Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-26 Thread Ben Scott
And then there are these: Sony VGN-UX380N - http://tinyurl.com/3crnt6 OQO - http://www.oqo.com/ I walked past the Sony on a store display the other day, and spent the next several minutes playing with it. It's a pretty impressive little box. Still too big and heavy to be a PDA, but not by mu

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-23 Thread mike ledoux
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 09:47:40AM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: > Sacha Chua (Cc'ed on this e-mail) who's since become a good friend of > mine, introduced me to my current PDA/PIM device of choice: The > Hipster PDA. When they make a version that includes alarm functionality for repeating events and

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Paul Lussier
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 3/22/07, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But synchronization and garbage collection are a bitch! > > And the cut-and-paste implementation is even worse than X11's. Well, no, they have a solution to that, carbon-paper :) Then it's more li

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/22/07, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But synchronization and garbage collection are a bitch! And the cut-and-paste implementation is even worse than X11's. -- "One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over me"

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Mar 22, 2007, at 09:47, Paul Lussier wrote: So, where do you get this wonderful, almost too-good-to-be-true device? Insert time is good, delete time is good, updates can be good, unless I/O is blocked. Search can be O(n), unless the search tool is buggy, then it might fail. But sync

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/22/07, Brian Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Browsing time: up to 3 hours" What's up with PDAs, UMPCs, and even laptops these days and the severe lack of battery life? Partly increased CPU and RAM to run the latest bloatware. Mostly the display backlight and radios. That backlight

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Brian Chabot
Jeffry Smith wrote: > I'll comment again (although I don't own one yet) - check out the N800 > by Nokia (http://www.nokiausa.com/N800). All well and good but "Browsing time: up to 3 hours" HUH? THREE HOURS?!? Are they %^%%&&%$&[EMAIL PROTECTED]& high!?!? That's a limitation not a feature

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/22/07, Jeffry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'll comment again (although I don't own one yet) - check out the N800 by Nokia (http://www.nokiausa.com/N800). I did. Very cool looking device. Unfortunately, for my purposes, small as it is, it is still too big. It's more of a handSheld

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Jeffry Smith
I'll comment again (although I don't own one yet) - check out the N800 by Nokia (http://www.nokiausa.com/N800). Not a cell phone, but a Linux PDA with built-in WiFi, Skype, Bluetooth, 2 x SD slots, 640x480 color display, 128MB RAM, 256MB flash, web camera, etc. Also an active open-source communit

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Bill Freeman
Ben Scott writes: ... > Just wait until technology advances to the point where sound and > video can be fed directly into human sensory perception. Audio will > come first. I predict we will see implanted audio communication > devices ("phones") within ten years. Implanted hearing aids alr

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Thomas Charron
On 3/20/07, Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yah, for a Verizon phone, the Treos are fairly open. The very few locked options (using the treo as a bluetooth modem for example) are very easy to unlock. It's not like their other phones that are totally crippled. As long as you get the Palm

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Paul Lussier
> On 3/21/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What do you want? A computer you can carry around with you? Or something >> to carry around w/ your data until you can get to a real computer? [...] "Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The ability to use it as a handheld -- i.e.,

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Paul Lussier
"Ben Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 3/21/07, Brian Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You know... I'd bet there would be a market for low-end PDAs ... > > There is. They're called cell phones. For me it's called "a wife" :) -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:46:52 -0400 "Jon 'maddog' Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess it depends on how much it costs and whether it is worth it to > you. Look around. If you don't see what you like, buy another one and > use that until it is held together with tape, the thumbwheel breaks

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-22 Thread Tom Buskey
On 3/21/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/21/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you want? A computer you can carry around with you? Or something > to carry around w/ your data until you can get to a real computer? Ideally the former, but I'll settle for the latt

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/21/07, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... what NexTel has ... Since you bring it up: Nextel uses iDEN (which is incompatible with everything else, of course). I think Nextel is the only carrier in the US to use iDEN. iDEN was designed by Motorola as a wide-area trunked radio

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Mar 20, 2007, at 18:30, Ben Scott wrote: But wireless carriers universally see any cell phone, and all the data on it, as *their* property. They don't sell you a phone, they let you use their phone, maybe, for a little while, so long as you keep up on your protection payments. You can use

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread mike miller
PROTECTED]> To: "Greater NH Linux User Group" Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences? Hello, world! So, I'm thinking about getting a new handheld computer (AKA PDA), before the one I have now finish

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Paul Lussier
Brian Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Any hardware engineers out there want to take a stab at a > mass-producible, cheap PDA? First there was OLTPC, now there will be OPDAPG (One PDA Per Geek). Or would it be 2 or 3 or 4 PDA/Geek ? -- Seeya, Paul -- Key fingerprint = 1660 FECC 5D21 D286 F8

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> My current handheld is a Sony Clie PEG-TG50 running Palm OS. It's > the best handheld I've ever used. I love the backlit keyboard. I use > it for all my PIM stuff. But it is literally being held together with > tape at this point. The IR is dead, the thumbwheel broke off, it's > ready to

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/21/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What do you want? A computer you can carry around with you? Or something to carry around w/ your data until you can get to a real computer? Ideally the former, but I'll settle for the latter if that's the only way to get good handheld functio

