Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re-run grub-install to update installed boot code!

2024-02-18 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-02-17, Dale wrote: >> Grant Edwards wrote: >>> Today's routine update says: >>> >>> Re-run grub-install to update installed boot code! >>> >>> Is "sudo grub-install" really all I have to do? [...] >>> >>> Or do I have to run grub-install with all the same option

[gentoo-user] Re: Re-run grub-install to update installed boot code!

2024-02-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2024-02-17, Dale wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: >> Today's routine update says: >> >> Re-run grub-install to update installed boot code! >> >> Is "sudo grub-install" really all I have to do? [...] >> >> Or do I have to run grub-install with all the same options that >> were originally used

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-08 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: > emerge --sync works just fine if > there are uncommitted changes in your repository, whether they are > indexed or otherwise. You are right. It seems to be somewhat "random" when git pull refuses to work and when not. I could not detect a common scheme. Maybe this has mainly

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:28 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > It's the *history* of the metadata which matters here: You make a reasonable point here. > > "The council does not require that ChangeLogs be generated or > > distributed through the rsync system. It is at the disc

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-08 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: >> I was speaking about gentoo's git repository, of course >> (the one which was attacked on github), not about a Frankensteined one >> with metadata history filling megabytes of disk space unnecessarily. >> Who has that much disk space to waste? > > Doesn't portage create that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:29 PM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:34 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: > >> > >> Biggest issue is that git signature happens by the developer who > >> last commited which means that in practice you need dozens/hundreds > >> of keys. > >

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-07 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:51 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Davyd McColl wrote: >> >> > I ask because prior to the GitHub incident, I didn't have signature >> > verification enabled >> >> Currently, it is not practical to change this, see my other posting. > > You clearly don't u

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-07 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:34 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: >> >> Biggest issue is that git signature happens by the developer who >> last commited which means that in practice you need dozens/hundreds >> of keys. > > This is untrue. [...] > It will, of course, not work on the regula

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:34 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > Biggest issue with git signature verification is that right now it > > will still do a full pull/checkout before verifying > > Biggest issue is that git signature happens by the developer who > last commited which

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:51 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Davyd McColl wrote: > > > I ask because prior to the GitHub incident, I didn't have signature > > verification enabled > > Currently, it is not practical to change this, see my other posting. > You clearly don't understand what it actually c

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-06 Thread Martin Vaeth
Davyd McColl wrote: > @Rich: if I understand the process correctly, the same commits are > pushed to infra and GitHub by the CI bot? Yes, the repositories are always identical (up to a few seconds delay). > I ask because prior to the GitHub incident, I didn't have signature > verification enable

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[2]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-06 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: > > git has the advantage that it can just read the current HEAD and from > that know exactly what commits are missing, so there is way less > effort spent figuring out what changed. I don't know the exact protocol, but I would assume that git is even more efficient: I would a

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

2018-07-06 Thread Martin Vaeth
Rich Freeman wrote: > > Biggest issue with git signature verification is that right now it > will still do a full pull/checkout before verifying Biggest issue is that git signature happens by the developer who last commited which means that in practice you need dozens/hundreds of keys. No package

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

2017-06-08 Thread Jörg Schaible
Mick wrote: > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 16:56:21 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 13:21:56 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >> > Yes, this seems to be the problem. Starting Kmail does not launch >> >> > kwalletd5 and as a consequence kmail starts asking for each email >> >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

2017-06-08 Thread Mick
On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 16:56:21 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 13:21:56 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> > Yes, this seems to be the problem. Starting Kmail does not launch > >> > kwalletd5 and as a consequence kmail starts asking for each email > >> > account password se

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

2017-06-08 Thread Jörg Schaible
Mick wrote: > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 13:21:56 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> > Yes, this seems to be the problem. Starting Kmail does not launch >> > kwalletd5 and as a consequence kmail starts asking for each email >> > account password separately. >> > >> > I guess until kmail:5 is installed I will h

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

2017-06-08 Thread Mick
On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 13:21:56 Jörg Schaible wrote: > > Yes, this seems to be the problem. Starting Kmail does not launch > > kwalletd5 and as a consequence kmail starts asking for each email account > > password separately. > > > > I guess until kmail:5 is installed I will have to start kwallet

