), Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> Well, in that sense, ALL the man pages of for anything that's more
> complext than ls will be horrible. There's no way to can shorten
> it unless you take features off from bash. It's a very powerful
> shell.
>
> Same goes for my ot
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:46:02 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Man pages are mostly written as reference documents. Like technical
> specs, they tend to list the capabilities of the app without giving the
> "bigger picture overview" as that is assumed to be known.
That's right,they tend to assume that
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Mike Edenfield wrote:
> On 2/5/2009 7:01 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
>> no. He is an idiot if he does not read the docs. Simple. Like people
>> who don't
>> read the manual to their car or vcr and then complaining if something
>> does not
>> w
On Friday 06 February 2009 10:57:51 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:46:02 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Man pages are mostly written as reference documents. Like technical
> > specs, they tend to list the capabilities of the app without giving the
> > "bigger picture overview" as tha
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:11:07 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> If Grandma can easily use Google to find new shortcake recipes (an
> entirely reasonable thing for Grandma to do in this day and age), then
> it is not unreasonable for savvy users to have a look at the man page
> and say
>
> "Oh look, thi
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:17:46 +0100 (CET), Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> > Well, in that sense, ALL the man pages of for anything that's more
> > complext than ls will be horrible. There's no way to can shorten
> > it unless you take features off from bash
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Friday 06 February 2009 14:36:12 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > except that info is horrible. I hate info. If you don't know exactly what
> > you are looking for, you are lost. And you can never sure in which part
> > they hid the information y
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:58:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily search them and if
> > you don't know what you are looking for you can glanze them over
> > quickly.
>
> The kde ioslave for info makes this somewhat tolerable. At least you
> move aroun
On Friday 06 February 2009 15:29:21 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:58:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily search them and if
> > > you don't know what you are looking for you can glanze them over
> > > quickly.
> >
> > The kde ioslave
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:58:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily search them and if
> > > you don't know what you are looking for you can glanze them over
> > > quickly.
> >
> > The kde ioslave for info
On 6 Feb 2009, at 13:29, Neil Bothwick wrote:
...
Which begs the question, why not use HTML? It can be read on just
about
anything, searched and either split into chapters or presented as a
single
page.
AIUI info pages are compiled from Texinfo source and thus can be
automagically produ
On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2009-02-06, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Friday 06 February 2009 15:29:21 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:58:56 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I prefer man. Even huge manpages. You can easily search them and
if
you don't know what y
On Friday 06 February 2009 14:36:12 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> except that info is horrible. I hate info. If you don't know exactly what
> you are looking for, you are lost. And you can never sure in which part
> they hid the information you are looking for. Oh - and the navigation? A
> nightma
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Christopher Walters wrote:
> for 64-bit systems, Debian and its child Ubuntu, have packages compiled to
> use the "generic x86_64" option, so they can be used on an AMD64 and an
> IA64 system. In addition, all kernel options are either directly in the
> kernel, or modul
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2009-02-06, Saphirus Sage wrote:
>
>
> Which begs the question, why not use HTML? It can be read on
> just about anything, searched and either split into chapters
> or presented as a single page.
>
The cynic in me says that it's because
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Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Christopher Walters wrote:
>
>> for 64-bit systems, Debian and its child Ubuntu, have packages compiled to
>> use the "generic x86_64" option, so they can be used on an AMD64 and an
>> IA64 s
On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Christopher Walters wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Christopher Walters wrote:
> >> for 64-bit systems, Debian and its child Ubuntu, have packages compiled
> >> to use the "generic x86_64" option, so they can be used on an AMD64 and
>
and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to read
info?
* Nikos Chantziaras (rea...@arcor.de) [05.02.09 09:12]:
>
> Than I'll rephrase my statement: Gentoo would need a non-bugged GUI
> installer ;)
>
No, Gentoo needs no GUI or CLI installer. It is very good, that if you
install Gentoo for the first time, you must actually read the
documentation, bec
Am Freitag, 6. Februar 2009 22:27:12 schrieb Sebastian Günther:
> Did you ever read anything the Windows Installer
What the heck is a "Windows Installer"?
*SCNR*
Bye...
