I have seen in paintings where on one side of the gown the seam is not sewn
together to expose the underskirt, sometime it appears that a purse is worn
under the top skirt and the opening allows access. Mostly on "German" 1400s
styles I have seen the side opening. I think that the gores of a differ
Quoting otsisto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
One of them was already brought forth and shot down which was the Donor in
the birth of Mary fresco. the red and white outfit Though I still think the
gold thingies are more of a tassel then a dag.
The other one I think I did not save the url because I think
One of them was already brought forth and shot down which was the Donor in
the birth of Mary fresco. the red and white outfit Though I still think the
gold thingies are more of a tassel then a dag.
The other one I think I did not save the url because I think it was a Salome
character and I was not
Catching up on old email
From: "otsisto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*snip*
I have seen at least two "Italian" dresses that look as if they have
different colored gores from the rest of the dress but not in the style that
is on the Chimera site.
Can you point me in the direction of those Italian
bad...naughty...have some chocolate. :)
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I guess it's all a matter of whose ox (or gown) gets gored...
(Sorry; the pun fairy made me do it...)
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I guess it's all a matter of whose ox (or gown) gets gored...
(Sorry; the pun fairy made me do it...)
On Nov 13, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:
Now I feel really bad about posting this "gores question". The
picture just kind of caught my eye, as I'd heard some people
telling me th
Wow! Great job and you wear it well!
Lady Von
Robin Netherton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, michaela wrote:
> http://costumes.glittersweet.com/other/catwoman.htm
> http://pulpspace.net.nz/joomla/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=30
Oh my goodness, this looks brilliant! A
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From: "Sylvia Rognstad"
To: "Historical Costume"
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
> I sew for a living (among other things) and I don't like to rush myself
> too much. I certainly don't se
Glad to hear someone else that suffers with RA and sews understands the flare
ups and recovery periods.
Lady Von
michaela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have RA too and this weekend overdid the sewing a bit too much to help out
a dance school. I took about 8 200mg Ibuprofen a day as well as up
> > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/other/catwoman.htm
> > http://pulpspace.net.nz/joomla/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=30
>
> Oh my goodness, this looks brilliant! And you wear it well.
Thank you:) And to keep it on h-cost topic... the corset is remarkably
simialr ot the 1900 corset in Cor
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From: "michaela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Sewing speeds was Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt
inlateMiddleages???
> > > http://costumes.glittersweet.com/other/catwo
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, michaela wrote:
> http://costumes.glittersweet.com/other/catwoman.htm
> http://pulpspace.net.nz/joomla/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=30
Oh my goodness, this looks brilliant! And you wear it well.
--Robin
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> > (my latest costume, Catwoman from Batman Returns only took a couple of
> > weeks from buying material to final sewing. but again if I was
> > healthier would have taken much less time.)
>
> Of course, if you believe the movie, Michelle Pfeiffer did it all in an
> evening ;-)
I incorporated thi
Posting any question will lead to various replies. No one doubts the woman's
work. What has been happening is a critiquing of the style of the garment. I
believe what is pushing a few buttons are that this garment is being
presented or implied as a gown that would have been worn during the Middle
A
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, michaela wrote:
> (my latest costume, Catwoman from Batman Returns only took a couple of
> weeks from buying material to final sewing. but again if I was
> healthier would have taken much less time.)
Of course, if you believe the movie, Michelle Pfeiffer did it all in an
eve
<< WOW ! !! I use a regular machine and it takes me a while to
finish a beautiful garment of this nature. The gown can be constructed
using less expensive but good quality fabric. It would take that long to
just lay and cut the pattern (or least for me) but then I have Rheumatoid
Arthri
ge -
From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
> I sew for a living (among other things) and I don't like
Answered privately.
--Sue (from Montana)
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From: "Voncile W. Dudley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages?
a more of a "cottage
industry"
scale.
--Sue
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From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages?
quot;cottage industry"
scale.
--Sue
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From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
&
Now I feel really bad about posting this "gores question". The picture just
kind of caught my eye, as I'd heard some people telling me that contrasting
gores were accurate in the middle ages - a fact that I wasn't very sure of. So
I just wanted to ask. It wasn't meant to doubt the lady's work at
ld someone send the link to the actual page this item
is on? I've been all through the Medieval stuff and
don't see it.
MaggiRos
--- Gail & Scott Finke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay I couldn't resist and looked it up. Actually,
> this one (if it's the
> right one I'm looking at) says it's m
Ditto,
Patty
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Voncile W. Dudley
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:24 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirts
You put it in great words. I tried to but your's is much much b
You put it in great words. I tried to but your's is much much better.
