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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:03 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re:
At 11:35 PM 02/08/2005, joeuser wrote:
Ever figure this out?
Windows reinstall appears to have fixed it. There was another strange
symptom: If I booted the system with a CD in the drive, it could read that
CD until I removed it.
T
http://microsoft.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000533052770
Genuine Windows Validation fixed
Posted Aug 1, 2005, 6:27 PM ET by Marc Orchant
Microsoft has updated the Windows Genuine Validation tool to circumvent the
hack exposed last week that allowed the system to be bypassed with a snippet
of
At 09:23 AM 03/08/2005, Bobby Heid wrote:
Microsoft has updated the Windows Genuine Validation tool to circumvent the
hack exposed last week that allowed the system to be bypassed with a snippet
of JavaScript code. The Validation is now a two-step process that first
generates a code and then has
At 10:45 AM 03/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
Yeah, I mean what right do they have to protect their products against
piracy?!?!?!
MICROSOFT SUXX LUNIX 4 EVA
Huh? I don't have a problem with someone protecting themselves against
piracy, and I never said I did. Nor did I mention Linux (you keep
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
Yeah, I mean what right do they have to protect their products against
piracy?!?!?!
There was this ball that little kids got to play with. Most of the time
the kids put it away when they were done playing with it, but occasionally
they forgot. Mommy
How much time is involved in doing WGA?
As for being an unpaid policeman, I hardly think so. I see all of the
OEM System Builder promo emails. I also know that MS does a lot to
support their OEM's.
WGA _is_ your protection against the pirate stores. The black market for
Windows should
At 10:56 AM 03/08/2005, Christopher Fisk wrote:
Also, your insinuation that Thane supports the piracy of any products in
his business is appalling. If Thane is on tight margins for updates and
spyware removal, etc, then adding a part where He has to be there for
interaction during an update
Christopher Fisk wrote:
Normally this wouldn't be an issue for the kid, he would just ride his
bicycle, except that all the kids friends ever wanted to do was play
ball. They were afraid of the bicycle.
You _have_ to be kidding me. WGA takes less than 10 seconds to do. After
that, you don't
Thane,
If you got the impression that I insinuated that you condoned piracy in
your business, pleas accept my apologies for that *misunderstanding.*
-ben
Thane Sherrington wrote:
At 10:56 AM 03/08/2005, Christopher Fisk wrote:
Also, your insinuation that Thane supports the piracy of any
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
Christopher Fisk wrote:
Normally this wouldn't be an issue for the kid, he would just ride his
bicycle, except that all the kids friends ever wanted to do was play ball.
They were afraid of the bicycle.
You _have_ to be kidding me. WGA takes less than
Seriously Ben, have you noticed that people here hardly see eye to eye with
you? Is it because you aim to piss people off?
Let's take a look at this from Thane's perspective. Software has always been
available to the option of lower prices. However, the software companies
allege that the piracy
I wish MS would offer these discounts to me. a OEM whitebox
builder.
what's next, a waiting period like the brady bill used to
be.
I can not compete on new systems anymore, SW prices are thru the roof. If
MS wants to really get rid of pirates they need to lower prices, at least
to MS partners
I have no problem with WGA.
At the same time, I have a big problem with the idiocy of the method which
they use during a pre-install; if I do a sysprepped factory pre-install, I
should be able to do windows update without activating. I don't want to
activate windows before I reseal it to give it
At 10:33 AM 8/3/2005, Chris Reeves typed:
At the same time, I have a big problem with the idiocy of the method which
they use during a pre-install; if I do a sysprepped factory pre-install, I
should be able to do windows update without activating. I don't want to
activate windows before I
Agreed.
FORC5 wrote:
I wish MS would offer these discounts to me. a OEM whitebox builder.
what's next, a waiting period like the brady bill used to be.
I can not compete on new systems anymore, SW prices are thru the roof.
