From: " Robin Viegas"
[Goanet] Orissa: Fr Edward's orphanage burned a second time
FR. EDWARD'S ORPHANAGE IN ORISSA BURNED A SECOND TIME
by Nirmala Carvalho
The fire was set at night, when there were no police to guard the
building. For the Divine Word priest, "it is a clear indication that
From: "Sandeep Heble"
Fr Ivo wrote:
Can you mention just one? Are there "many" priests who are, according to
you, "treating the nuns like servants" using the Bible?
You are already attributing an error to the Bible, namely that the Bible
"demeans women". Do you want me to teach you the bi
From: "Santosh Helekar"
--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza wrote:
These changes show that the mystical experiences are not delusions or
>hallucinations. But they are triggered by the reality outside the brain.
The above statement is scientifically wrong. If Beauregard
From: "Aires Cabral"
Many priests are chauvinists.
***What proof do you have? Are they many, or a few, some, or all?
It is no surprise that they treat the nuns like servants.
***Are there many who treat the nuns like servants? On what are you basing
this statement? Are there today priests t
From: "Santosh Helekar"
I would like to correct the misinformation regarding Neuroscience and
Physics in Fr. Ivo's post below.
Mental processes, thoughts, emotions, volition, consciousness, love,
empathy, mystical states and experiences, hallucinations, illusions,
delusions and figments of min
From: "Santosh Helekar"
--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza wrote:
***We have two different kinds of statements: one,
ethically the use of condom is "inherently evil". Yet, there
is human weakness... Another statement in this context is
the scientific-technical,
From: "Santosh Helekar"
--- On Tue, 3/24/09, neil rangel wrote:
The use of a condom is inherently evil
It is a good thing that most people do not believe the above to be true.
Here is information provided by WHO regarding the usefulness of condoms in
disease prevention:
http://www.wh
From: "Joao Barros-Pereira"
E M Foster once wrote: I don't believe in belief.
***Do you accept this statement? How many beliefs do you sustain in your
life?
I share his sentiments as the atheists and theists are really sailing in
the
same boat: they don't know.
***Is this true?
Whether y
From: "Mario Goveia" mgov...@sbcglobal.net
...how do experiments in mystical experiences prove
anything other than the individuals are having mystical experiences?
***Mystical experiences which are instantiated in the neuronal systems and
circuits are not illusions. They are "created" by a real
From: "Mario Goveia"
As the only real voice of reason, truth and peace on Goanet, I am sorry to
inform you that you cannot have it both ways.
Why? Because, if I am right, it proves that all this neuroscientific mumbo
jumbo on the existence of God is a collossal waste of time and effort.
***Tha
From: "Mario Goveia"
I think such endless discussions in the past have clearly established that
a) the hypothesis that a supernatural being exists cannot be proven
conclusively by the rigorous standards of science, whereas, b) science is
unable to prove conclusively that a supernatural being doe
From: "Santosh Helekar"
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza wrote:
***Dr. Mario Beauregard is a professional neuroscientist.
His books have been peer-reviewed and internationally
accepted. His authority is being accepted everywhere.
I guess, in the face of this malarkey, the
From: "Santosh Helekar"
Fr. Ivo wrote:
Religion has a scientific basis in universe and human being. This is >what
Dr.Santosh will not be able to understand...
I explain below exactly how Fr. Ivo raises the scientific illiteracy of
Goanetters who are unfortunate enough to read his posts in this
From: "Santosh Helekar"
Let me state once again why Fr. Ivo's posts in this thread are compounding
the ignorance of Goanetters regarding neuroscience, and making them more
scientifically illiterate.
***Dr.Santosh is betraying his own illiteracy with this post.
Fr. Ivo does not understand tha
From: "Santosh Helekar"
--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza wrote:
I corrected Dr.Santosh Helekar, who quoted Dr.Mario, saying: "the mystical
experiences are mediated by several brain regions and
systems", and misinterpreted the word "mediated" as a denia
Dear Goanetters,
I am showing from neuroscientific experiments, conducted by neuroscientists,
that there is a Reality (that we call God and soul).
