On 3/27/07, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a
furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss
the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things
that are under fire), what's left but to
Seth Cohn wrote:
> Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a
> furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss
> the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things
> that are under fire), what's left but to cave in and give up?
Poi
Seth Cohn wrote:
> Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a
> furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss
> the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things
> that are under fire), what's left but to cave in and give up?
Poi
On 3/26/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why not just do a one-time batch tivodecode of the .tivo files to
.mpeg files? That's what I did.
Anyone recommend a good mpeg editor once you have them converted so I can
take out the $#^%# commercials?
_
On 3/26/07, Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Now the question is, if Ben goes and edits the archives to remove the
link.. Is that destruction of evidence?
After a subpoena has been issued, I'm pretty sure it is.
Before then, I'm not sure.
Either way, I'm not going to modify the archiv
I note you posted a link to
a comment in a blog which is a link to a different blog entry which is
a link that results in an HTTP 404 error.
heheh, I didn't notice the 404 error. Ok, citing a 404 page is pretty
poor as a defense. "Never mind" in my best Emily Latella voice
You were asked not
On 3/26/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think that most of us on this list will agree that the recent rulings
of our government sponsored by the recording and broadcast industries
are Draconian by any measure.
I absolutely agree, here.
You might find less agreement on how
[I'm spooling up Seth Cohn's posts and consolidating them into a
single reply. Order of comments has been rearranged for (supposed)
clarity. An errors in editing are mine and mine alone. Actual
results may vary. Participating locations only.]
On 3/26/07, Seth Cohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Seth,
There is a not-so-fine line between the issues of copyright, DMCA, etc.
being discussed and the "HOWTO" of performing illegal acts being
discussed, particularly when people get fast and loose about saying "I
did this" and "I used this". Even if you are careful about what you
say, others may
To use a really bad analogy: If you want to argue that homicide
should not be illegal, I don't have a problem with that (as the server
operator). But I would object to anyone giving instructions on how to
kill others and get away with it, or links to same. I'd also frown
upon anyone claiming t
One link to just show that some court decisions seem to indicate that
lists like this one are protected from the content expressed by its
members No, I am not a lawyer, neither are you. Feel free to err
on the side of caution if you so wish, I understand that. I'm merely
pointing out that cy
On 3/26/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Frankly, the Bono copyright extension was a
perversion of justice, and I'd be glad to prove it to a jury in a
court of law.
As I said, *I am totally uninterested in campaign speeches*.
Clarification: I am uninterested in campaign speeches ar
Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a
furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss
the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things
that are under fire), what's left but to cave in and give up?
Now the question is, if Be
*** DO NOT DISCUSS ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES ON THIS LIST.
I understand your point, and will comply with your wishes, despite my
_opinion_ that it's not illegal in the first place.
pissing match with the MPAA.
Since we were talking television and not ever movies, the MPAA isn't
an issue, but
On 3/26/07, Travis Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
To be fair, I do think copyright issues are something that is up for
discussion. After all, it does effect Free/Open Source Software quite
a bit.
If you or anyone else wants to discuss what law or policy *should*
be, and why, go right ahead.
On 3/26/07, Seth Cohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Frankly, the Bono copyright extension was a
perversion of justice, and I'd be glad to prove it to a jury in a
court of law.
As I said, *I am totally uninterested in campaign speeches*.
Let me spell this out for you:
*** DO NOT DISCUSS ILLEGA
> Ah, but the sites do a great job of filtering just for such a thing.
> For example, [OMITTED} is a feed that doesn't list...
STOP.
You are pointing out feeds of shows whose legality is questionable at
best. This is in violation of the terms of use of this list, this group,
and likely the TOS o
I don't recall the "giving it to a friend" portion of the decision,
and
the slippery slope of two friends, four friends, putting it on the web
site, popping it up on BitTorrent likely crosses the line, somewhere.
I agree with this.. Even when people were saying making mix tapes for
friends
Seth Cohn wrote:
>
> For free-to-air programs, I suspect it would be very hard to make truly
> illegal.
Seth:
I am not a lawyer and don't believe you are, either. I'd suggest we
allow the courts to determine what is and is not legal.
> For other programming, I'd still look to the Sony time-shif
I download each and every show I wish to watch (and I want for
nothing I can't get), getting not only high quality recordings, but
with commercials already removed.