Lady Von
Suzi Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I said itBAD DESIGN.
>
>Let's all learn from it.
>
>There should be a LOGIC to designsa logic that is true from head to foot.
I am beginning to be tired of the inc
Glad you meant well but unfortunately it didn't come across that way.
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The site has some very nice stuff on it. This red thing is NOT one of them.
Oh well. I don't think the sky is gonna fall or her business will suffer.
I don't see that it's that big a deal.
I clearly
In a message dated 11/13/2006 12:26:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Her address was given in good faith as someone who might be able to
supply some goods. I am embarrassed that I gave her name, as I had no
expectation of the sniping and carping that would go on.
Now that sounds interesting to try!
Thanks.
Lady Von
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/12/2006 7:14:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Aren't gores the ones that start at the waist and godets the ones that start
somewhere around the thigh?
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At 17:00 13/11/2006, you wrote:
In a message dated 11/13/2006 10:18:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Okay I couldn't resist and looked it up. Actually, this one (if it's the
right one I'm looking at) says it's made to order in standard sizes, so it's
not custom. And I
Ok, then, what is a gusset?
>From what I've learned over the years and confirmed by looking a the
following definitions, "Gore" and "Godet" are pretty much the same, with
the godet being specifically that triangular piece which extends upward
from the hem to add fullness to a skirt, and a gore be
In a message dated 11/13/2006 10:18:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Okay I couldn't resist and looked it up. Actually, this one (if it's the
right one I'm looking at) says it's made to order in standard sizes, so it's
not custom. And IMHO it's ugly,
> I would say a gore is a trapezoidal piece sewn to other gores to make up a
> complete skirt. Whereas a godat is a piece set into a slit made in a larger
> piece. In theory, you can slit your gores and insert a godet into them if you
>
> want.
This all irritates me very much. You're the t
In a message dated 11/12/2006 7:14:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Aren't gores the ones that start at the waist and godets the ones that start
somewhere around the thigh?
**
I would say a gore is a trapezoidal piece sewn to other gores to
gt; - Original Message -
> From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
>
>
>> Real
get to do my
sewing for
fun.
--Sue in Montana, not Susan in TN ;o)
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From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in s
Elizabeth Walpole wrote:
> In defence of this company in particular the example we've been discussing
> is in their custom made section, so presumably it's a customer's design not
> their own. Their readymade stuff looks fairly good as does most of their
> custom made stuff, and they do describe t
nk goodness, and get to do my sewing for
fun.
--Sue in Montana, not Susan in TN ;o)
- Original Message -
From: "Sylvia Rognstad"
To: "Historical Costume"
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
> Really?
wool flannels just to take the taint
away ;o)
- Original Message -
From: "Elizabeth Walpole"
To: "Historical Costume"
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
> Well, except that in reality what co
Voncile W. Dudley wrote:
> Aren't gores the ones that start at the waist and godets the ones
> that start somewhere around the thigh? Anyone know the difference,
> if any? Lady Von
In my years in the professional costume industry, I have generally heard
godet used to refer to a triangular inser
Thanks. I wondered why I didn't know the meaning of godet because it looked
like a gore to me. It was in one of my patterns and confusing.
Voncile
Adele de Maisieres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Voncile W. Dudley wrote:
>Aren't gores the ones that start at the waist and godets the ones t
I found the dress in thier periods gallery under "The Medieval Age of
Chivalry 1100 -1485. I have not found the wording "Medieval inspired"
anywhere with this dress.
Perhaps they have documentation for the coloured gores.
I have seen at least two "Italian" dresses that look as if they have
differen
At 03:13 13/11/2006, you wrote:
I should go into business. Wonder how many this company sells at
those prices.
On Nov 12, 2006, at 7:28 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
Quoting Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
How much is 350 pounds?
$700 USD -- approximately
This is not an unusual price
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From: "Sue Clemenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
Personally, I wouldn't touch it if
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From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
> Really? How long do you estimate it would take you to make suc
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
> Well, except that in reality what costs $1 in the USA costs £1 in the UK.
So
> from the UK seller&#x
>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
Gores in various configurations were used to widen skirts from
the early
middle ages on (it's an early step in the evolution of tailoring),
but the
use of a contrast gore
Really? How long do you estimate it would take you to make such a gown?
On Nov 12, 2006, at 8:27 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
Quoting Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I should go into business. Wonder how many this company sells at
those
prices.
Who Knows! But I could sure sell them a
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From: "Sylvia Rognstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
I should go into business. Wonder how many this c
Quoting Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I should go into business. Wonder how many this company sells at those
prices.