Dr.Mario Beauregard has shown it. I corrected Dr.Santosh Helekar, who quoted
Dr.Mario, saying: "the mystical experiences are mediated by several brai
Dear Editor,
It is a pity that Christian children in Orissa are going to suffer in their
education.
It is a tragedy. How to obviate to it?
http://new.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=14480
The Government will do nothing. Hindu leaders will be happy,
if Dalits are kept in illiteracy and slavery.
From: "Santosh Helekar"
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza wrote:
But all religions cannot be equally good. They can
also be "distorted". We are left with a choice.
All ways to a goal are not equally good, we choose the best
one. When there are several remedies of d
From: "Nascy Caldeira"
dear Santosh,
U have surely 'lost the plot' much earlier, and now I feel that U are
loosing it, and that's for sure!
U know what I mean. I nor any goanettors, do not need to be a 'Scientist' or
a neurosurgeon/ scientist to 'read you', behind the lines.
Keep writing like
From: "Ruby Goes"
Subject: [Goanet] Attack on Women at an Indian Bar Intensifies a Clash
ofCultures - NYTimes.com
Goanetters,
> The whole world knows. Shame!
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/world/asia/09india.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
***All of us are disturbed with such news. Let us listen to
entalism", it does not
exclude the theories of Evolution. Interpreting wrongly the Bible and
thinking it is the only way is "fundamentalism"... Bible and Science should
be in dialogue. Religion and Science cannot be at odds... Faith and Reason
cannot be in conflict...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
--- On
From: "Dr. U. G. Barad"
This message is in reply to Message: 7, dated: Sun, 8 Feb 2009, from: Fr.
Ivo C da Souza on the subject: Vatican Plans Galileo Celebrations
My response: I don't mix religion with science or politics with science
therefore I just cannot fit into today'
From: "Santosh Helekar"
--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza wrote:
Dr.Santosh can learn from me not only about Christianity but also
about the correct interpretation of neuroscientific experiments.
This is obviously a fantasy. Fr. Ivo is not capable of interpreting
neuro
From: "marlon menezes"
...Finally, we need to acknowledge and deal with the christian extremists
in India too. I have fundamentalist relatives who continuously spout
venom against hindus and muslims and view the world in extreme shades of
black and white.
On Goanet, we have had Inquisition den
From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" dr.udayba...@gmail.com
I still ask you Fr. Ivo for the proof which compels you to say that
Catholic
Schools are preferred all over India although my earlier response was
with
regards to our Goa. I maintain my response was equally correct in context
with entire India.
**
From: "Dr. U. G. Barad"
Yesterday I was with group of friends and as usual our topic of discussion
started from Bollywood to Hollywood to politics to religion. On religion,
one of our friend started talking on Dead Sea Scrolls. And none of us were
aware of the topic. Later when I returned home,
From: "Marshall Mendonza"
This time it is violence in Jabalpur. Yet another BJP ruled state.
http://www.ucanews.com/2009/02/03/hindu-radicals-vandalize-catholic-school/
***While reading this posting, I read another article,
entitled "India is shining, while orissa is burning" and
found the int
From: "Santosh Helekar"
Fr. Ivo wrote:
Buddhism is a practical way of life. Christianity is a way of life
based on the truths revealed by God himself.
This pretty much sums up why we cannot learn about anything other than
Christianity from Fr. Ivo.
***I am not going to delve here into the
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--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Santosh Helekar wrote:
--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Fr. Ivo C da Souza
wrote:
>
> **The State is not a model in teaching to
"critically discern the truth". >The Church is
playing a very important rol
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Regards.
Fr.Ivo
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playing a very important role in the education of children. Most Hindus and
Muslims, besides Christians, have taken its b
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A: Yes, because the brain mediates all experiences of living human beings.
That does not mean that the brain creates the experiences.
Q: About the God helmet: can we induce a spiritual experience by stimulating
the brain magnetically?