Dirk
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On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann writes:
> > and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to read
> > info?
>
> You appear to be taking a potshot, not really adding to the
> discussion.
>
> I know you are not incapable of installing emacs
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Dirk Heinrichs writes:
>
>> Am Freitag, 6. Februar 2009 22:27:12 schrieb Sebastian Günther:
>>
>>> Did you ever read anything the Windows Installer
>>
>> What the heck is a "Windows Installer"?
>>
>> *SCNR*
>>
>
> Thirty five reboots and sever
Harry Putnam wrote:
Dirk Heinrichs writes:
Am Freitag, 6. Februar 2009 22:27:12 schrieb Sebastian Günther:
Did you ever read anything the Windows Installer
What the heck is a "Windows Installer"?
*SCNR*
Thirty five reboots and several hours
Sorry, can't resist as I am currently setti
Roy Wright wrote:
> Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Dirk Heinrichs writes:
>>
>>> Am Freitag, 6. Februar 2009 22:27:12 schrieb Sebastian Günther:
>>>
Did you ever read anything the Windows Installer
>>> What the heck is a "Windows Installer"?
>>>
>>> *SCNR*
>>>
>>
>> Thirty five reboots and several ho
* Dale (rdalek1...@gmail.com) [06.02.09 23:56]:
>
> This was one thing I liked about Mandrake, now Mandriva. Put in the CD,
> boot up, set up drives, select ALL the software you can stand, let it
> install and then reboot. What really made it good, when you reboot, ALL
> your software is already
Sebastian Günther wrote:
> * Dale (rdalek1...@gmail.com) [06.02.09 23:56]:
>
>> This was one thing I liked about Mandrake, now Mandriva. Put in the CD,
>> boot up, set up drives, select ALL the software you can stand, let it
>> install and then reboot. What really made it good, when you reboot
On Samstag 07 Februar 2009, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann writes:
> > On Freitag 06 Februar 2009, Harry Putnam wrote:
> >> Volker Armin Hemmann writes:
> >> > and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to
> >> > read info?
> >>
> >> You appear to be taking a po
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 08:17:04 +0100, Sebastian Günther wrote:
> *Install* Mandrake, to install Gentoo?
>
> Where were you when Klaus invented Koppix...
An installed distro is better if you have work to do. When I ought this
Eee PC, I couldn't install from the default Xandros, so I installed
EeeXbu
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:25:07 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
> > You'd expect to find a list of contents, chapters and an index
> > in a printed reference book, electronic documentation should
> > be no different.
>
> Perhaps, but I think info is an awful implementation. A single
> large man
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:08:46 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> and what do I, if I need to read info to be able to install emacs to
> read info?
RTFM of course ;-)
--
Neil Bothwick
He who laughs last probably made a back-up.
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:25:07 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
You'd expect to find a list of contents, chapters and an index
in a printed reference book, electronic documentation should
be no different.
Perhaps, but I think info is an awful
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 06:48:07 -0500, Saphirus Sage wrote:
> While I do like how the handbook is aranged, I'd much rather go
> through condensed manpages
That's the problem, not all man pages are, or can be, condensed. As I
said before, man is fine for short reference documents, but some programs
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:53:20 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> I'm not gonna duplicate what I wrote. Read it again :P
Repeating something does not increase its validity. You stated that
Gentoo needs a GUI installer. The number of people using it without one
shows that is simply not true.
You wa
On Sat, February 7, 2009 12:23, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:53:20 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>
>> I'm not gonna duplicate what I wrote. Read it again :P
>
> Repeating something does not increase its validity.
That's why I didn't repeat it in the fir
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:53:20 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>
>
>> I'm not gonna duplicate what I wrote. Read it again :P
>>
>
> Repeating something does not increase its validity. You stated that
> Gentoo needs a GUI installer. The number of people using it without
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 22:00, Harry Putnam escribió:
> Grant Edwards writes:
>
>
>>> The cynic in me says that it's because Tim Berners-Lee
>>> invented HTML, not Richard M Stallman.
>>
>> Info has been around a lot longer than HTML, but I think you're
>> largely correct.
>
[...]