I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for
content?
Yes, it's called Netflix.
For eve
Replies to a number of emails:
I'm transition to this solution, but the legality of it is debatable.
For free-to-air programs, I suspect it would be very hard to make truly illegal.
For other programming, I'd still look to the Sony time-shifting
decision and ask what the difference is between
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 10:16:05AM -0400, Travis Roy wrote:
> >
> >I download each and every show I wish to watch (and I want for
> >nothing I can't get), getting not only high quality recordings,
> >but with commercials already removed. Finding new shows is
>
> I'm transition to this solution, bu
On 3/26/07, Seth Cohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I download each and every show I wish to watch ...
Just a reminder, this list is publicly archived. One may want to
avoid boasting of one's illegal activities in such a forum.
For that matter, it just occurred to me that, as the legal owner o
Kevin D. Clark writes:
> I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for
> content? The model could have reasonable prices and fair/non-existent
> copy-protection or whatever else you'd like.
First, it has to be a model in which there is content worth paying
for. I own a num
On 3/26/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/25/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/25/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The problem is, someone needs to stand up and say 'this ain't
> > right'.
> This hearkens back to the wireless phone carrier subthread I
On 3/26/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/26/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course, my next TiVo will be MythTV. Anyone got a way for them to
play
> .TiVo files directly? Or script Myth to run tivodecode to convert to
mpg
> before playing? :-)
Are you speaki
I'm curious...is there a model in which you'd consider paying for
content? The model could have reasonable prices and fair/non-existent
copy-protection or whatever else you'd like.
If it's stuff that I can get OTA with an antenna (If I didn't live in
the sticks), then no, I wouldn't pay for
On 3/26/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/26/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure out why
> people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone.
As everyone else has said, better quality. The DTiVo units st
Seth Cohn writes:
> These days, I do without cable OR satellite. Considering the high
> prices I paid for both, I miss neither. But how do you watch TV? I
> hear you asking... Antenna? No.
>
> I download each and every show I wish to watch (and I want for
> nothing I can't get), getting not o
I download each and every show I wish to watch (and I want for nothing
I can't get),
getting not only high quality recordings, but with commercials
already removed.
Finding new shows is trivial (thanks to many diverse sites devoted to
tracking the shows),
and with thousands of others doing the
On 3/26/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure out why
people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone.
As everyone else has said, better quality. The DTiVo units stored
the digital MPEG stream right from the satellite
> As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure
> out why people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone.
I had/have both, I was an early tivolutionary, telling people how much
it changed my life, and encouraging them to get one... and also had
Comcast's (crappy) DVR fo
As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure
out why people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone.
Dual tuner, and "prefect" quality all the time. Even if you have a
stand alone tivo and you set it for the highest quality there will be
some loss.
They're s
On Mar 26, 2007, at 09:04, Tom Buskey wrote:
As a TiVo owner and former DirecTV subscriber, I couldn't figure
out why
people would get a DirecTiVo instead of a stand alone.
I'm building my MythTV box after having a Dish DVR-508 for about 3-
ish years. The two advantages it had were:
1) $
On 3/25/07, Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/25/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem is, someone needs to stand up and say 'this ain't
> right'.
This hearkens back to the wireless phone carrier subthread I
accidentally started.
As long as people continue to
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 22:49 -0500, Nigel Stewart wrote:
> > "Internet Radio has been sentenced to death." -- Doc Searls
>
> "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems
> will slip through your fingers."
>
> --- Princess Leia Organa
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_L
"Internet Radio has been sentenced to death." -- Doc Searls
"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems
will slip through your fingers."
--- Princess Leia Organa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Leia_Organa
___
gnhlug-dis
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
> Now if a rogue media outlet started making good media (movies,
> songs, etc.) available at reasonable prices, playable on any device and
> also did not block you from recording them for personal use, that might
> give some competition. On the other hand they probably co
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 14:35 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
> On 3/25/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The problem is, someone needs to stand up and say 'this ain't
> > right'.
>
> This hearkens back to the wireless phone carrier subthread I
> accidentally started.
>
> As long as peo
On 3/25/07, Thomas Charron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The problem is, someone needs to stand up and say 'this ain't
right'.
This hearkens back to the wireless phone carrier subthread I
accidentally started.
As long as people continue to subscribe to the service as it is now,
DirectTV Inc has
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