A: No. As subsequent Swedish research showed, peo
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From: "Fr. Ivo C da Souza"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]National Animal
Dear Goannetters,
I have been reading postings on cow as a sacred animal to be a national
animal on some Websites. It is a point for reflexion. When I go abroad and
speak a
/12 Fr. Ivo C da Souza :
A lot of hue and cry is being heard about cow slaughter...
If we can discuss about non-existence of God in this Forum, we can
certainly
hear different opinions about "cow slaughter".
"Hue and cry" is a loaded term. It is entirely plausible that, bein
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From: "Pravin Sabnis"
I can personally vouch that my friend, Sandeep Heble is a very sensitive and
humane person in reality. His various postings on the Goanet reflect his
concern over the communal slants given to various topics. His views can be
challenged but to label him a bigot is unfair.
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From: "julian Gonsalves"
I am shocked, saddened and very bothered by these exchanges between Barad
and Fr Ivo.
***To correct misunderstandings on religion and conversions is not to "stoop
so low".
I cant imagine that whatever religion we are we can stoop so
low.
***You must be used to hear w
From: "edward desilva"
Hi,
Funny that.
Samir Kelekar wouldn't come with that sort of propaganda against God, during
Ganesh or Lakshmi Puja!
One sided opinionated people, why are they encouraged on Goanet?
Dear Goanetters, I was shocked and saddened to see such words
appear on Goan
From: "Dr. U. G. Barad"
Under subject mentioned as in above, Fr. Ivo C da Souza, on Sat, 12/20/08,
makes a good point saying: There have been cases of conversion "by force"
in
the 16th century, but that was never an official policy of the European
missionaries who worked
From: "Bernado Colaco"
Fr. Ivo with due respect to you and Sr. Carlos Cruz I have read the most
confusing post in a long time. I appreciate you quoting Christ please let
the flock learn more, but please devoid telling us that you live in the
greatest democracy. It is more of the greatest quagm
From: "Carvalho"
--- On Fri, 12/19/08, Dr. U. G. Barad wrote:
Selma, Right to convert is NOT a basic right in a civil
society at least in
India. This reply is based on following facts:
Article 25(1) of Constitution of India guarantees
''freedom of conscience to
every citizen, and not merely t
From: "Bernado Colaco" 'But for the oppressed freedom'? Strange statement from Fr. Ivo, and truly
paradoxical in the age where the religion that he preaches is under the
threat of fundamentalists and terrorists in a 'liberated' Goa.
***This statement comes from the epitaph on the grave of the
AN UNKNOWN FREEDOM FIGHTER
We do remember our freedom fighters. Each one of them has done a lot
for the liberation of Goa. I have come to know about one of them who has
remained unknown, though he has been living as a man for others.
Professor Carlos da Cruz was a man of character, dedi
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1202648
Dear Marshall,
Calmly but firmly our church leaders will affirm life and truth.
Let the Government do its work at least now. People have lost faith
in police and political leaders. Chaos in India will take us not to the
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A very moving article written by Karan Thapar. Read on.
>
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=HomePage&id=38bd540e-98aa-4041-aaf6-88717cb2b6c1&&Headline=A+time+for+Father+Terry
***Dear Marshall Mendonça,
I do appreciate your work to find
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
***I do not understand the logic of Dr.Santosh.
This inability to understand is understandable given the evident lack
of clarity about what const
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have read books on Eucharistic Miracles written by authors with
>scientific background.
The ignorance about what is meant by science and its purpose continues.
Students of
From: "Laluram Salvi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Following are the list of abuses from one such book – Satya
Darshini –
distributed by the missionaries of New Life. This book is in Kannada and the
translation of the abusive passage is as follows.
Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a prostitu
From: "Laluram Salvi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lot of articles have been written on Goanet on violence in Orissa which
reflects only one side of it. Most of the post were influenced by biased
opinions of anti Hindu journalist and media.
***Dear Laluram Salvi,
I do not know who you are. You know who I
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Consulted by ZENIT, Dr.Odoardo Linoli explained that "as regards the
flesh, I had in my hand the endocardium. Therefore, there is no doubt at
all that it
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The post appended below is full of mind-numbing contradictions. For
example, here are two sentences that contradict each other:
***What is 'mind-numbing' and hurting is Dr.Santosh's ignorance. He does not
know the meaning of a contradiction, although h
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fr. Ivo wrote:
Your "scientific method" cannot be used, as you only admit. Even now I
>cannot understand "your method" for such cases. About your "scientific
>method", it is the method to be used for common clinical cases.