> I recomm
El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 23:55, Dale escribió:
> This was one thing I liked about Mandrake, now Mandriva. Put in the CD,
> boot up, set up drives, select ALL the software you can stand, let it
> install and then reboot. What really made it good, when you reboot, ALL
> your software is alrea
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 23:55, Dale escribió:
>
>
>> This was one thing I liked about Mandrake, now Mandriva. Put in the CD,
>> boot up, set up drives, select ALL the software you can stand, let it
>> install and then reboot. What really made it good, when you reb
El Sab, 7 de Febrero de 2009, 19:37, Dale escribió:
> Jesús Guerrero wrote:
>
>> El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 23:55, Dale escribió:
[...]
>> If you like Mandriva and you install it to use it, then it's
>> ok, but to install it just to use it as a Gentoo installer it's a weird
>> thing to say the l
El Sab, 7 de Febrero de 2009, 19:40, Harry Putnam escribió:
> Jesús Guerrero writes:
>
>
>> El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 22:00, Harry Putnam escribió:
>>
>>> Grant Edwards writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
> The cynic in me says that it's because Tim Berners-Lee
> invented HTML, not Richard M Stallm
Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> El Sab, 7 de Febrero de 2009, 19:37, Dale escribió:
>
>> Jesús Guerrero wrote:
>>
>>
>>> El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 23:55, Dale escribió:
>>>
> [...]
>
>>> If you like Mandriva and you install it to use it, then it's
>>> ok, but to install it just to use
> Mine is a true external serial modem. I make sure it says it works with
> Linux or someone else tells me it does without the extra drivers. It's
> just that some don't include wvdial and other dialers at times. I don't
> know which ones do or don't and since I am on dial-up it is a HUGE deal.
* Nikos Chantziaras (rea...@arcor.de) [07.02.09 18:25]:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:53:20 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> I'm not gonna duplicate what I wrote. Read it again :P
>> Repeating something does not increase its validity.
>
> That's why I didn't repeat it in the
* James Homuth (ja...@the-jdh.com) [07.02.09 18:29]:
> if Gentoo needs anything, it's a more accessible method of installing for
> those users who can't actually see the screen. Don't get me wrong, I love
> the distro for several reasons, but if I were to install linux locally on
> any of my deskt
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 20:43:04 +0100, Sebastian Günther wrote:
> If i have to do *multiple* installs for several copumters, which I do
> not use myself, I choose debian, because fai rocks.
>
> Shouldn't this fai be adopted for Gentoo? I should investigate if this
> is possible...
Did you look at
El Dom, 8 de Febrero de 2009, 1:42, Harry Putnam escribió:
> Jesús Guerrero writes:
>
>
>>> There should be no posts beyond this point proclaiming how tuff it is
>>> to use emacs if you have no network on a fresh install... Or having
>>> to suffer through learning info to learn emacs to
* Neil Bothwick (n...@digimed.co.uk) [07.02.09 22:42]:
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 20:43:04 +0100, Sebastian Günther wrote:
>
> > If i have to do *multiple* installs for several copumters, which I do
> > not use myself, I choose debian, because fai rocks.
> >
> > Shouldn't this fai be adopted for Gent
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 01:57:39 +0100 (CET), Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> Yes. That's true and I agree. But since emacs was proposed
> as a way to overcome the natural limitations of info, I guess
> that's completely fair if others point out also the disadvantages
> of doing so. All in all, we could also s
Neil Bothwick writes:
> Everyone's more or less agreeing here, that the info format is useful but
> the standard info reader sucks. Once you start reading info pages in a
> decent reader, like Konqueror, they are useful for more complex
> documents. Although I'd still prefer HTML, mainly because
On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:54:48 +0100, Sebastian Günther wrote:
> > Did you look at quickstart, mentioned earlier in this discussion?
> Nope, unless fai-quickstart was meant...
>
> Any links?
Yes, posted twice already but not to hand now.
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On Thu, February 5, 2009 9:12 pm, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:03:30 +0100 (CET), Jes�s Guerrero wrote:
>
>> Gentoo is not a distro. You don't "use" it, It's a metadristro
>> that can be used to build a proper distro, after that you can
>> use the final product.
>
> It's a flatpack
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