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

2017-06-08 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Mick, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 02:04:44 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Tuesday 06 Jun 2017 16:35:40 you wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I've updated a number of kde (plasma) packages, including kde- >> >> frameworks/kwallet-5.34.0-r1. A depclean action wanted to re

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

2017-05-25 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 24 May 2017 08:58:53 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 23 May 2017 23:16:48 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > I, too, was affected by this. I did the libstdc++ rebuild after > > upgrading > > gcc (some 550 packages) a while back and now I was hit by the Qt > > problem, > > so another rebu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

2017-05-24 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 23 May 2017 23:16:48 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 09:49:01AM +0200, Jörg Schaible wrote: > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > well, this does not seem to be the complete truth. When I switched to > > gcc > > 5.x I did a revdep-rebuild for anything tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

2017-05-23 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 09:49:01AM +0200, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > [snip] > > well, this does not seem to be the complete truth. When I switched to gcc > 5.x I did a revdep-rebuild for anything that was compiled against > libstdc++.so.6 just like the according news entry wa

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

2017-05-22 Thread Jörg Schaible
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Monday 22 May 2017 09:49:01 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> > Have you seen https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595618 ? It says >> > that "Qt plugins compiled with gcc-4 are incompatible with >> > > > be >> > expec

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

2017-05-22 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 22 May 2017 09:49:01 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > [snip] > > > Have you seen https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595618 ? It says > > that "Qt plugins compiled with gcc-4 are incompatible with > > > be > > expected to anticipate that. On the other

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

2017-05-22 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Peter, Peter Humphrey wrote: [snip] > Have you seen https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595618 ? It says > that "Qt plugins compiled with gcc-4 are incompatible with > expected to anticipate that. On the other hand, some kind of notice could > be issued, and bug 618922 is pursuing that.

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flashing hardware via WINE ?

2017-03-19 Thread Jörg Schaible
tu...@posteo.de wrote: [snip] > Hi Kai (that's a rhyme! :) > > I have installed Virtualbox already and use the Linux Image I > installed there for banking purposes only. Feels more secure. > > I would prefer the WIndows-in-a-(virtual)box-solution) as you > do -- if I would own a Windows install

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

2017-02-04 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: > On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 01:33:24 Dale wrote: >> Mick wrote: >>> On Friday 03 Feb 2017 22:00:11 Dale wrote: Jörg Schaible wrote: > Dale wrote: > > [snip] > >> Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol > Hehe. > >> I thought about it aft

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

2017-02-04 Thread Mick
On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 01:33:24 Dale wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Friday 03 Feb 2017 22:00:11 Dale wrote: > >> Jörg Schaible wrote: > >>> Dale wrote: > >>> > >>> [snip] > >>> > Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol > >>> > >>> Hehe. > >>> > I thought about it after I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

2017-02-03 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: > On Friday 03 Feb 2017 22:00:11 Dale wrote: >> Jörg Schaible wrote: >>> Dale wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol >>> Hehe. >>> I thought about it after I hit send but figured you would get the thought, maybe you had one or the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

2017-02-03 Thread Mick
On Friday 03 Feb 2017 22:00:11 Dale wrote: > Jörg Schaible wrote: > > Dale wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >> Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol > > > > Hehe. > > > >> I thought about it after I hit send but figured you would get the > >> thought, maybe you had one or the other

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

2017-02-03 Thread Dale
Jörg Schaible wrote: > Dale wrote: > > [snip] > >> Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol > Hehe. > >> I thought about it after I hit send but figured you would get the >> thought, maybe you had one or the other in a mask/unmask file or >> something that resulted in a conflict? I

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

2017-02-03 Thread Jörg Schaible
Dale wrote: [snip] > Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol Hehe. > I thought about it after I hit send but figured you would get the > thought, maybe you had one or the other in a mask/unmask file or > something that resulted in a conflict? I was sort of thinking it but > did

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

2017-02-02 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Neil, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 14:47:29 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> > now I have an emerge mystery myself: It claims boost is blocked >> > by ... nothing. >> >> Same here. I don't know why, but the way I solved it is by unmerging >> boost and then trying the update

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

2016-12-16 Thread Jörg Schaible
Mick wrote: > On Thursday 15 Dec 2016 14:02:39 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >> Mick wrote: >> >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwa

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

2016-12-15 Thread Mick
On Thursday 15 Dec 2016 14:02:39 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> Mick wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >> >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

2016-12-15 Thread Mick
On Thursday 15 Dec 2016 11:58:06 J. Roeleveld wrote: > On December 15, 2016 7:23:21 AM GMT+01:00, Mick wrote: > >On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> Mick wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >> >> No, that's the point: If y

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

2016-12-15 Thread Jörg Schaible
Mick wrote: > On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> [snip] >> >> >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps will >> >> fail. At least until 5.7. I've not tested 5.8 yet. >> >> >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

2016-12-15 Thread J. Roeleveld
On December 15, 2016 7:23:21 AM GMT+01:00, Mick wrote: >On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> [snip] >> >> >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps >will >> >> fail. At least u

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

2016-12-14 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: > [snip] > > >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps will > >> fail. At least until 5.7. I've not tested 5.8 yet. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Jörg >

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

2016-12-14 Thread Jörg Schaible
Mick wrote: > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: [snip] >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps will >> fail. At least until 5.7. I've not tested 5.8 yet. >> >> Cheers, >> Jörg > > This is what works here without any problems: [snip] Well, for me

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

2016-12-13 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: > J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:10:31 AM Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> > Hello list, > >> > > >> > Until this morning I've had no real problems with KMail and co. for > >> > quite a while, but so

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

2016-12-13 Thread Jörg Schaible
J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:10:31 AM Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >> > Hello list, >> > >> > Until this morning I've had no real problems with KMail and co. for >> > quite a while, but something's upset the wallet system so that my >> > password is no l

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: KDE 5: Broken file protocol for KDE 4 apps

2016-10-13 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi, P Levine wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Jörg Schaible > wrote: >> Anyone? After upgrading a second machine to KDE/Plasma 5, I have the same >> behavior there. All KDE-4-based apps fail to interact with the file >> system. Using KMail I can no longer add any attachment to an email

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: KDE 5: Broken file protocol for KDE 4 apps

2016-10-13 Thread Jörg Schaible
Michael Mol wrote: > On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:54:48 PM Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Anyone? After upgrading a second machine to KDE/Plasma 5, I have the same >> behavior there. All KDE-4-based apps fail to interact with the file >> system. Using KMail I can no longer add any attachment to an e

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Partition of 3TB USB drive not detected

2016-08-03 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Mick Mick wrote: > On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 22:38:22 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Hi Mick, >> >> Mick wrote: >> > On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 19:14:45 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >> Hi Daniel, >> >> >> >> thanks for your response. >> >> >> >> Daniel Frey wrote: >> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> > I can only t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Partition of 3TB USB drive not detected

2016-07-31 Thread Mick
On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 22:38:22 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Hi Mick, > > Mick wrote: > > On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 19:14:45 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> Hi Daniel, > >> > >> thanks for your response. > >> > >> Daniel Frey wrote: > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> > I can only think of two reasons, the kernel on th

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Partition of 3TB USB drive not detected

2016-07-31 Thread Jörg Schaible
james wrote: > On 07/31/2016 12:56 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >>> Hi Daniel, >>> >>> thanks for your response. >>> >>> Daniel Frey wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> I can only think of two reasons, the kernel on the livecd doesn't support GPT (which is unlikely) >>> >>>

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Partition of 3TB USB drive not detected

2016-07-31 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Mick, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 19:14:45 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Hi Daniel, >> >> thanks for your response. >> >> Daniel Frey wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> > I can only think of two reasons, the kernel on the livecd doesn't >> > support GPT (which is unlikely) >> >> That would be re

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

2016-07-11 Thread Jörg Schaible
Daniel Frey wrote: > On 07/09/2016 07:08 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> Thanks Dan. I tried your package.mask and thought I was getting >> somewhere. But I had to add these to package.use (I have USE=-qt5 in >> make.conf): >> >> sys-auth/polkit-qt qt5 >> dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

2015-11-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:35:14 +0100, Jörg Schaible wrote: > > Then use emerge --keep-going and portage will take care of skipping > > failing merges for you. > > Ah, no, that's not an option. It breaks for a reason. Sometimes I can > ignore that and look for it later and in this case I skip it,