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/21/07, Brian Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You know... I'd bet there would be a market for low-end PDAs ... There is. They're called cell phones. My own personal idiosyncrasies aside, most people love them. They're voice, email, IM, calendar, address book, music player, TV, etc., a

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Brian Chabot
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 16:38 -0400, Brian Chabot wrote: >> Not too long ago, I grabbed a cheap Handspring Visor > I bought a Palm m130 at the last Hosstraders. You know... I'd bet there would be a market for low-end PDAs if we could find a cheap way to build them and a w

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 16:38 -0400, Brian Chabot wrote: > Not too long ago, I grabbed a cheap Handspring Visor off eBay (about $35 > with shipping). Linux compatible (mostly), long battery life, AAA > batteries, and great PIM. > > Add a CF adapter and it's actually useful as a text reader. > > Wo

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Brian Chabot
Not too long ago, I grabbed a cheap Handspring Visor off eBay (about $35 with shipping). Linux compatible (mostly), long battery life, AAA batteries, and great PIM. Add a CF adapter and it's actually useful as a text reader. Works out find for me. Now if those ePaper thingies had lower prices,

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Tom Buskey
On 3/20/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, world! So, I'm thinking about getting a new handheld computer (AKA PDA), before the one I have now finishes crumbling into dust. (For purposes of this discussion, let's assume my handheld and my mobile phone will be two different device

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Jerry Feldman
I've had a Palm since my days at Digital. I currently have a Treo 650 with GPS software so I can't get lost on my way to work or to the Galley Diner in South Boston. My only complaint is that with the Mapopolis software when I receive a cal while in GPS mode, the mapping software sometimes crashes.

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/21/07, Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, then what cell phone carrier are you currently using that doesn't do that? I'm using the cell phone carrier that work uses and pays for (Nextel), because they want me to have a cell phone. It has a "just make phone calls" plan, and a pho

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Travis Roy
... so it's kind of a useless argument. I seem to attract/instigate such. When sending an email to a mailing list to bitch about the general state of wireless carrier policy, disguised as a question about PDAs... That tends to happen. It proves to be a little more obvious when you sta

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Travis Roy
That's not all I'm getting at (though it is part of it). I object to the whole attitude wireless carriers have. They want everything locked in to them, owned by them, controlled by them. Ideally, they want to charge me every time I press a button, take a picture, or think. It's Microsoft all

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/20/07, brk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I object to the whole attitude wireless carriers have. So do I, but in the end I have bigger things to worry about. From what I can tell, most people have that attitude. Which, of course, is what lets so many companies get away with such lousy beha

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread brk
On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Ben Scott wrote: I object to the whole attitude wireless carriers have. So do I, but in the end I have bigger things to worry about. Besides, as soon as Google rolls out their nationwide Wifi, and accompanying phone it won't be such an issue anymore. Anyway,

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/20/07, brk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But wireless carriers universally see any cell phone, and all the data on it, as *their* property. If you get one of those horrible Sidekicks, then yeah, T-Mobile owns/ controls your data. With the Treo, 99% of whats on it never goes over the carriers

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Kjel Anderson
I've been using the Nokia E62 and have been happy with it. It is the best "free" phone that I have ever had from a provider. It replaced my palm, and so far I don't really miss it. Doesn't synchronize with Linux (yet). Hard to beat it for the price. Kjel On 3/20/07, Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Travis Roy
~sigh~ Yes, yes. That's the way it would be, in an ideal world. But wireless carriers universally see any cell phone, and all the data on it, as *their* property. They don't sell you a phone, they let you use their phone, maybe, for a little while, so long as you keep up on your protecti

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread brk
On Mar 20, 2007, at 6:30 PM, Ben Scott wrote: ~sigh~ Yes, yes. That's the way it would be, in an ideal world. But wireless carriers universally see any cell phone, and all the data on it, as *their* property. They don't sell you a phone, they let you use their phone, maybe, for a little whi

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/20/07, Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (For purposes of this discussion, let's assume my handheld and my mobile phone will be two different devices.) I would seriously consider combining the two devices. I find it very helpful. ~sigh~ Yes, yes. That's the way it would be, in an

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread mike ledoux
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 05:11:00PM -0400, Ben Scott wrote: > I'm especially interested in the Sharp Zaurus. I understand that, > while it's nominally not sold in the US, it's pretty easy to find > vendors importing it, and that the manufacturer support picture is > pretty good (for the immediate

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Travis Roy
So, I'm thinking about getting a new handheld computer (AKA PDA), before the one I have now finishes crumbling into dust. (For purposes of this discussion, let's assume my handheld and my mobile phone will be two different devices.) I'd like to hear people's opinions and experiences on brands,

Re: Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Jeffry Smith
On 3/21/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, world! So, I'm thinking about getting a new handheld computer (AKA PDA), before the one I have now finishes crumbling into dust. (For purposes of this discussion, let's assume my handheld and my mobile phone will be two different devices.

Handhelds/PDAs - Palm vs Zaurus vs others - Opinions? Experiences?

2007-03-20 Thread Ben Scott
Hello, world! So, I'm thinking about getting a new handheld computer (AKA PDA), before the one I have now finishes crumbling into dust. (For purposes of this discussion, let's assume my handheld and my mobile phone will be two different devices.) I'd like to hear people's opinions and experien