The barrage of posts that Fr
From: "Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
***Well done, Dr.Gilbert Lawrence. Our duty is to enlighten
those who are in
error.
If Da Vinci Code is a fiction, let people know why it is a
fiction and not
history.
From: "Gilbert Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Notes of Chapter 6: "Cracking Da Vinci's Code - You have read the fiction,
now read the facts"
by G&J
False statements of DB in the 'Da Vinci Code':
1. The Bible is a product of man .. (pg 241)
2. The New Testament is false testimony (pg 342)
3 The Bib
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jose wrote:
>> In my clinical experience (of some years now) there have been some
unexpected cures/recoveries. They have been amazing and wonderful
occurrences inexplicable by our current knowledge. Until I find
>scientific explanations for the cures
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dr.Santosh asked for a double-blind "control" (read below), admitting
himself that this is difficult for such rare cases. The proposed method
its
From: "Roland Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fr. Ivo writes of faith and miracles and there are pseudo-scientists
and some men of learning on this forum who think that their education
qualifies them to deny God and his existence. They deny that miracles
happen, not knowing what really is a miracle.
From: "George Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is the opposite true? If someone dies in an accident, there is no miracle,
hence no God? Given there are many deaths in car accidents, should we
conclude God does not exist just as some conclude God exists if they
survive the accident?
***Good questio
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- On Mon, 8/25/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When it is already closed mind to the "supernatural", even scientific
evidence will not convince. Intellectual probity is necessary.
Scientific my
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2008/8/26 Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
1: Both Jose and Fr. Ivo are Catholics who believe in miracles.
2: Jose has always said that he believes in them because of his faith
May I agree with #1 above and disagree with #2 - as stated by you?
From: "Agnelo Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I cannot make anyone believe in anything, it is one's own prerogative
whether they want to believe or not. But I do fully agree and believe in
miracles. >> Isn't the Birth of a new life a miracle?
*** We do accept the possibility and the fact of miracl
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Using a selectively mutilated quote of what I (jc) had written i.e.
***Sorry, Dr.Jose Colaço, for keeping your quote shortened. This happened
by mistake (not "selectively mutilated")--the first words were deleted by
mistake and I added "check if:". N
From: "Fr. Ivo C da Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Do scientists know why there is no Chaos in the movement of the Universe?
***1.Not being a scientist by profession, I would like to answer your
questio
From: "edward desilva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So, you have not heard of unexplained miracles happening to people of
other religion, including atheists?
***Miracle is a theological term used to "extraordinary, unexplained events"
which we attribute to God's providential Love. Only God can work mirac
From: "Cip Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Rev. Fr. Ivo C. da Souza,
How can you convince a colour blind person that colours exist?
***I do agree with you. I had a lot of discussions with people of other
faiths ( or no-faith) and denominations.
Sometimes it is quite enrichin
From: "Vidyadhar Gadgil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Fr. Ivo C da Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Why all this heated debate about 'miracles'? What are they worth
anyway?
***People are running for healings and miracles precisely because they touch
thei
From: "Roland Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For a scientist Santosh, you have written a particularly unscientific
reply.
In what was a Faith thread, all I said was that faith was worn as a
badge of learning in your case and as a social statement badge by
Kevin. I then went on to explain what fai
From: "ralph rau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Last time I heard Goanet was a forum for discussing social issues of
concern to Goans and not debating matters of faith.
***Which are social issues of concern to Goans? We are hearing a lot about
them. We can hear them being debated in the Legislative Assemb
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I do understand that there is a "scientific committee" and a process
for these miracles - BUT if any process is going to be accepted, the
process has to be open and transparent. I suggest that IF we really
want to investigate ANY matter - we should i
From: "Santosh Helekar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I think that Fr.Ivo and others would do well to heed the following
excerpts from
the authoritative 1998 decree of the concerned Archbishop regarding the
fraudulent miracles of this mystic called Julia Kim:
***I have quoted Roman Danylak, titular bishop
From: "raju gonsalves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There seems to be quite a hue and cry about the miracles.