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

2015-11-12 Thread Jörg Schaible
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:48:48 +0100, Jörg Schaible wrote: > >>> > Hmmm. And how can you then ever use >> >> >> >> emerge --resume --skip-fist >> >> >> >> if not even the first build is deterministic? I skip the first >> >> package anyway only if the problematic package i

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

2015-11-12 Thread Jörg Schaible
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 12/11/2015 10:48, Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> On 12/11/2015 10:29, Jörg Schaible wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] Hmmm. And how can you then ever use emerge --resume --skip-fist if not even the first build is de

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

2015-11-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 12/11/2015 10:48, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 12/11/2015 10:29, Jörg Schaible wrote: >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On 11/11/2015 21:35, Walter Dnes wrote: > Ongoing installation. I looked at 2 instances of > "emerge -pv x11-base/xorg-server" and the order

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

2015-11-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:48:48 +0100, Jörg Schaible wrote: >> > Hmmm. And how can you then ever use > >> > >> emerge --resume --skip-fist > >> > >> if not even the first build is deterministic? I skip the first > >> package anyway only if the problematic package is the first one to > >> build af

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

2015-11-12 Thread Jörg Schaible
Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 12/11/2015 10:29, Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> On 11/11/2015 21:35, Walter Dnes wrote: Ongoing installation. I looked at 2 instances of "emerge -pv x11-base/xorg-server" and the order was somewhat different. Here are a couple of o

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.4.0

2015-02-06 Thread Jörg Schaible
Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > On 05.02.2015 17:59, Michael Palimaka wrote: >> On 04/02/15 08:07, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: >>> Am 03.02.2015 um 20:30 schrieb Jörg Schaible: >>> Consider a memcheck. Arbitrary failures while the CPU is high is often because some component starts dying. S

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: automated code validation

2014-12-07 Thread Sam Bishop
In order to catch up a bit since I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list with this email at the time I found this thread. If anything sounds odd, read through to the end. I'm trying to top reply so I'm leaving my 'backstory' till the end. > Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes: > > > James tampabay.r

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

2014-07-27 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On 07/26/2014 11:25 PM, Dale wrote: > Alexander Kapshuk wrote: >> On 07/26/2014 03:31 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: >>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: >>> Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or some other package? >>> chrony - no

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

2014-07-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:10:12 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Chrony is maintained by Red Hat in cooperation with the > > timekeeping code in the kernel. > > I didn't know Red Hat had taken over its maintenance - thanks for the > info. So the stories about Red Hat trying to force everyone to u

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

2014-07-26 Thread Dale
Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > On 07/26/2014 03:31 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: >> >>> Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or >>> some other package? >> chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way o

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

2014-07-26 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On 07/26/2014 09:38 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 21:14:04 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > >> Is this gentoo wiki article still relevant when it comes to configuring >> chrony on gentoo? >> http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Chrony >> >> Or should I stick to the instructions given h

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

2014-07-26 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 26 July 2014 12:31:55 Holger Hoffstätte wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > > Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or > > some other package? > > chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way overrated, > unneces

[gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

2014-07-26 Thread Holger Hoffstätte
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 21:14:04 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > Is this gentoo wiki article still relevant when it comes to configuring > chrony on gentoo? > http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Chrony > > Or should I stick to the instructions given here: > /usr/share/doc/chrony-1.29.1/chrony.txt.bz2 The

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

2014-07-26 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On 07/26/2014 03:31 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > >> Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or >> some other package? > chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way overrated, > unnecessarily hard t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

2014-07-26 Thread Alexander Kapshuk
On 07/26/2014 03:31 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > >> Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or >> some other package? > chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way overrated, > unnecessarily hard t

[gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

2014-07-26 Thread Holger Hoffstätte
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or > some other package? chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way overrated, unnecessarily hard to setup correctly, fragile and contrary to popular belief

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo-user] kernel bug?

2014-07-16 Thread Gmail
I start to use genkernel-next from the upgrade to gnome 3.12 with systemd. I must repeat: with kernel 3.12.13 no problem, with 3.12.2x kernel system block during the ramdisk loading. I see many discussion about this problem (many without solution again), but nothing to solve. Gentoo Bugzill

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo-user] kernel bug?