Who Knows! But I could sure sell them a lot cheaper than that!
susan
-
Susan Farmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionar
I should go into business. Wonder how many this company sells at those
prices.
On Nov 12, 2006, at 7:28 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote:
Quoting Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
How much is 350 pounds?
$700 USD -- approximately
susan
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Tenne
Greetings--
Adele de Maisieres wrote:
Voncile W. Dudley wrote:
Aren't gores the ones that start at the waist and godets the ones
that start somewhere around the thigh? Anyone know the difference,
if any?
Well, SCA-types tend to call them gores and modern dressmakers tend to
call them god
Using my handy-dandy converter:
http://www.xe.net/ucc/
Roughly 669 buckolas!!! (Too bad it can't be phantasy-bucks for
phantasy-garb!!)
Theresa Eacker
How much is 350 pounds?
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Sylvia Rognstad wrote:
How much is 350 pounds?
1000 New Zealand dollars.
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Quoting Sylvia Rognstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
How much is 350 pounds?
$700 USD -- approximately
susan
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/
respective mileages are varying greatly on this one, huh?
;oD
--sue in montana
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From: "Branwyn Maura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages
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From: "Branwyn Maura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Re: gores in skirt in late Middle ages???
> Gores in various configurations were used to widen skirts from the early
midd
Voncile W. Dudley wrote:
Aren't gores the ones that start at the waist and godets the ones that start
somewhere around the thigh? Anyone know the difference, if any?
Well, SCA-types tend to call them gores and modern dressmakers tend to
call them godets and use "gore" to refer to a trapezo
Aren't gores the ones that start at the waist and godets the ones that start
somewhere around the thigh? Anyone know the difference, if any?
Lady Von
Adele de Maisieres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Branwyn Maura wrote:
>Gores in various configurations were used to widen skirts from the early
"Gores in various configurations were used to widen skirts from the
> early middle ages on (it's an early step in the evolution of
> tailoring), but the use of a contrast gore for stylish effect is not
> really documentable for this period (I think there is some use of
> this technique in the 1
Quoting Branwyn Maura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Gores in various configurations were used to widen skirts from the
early middle ages on (it's an early step in the evolution of
tailoring), but the use of a contrast gore for stylish effect is not
really documentable for this period (I think the
Branwyn Maura wrote:
Gores in various configurations were used to widen skirts from the early middle
ages on (it's an early step in the evolution of tailoring), but the use of a
contrast gore for stylish effect is not really documentable for this period (I
think there is some use of this tech
Gores in various configurations were used to widen skirts from the early middle
ages on (it's an early step in the evolution of tailoring), but the use of a
contrast gore for stylish effect is not really documentable for this period (I
think there is some use of this technique in the 19th centur
Hi folks... good discussion here... thanks,
> Just how many extant garments do we have to make that assumption on? I
> > would personally think that gores varied ... some pointy, some not.
>
> I didn't say "no gores in the 13th century are sharp." I said it's a
> mistake
> to assume, from the ev
Suggestions? hmmm
If I were enamored of the pointy points, and having trouble getting
them, I'd most likely treat the last couple of inches (either side of
the gore top) almost as an applique on top of the main piece of fabric
(combining the regular seam allowance idea with a technique from
> That being said, my hand sewn gores suck (ok, *I* think they suck). I
> prefer the pointy gores because it's my personal opinion (based on ZERO
> objective or statistical evidence) that they were more common. And I'll
> keep doing them that way until I get them right :) My major problem is
>
I agree with Robin on the duplicating period techniques (or getting as close
as possible) is usually the best way to duplicate a period result. Modern
techniques are usually the result of technological process evolution, and
may come up with a result that is often easier to learn, or looks "be
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Marie Stewart wrote:
> I hand sew everything... and my gores are razor sharp. All it ever
> takes is practice. As for no gores in the 13th century being sharp...
> Just how many extant garments do we have to make that assumption on? I
> would personally think that gores varie
I hand sew everything... and my gores are razor sharp. All it ever takes is
practice. As for no gores in the 13th century being sharp... Just how many
extant garments do we have to make that assumption on? I would personally
think that gores varied ... some pointy, some not.
YMMV,
Bridgette
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Cin wrote:
> >Now, about that top point. Don't try to do it on the machine! Yes, it can
> >be done, but it requires a lot of finagling and can cause a lot of
> >frustration. Consider that the people who used this construction were
> >working by hand -- this was never designed
>Now, about that top point. Don't try to do it on the machine! Yes, it can
>be done, but it requires a lot of finagling and can cause a lot of
>frustration. Consider that the people who used this construction were
>working by hand -- this was never designed to be done by machine. It's
>much, much s
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