***Precisely because they happen, but are being denied by some scientists.
SEEK N YOU SHALL FIND...
I am seeing that the revelations by our lady of fatima, are happening, may
be I sought - so wh
on
of elements
through alchemy, philosopher's stone or "elixir of life".
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
--- "Fr. Ivo C da Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jesus of his real presence in the Eucharist
through transubstantiation. I
> hope that the readers will see that there are
"Eucharistic miracles" in
> our times.
> Regards.
> Fr.Ivo
From: "Albert Desouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
***I am reproducing the witness of those who have seen the white host being
transformed into "flesh and blood", thus confirming the words of Jesus of
his real presence in the Eucharist through transubstantiation. I hope that
the readers will see that t
- Original Message -
From: "Fr. Ivo C da Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Lourdes Miracles
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Sun, 8/10/08, Fr. Ivo C da
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
**In the case of Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano, how can
you perform this "scientific procedure"?
So after all this talk about using a scientific p
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...any scientific procedure requires that properly blinded and
objective researchers obtain quantitative data about the probability of
occurrence of the phenomenon under observation in the special condition
under study, and then compare this probabilit
From: "Santosh Helekar" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think as of January 21, 2008 Julia Kim and her followers have been
excommunicated by the Archbishop because of the possibility of fraud, and
the embarrassment these unruly "miraculous" events that she is staging,
might be causing the Church.
***Yes, yo
From: "edward desilva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Byron the English poet once asked:
I can see crutches, and wheelchairs, on display hanging all around, but I do
not see any artificial limbs. Why is that?
***They are too costly. Some people have left crutches and wheelchairs when
they received miracles
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...more importantly, modern science teaches us that it is foolish to
draw premature conclusions from lack of knowledge about something at any
given time.
***Right. Science has its limitations. These conclusions do not belong to
its competence.
Scien
From: "Albert Desouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Miracles are taking place in everyone's life. The very fact we are alive
is a great miracle.
***I do agree with you: the Universe is itself a miracle, our existence is a
miracle,
every event of our life is a miracle. St.Augustine would speak of the
Uni
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The level of gullibility displayed in the quoted post indicates that the
people involved in propagating such "miracles" do not want their claims to
be subjected to real scientific tests, and face the prospect of
disillusionment.
***This is wrong. The Ch
ased on the miracles. They
only confirm our faith in the words of Jesus. There is no conflict with
Science, it goes beyond the natural, phenomenal realm. It is, therefore,
called "supernatural". Christian religion is historical revelation of God.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
--- On Sun, 8/10/08,
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
btw, what would the bloodtype of the offspring be, if a virgin with
bloodgroup AB was with a child?
Dear Orlando,
Thanks for your question.
I hope that Dr.Santosh will try to answer you, if he accepts that Mary
conceived Jesus without sexual-genital intercourse...
My a
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
His study confirmed that the flesh and blood were of human
origin. The flesh was unequivocally cardiac tissue, and the blood was of
>type AB.
The type AB b
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have not being opening any of the posts on this subject simply
because it is beyond common sense that it is in Lourdes
that God concentrates on answering requests and providing miracles.
If God cannot find you in your living room, s/he is not going to fi
From: "Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There is a saying :A wise man knows what he says, a fool says what he
knows. We as medical doctors mostly say what we know from books,
literature, journals, and broadcasted news. But do we know what we say?
We say if you smoke, it cause
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As you can see from the post quoted below, contrary to earlier claims
not even a bureaucratic committee meeting was called to certify these
incredible "miracles", let alone follow any kind of genuine scientific
procedure.
***It was subsequently studie
From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As you can see, the procedure described below is clearly not a scientific
procedure of any kind.
***I am giving here the report of the Eucharistic miracle. We believe in the
real presence of the Risen Lord in the Eucharist under the species of bread
a
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