2014-07-15 Thread taozhijiang
Yes, genkernel-next should be used. look at the install gentoo gnome with systemd from scratch ( Sorry for currently I can not access Internet so can not provide your link) I have test genkernel-next with systemd (needed by GNOME 3.12), all seems OK, with kernel version 3.15。 But now I am using

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] About DELL ALPS touchpad

2014-07-03 Thread taozhijiang
definitely was set to y CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_ALPS=y The touchpad was, but just basicly. So I want to full featured such as multi-touch and scroll 2014-07-04 Thanks & Best Regards. 陶治江 | TAO Zhijiang 研发处 | SOHO国际产品线 发件人: Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn 发送时间: 2014-07-03 17:19:31 收件人: gentoo-

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-30 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 02:38:51PM +0200, Kai Krakow wrote: > Matti Nykyri schrieb: > > > That is why the possibility for 0 and 1 (after modulo 62) is twice as > > large compared to all other values (2-61). > > Ah, now I get it. > > > By definition random means that the probability for every va

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-29 Thread Kai Krakow
Matti Nykyri schrieb: > On Jun 29, 2014, at 0:28, Kai Krakow wrote: >> >> Matti Nykyri schrieb: >> On Jun 27, 2014, at 0:00, Kai Krakow wrote: Matti Nykyri schrieb: > If you are looking a mathematically perfect solution there is a simple > one even if your list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-28 Thread Matti Nykyri
On Jun 29, 2014, at 0:28, Kai Krakow wrote: > > Matti Nykyri schrieb: > >>> On Jun 27, 2014, at 0:00, Kai Krakow wrote: >>> >>> Matti Nykyri schrieb: >>> If you are looking a mathematically perfect solution there is a simple one even if your list is not in the power of 2! Take 6 b

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM, wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28 2014, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> That doesn't matter. Take a non-negative integer N; if you flip a coin >> an infinite number of times, then the probability of the coin landing >> on the same face N times in a row is 1. > > This is cer

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-28 Thread gottlieb
On Sat, Jun 28 2014, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > That doesn't matter. Take a non-negative integer N; if you flip a coin > an infinite number of times, then the probability of the coin landing > on the same face N times in a row is 1. This is certainly true. > This means that it is *guaranteed*

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-28 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Kai Krakow wrote: [ ... ] > I cannot follow your reasoning here - but I'd like to learn. Actually, I ran > this multiple times and never saw long sets of the same character, even no > short sets of the same character. The 0 or 1 is always rolled over into the > nex

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-28 Thread Kai Krakow
Matti Nykyri schrieb: >> On Jun 27, 2014, at 0:00, Kai Krakow wrote: >> >> Matti Nykyri schrieb: >> >>> If you are looking a mathematically perfect solution there is a simple >>> one even if your list is not in the power of 2! Take 6 bits at a time of >>> the random data. If the result is 62

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 19:50:15 +0200, Kai Krakow wrote: > You can actually learn from Dilbert comics. ;-) Unless you're a PHB, they never learn. -- Neil Bothwick "You know how dumb the average person is? Well, statistically, half of them are even dumber than that" - Lewton, P.I. signature.asc

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

2014-06-27 Thread Kai Krakow
thegeezer schrieb: > On 06/26/2014 11:07 PM, Kai Krakow wrote: >> >> It is worth noting that my approach has the tendency of generating random >> characters in sequence. > > sorry but had to share this http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2001-10-25/ :-) I'm no mathematician, but well, I think the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

2014-06-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Kai Krakow wrote: > I'm not sure if multiple partitions can share the same cache device > partition but more or less that's it: Initialize bcache, then attach your > backing devices, then add those bcache devices to your btrfs. Ah, if you are stuck with one bcache

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

2014-06-24 Thread Kai Krakow
Rich Freeman schrieb: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Kai Krakow wrote: >> I don't see where you could lose the volume management features. You just >> add device on top of the bcache device after you initialized the raw >> device with a bcache superblock and attached it. The rest works the s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

2014-06-22 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Kai Krakow wrote: > I don't see where you could lose the volume management features. You just > add device on top of the bcache device after you initialized the raw device > with a bcache superblock and attached it. The rest works the same, just that > you use bcac

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

2014-06-22 Thread Kai Krakow
Rich Freeman schrieb: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Kai Krakow wrote: >> And while we are at it, I'd also like to mention bcache. Tho, conversion >> is not straight forward. However, I'm going to try that soon for my >> spinning rust btrfs. > > I contemplated that, but I'd really like to s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

2014-06-21 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Kai Krakow wrote: > And while we are at it, I'd also like to mention bcache. Tho, conversion is > not straight forward. However, I'm going to try that soon for my spinning > rust btrfs. I contemplated that, but I'd really like to see btrfs support something more n

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

2014-06-21 Thread Kai Krakow
Peter Humphrey schrieb: > On Friday 20 June 2014 19:48:14 Kai Krakow wrote: >> microcai schrieb: >> > rsync is doing bunch of 4k ramdon IO when updateing portage tree, >> > that will kill SSDs with much higher Write Amplification Factror. >> > >> > I have a 2year old SSDs that have reported Wr

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

2014-06-21 Thread Kai Krakow
Rich Freeman schrieb: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Peter Humphrey > wrote: >> >> I found that fstrim can't work on f2fs file systems. I don't know whether >> discard works yet. > > Fstrim is to be preferred over discard in general. However, I suspect > neither is needed for something li

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 11.10.2013 10:28, schrieb Steven J. Long: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:35:58PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: wrong analogy and it goes down from here. Really. >>> Ohh, but they are inspired on YOUR analogy, so guess how wrong yours was. >> your trolling is weak. And since I never saw a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Steven J. Long wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:37:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> initramfs is the new /, for varying values of new since most distros have >> been doing it that way for well over a decade. > > Only it's not, since you're responsible for kee

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:11:55 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > While I'm loathe to use words like underhanded, ... > > > Not "loathe" here but "loath" or even "loth". > Ouch! -- Neil Bothwick Mac screen message: "Like, dude, something went wrong." signature.asc Description: PGP si

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 11 Oct 2013 12:55:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: > While I'm loathe to use words like underhanded, ... Not "loathe" here but "loath" or even "loth". (Just to help non-native speakers avoid confusion, you understand.) :-) -- Regards, Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:27:59 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: > > I don't understand why people keep banging on about Poettering in > > this, previously finished, thread. > > You brought up the background, wrt Greg K-H. Regardless of how you > feel, I'm not alone in considering Poettering's (and Se

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:42:33AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:36:02 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: > > > > It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, > > > now it has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer > > > devote the increasing t

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:50:05AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 11/10/2013 09:54, Steven J. Long wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: > >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: > >From that one single action this entire mess of sep

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:16:50 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: > > initramfs is the new /, for varying values of new since most distros > > have been doing it that way for well over a decade. > > Only it's not, since you're responsible for keeping it in sync with the > main system. No I'm not, the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:35:58PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> wrong analogy and it goes down from here. Really. > > Ohh, but they are inspired on YOUR analogy, so guess how wrong yours was. > > your trolling is weak. And since I never saw anything worth reading > posted by you, you ar

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:37:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:05:39 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > If *something1* at boot time requires access to *something2* at boot > > > time that isn't available then I would say that *something1* is broken > > > by design not the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 11/10/2013 09:54, Steven J. Long wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote: >> that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news. >>> And th

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

2013-10-11 Thread Steven J. Long
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: > > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote: > that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news. > > And their dependency on systemd is just the usual ma

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 22:18, Steven J. Long wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> Peace and hugz OK? > > Definitely :-) > > "POSIX 4: Programming for the Real World" (Gallmeister, 1995) > "UNIX Network Programming vol 2: Interprocess Communications" (Stevens, 1999) > > iirc the first is on safari-online; you

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Steven J. Long
Alan McKinnon wrote: > Peace and hugz OK? Definitely :-) "POSIX 4: Programming for the Real World" (Gallmeister, 1995) "UNIX Network Programming vol 2: Interprocess Communications" (Stevens, 1999) iirc the first is on safari-online; you can download code from the second here: http://www.kohala.c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 24/07/2013 19:51, Steven J. Long wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> you forgot that shared library nonsense. Every app should just bundle >> static copies of everything it needs and leave it up to the dev to deal >> with bugs and security issues > > And you forgot: -lc prob'y because it's not req

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

2013-07-24 Thread Steven J. Long
Alan McKinnon wrote: > you forgot that shared library nonsense. Every app should just bundle > static copies of everything it needs and leave it up to the dev to deal > with bugs and security issues And you forgot: -lc prob'y because it's not required. -lrt comes into play too. I'd recommend a boo

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