If MS wants to really get rid of pirates they need to lower prices,
Can you use SUS to load all of the updates instead of using Windows Update?
Come to think about it, I think that most large OEM's just ship with
what the latest service pack is and let the customer handle any
additional updates.
Chris Reeves wrote:
I have no problem with WGA.
At the same
At 10:32 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset typed:
To get the free licence you need to file a piracy report against the OEM
and provide a receipt for your PC. That's their ammo to go after the black
market OEM's. From there it all rolls uphill. They WILL find the people
distributing pirated XP into the
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
Christopher Fisk wrote:
The bicycle was the alternative to Windows, not WGA. WGA was the mother
coming out and putting her kid into timeout and docking his allowance for
not going in every 5 minutes and signing for the ball.
I is dumb. Tell me where
First off, do you have any idea how long it takes a lawsuit to move
through the courts? Second, how do you know FOR SURE that nothing has
been done or is in the works? Maybe they didn't shut down the
Either way, WGA will block the FCKGW and like keys. So the problem is
solved. Microsoft
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
I just looked on NewEgg. XP Pro OEM in a 3 pack works out to $147.65
each. XP Home OEM works out to $89.98. I am sure that the discounts get
better from Ingram or TechData, and likely much better if you buy in
greater bulk.
To legally buy OEM versions of
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
First off, do you have any idea how long it takes a lawsuit to move through
the courts? Second, how do you know FOR SURE that nothing has been done or is
in the works? Maybe they didn't shut down the
Either way, WGA will block the FCKGW and like keys. So
Seriously, though, I would agree with this.. it's one thing (in my mind) if
Joe bob brother gives his friend a copy.. but it's different when it's being
sold. That having been said, I've known of storefronts that pushed out tons
with cracked copies.. they were reported.. the reason why we say
Yep. Most large OEMs don't do more then the latest SP2 or a rollup, but
never all updates. But what most white box manufacturers live by is the
promise to people that, like Krispy Kreme, it's made fresh and up to date.
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actually it is closer to impossible to be completely legal
in the eyes of MS. being able to validate is not the same as legal.
Hell, it is not even legal to re use the SW if you destroy the old box
and build a new one. I can buy cheapy systems with windows installed for
less than the sw would
my source is $144, still way to high.
OK, system builders on the list, what are your sources. Mine has been
Buy101 ?
I went to Chucks vendor he recommended but did not want to fill out a
credit apt from them to be a partner, I already have a business credit
card I use.
FWIW Fry's had a MB/chip
Yes, that's right.
Christopher Fisk wrote:
To legally buy OEM versions of software you generally need to buy
hardware at the same time right? And am I also correct in thinking you
can't resell them without an OEM agreement with Microsoft? I'm a novice
in this area, so my lack of knowledge
You don't think that MS won't go after these companies when they have to
give out free XP licences to the end users???
Christopher Fisk wrote:
WHAT? Microsoft benefits by allowing the Black Market OEM's to continue
selling illegal versions of Windows? WGA will block those keys, but it
We used to use Ingram.
FORC5 wrote:
my source is $144, still way to high.
OK, system builders on the list, what are your sources. Mine has been
Buy101 ?
I went to Chucks vendor he recommended but did not want to fill out a
credit apt from them to be a partner, I already have a business
At 12:15 PM 03/08/2005, FORC5 wrote:
my source is $144, still way to high.
I pay $92 Cdn for Home, $150 Cdn for Pro.
T
At 12:19 PM 03/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
You don't think that MS won't go after these companies when they have to
give out free XP licences to the end users???
They never have in the past. I have reported two companies two or three
times a year for four years. The result? Nothing. MS
I keep a bunch of stuff on a thumb drive I use on calls, and a backup on the
hard drive ( having lived thru a thumb drive failure or two )
Have been manually keeping these in synch.
Any program out there to do this ? Thought of Karen's power tools but do not
see the backup utility on her web
In Oz MSretailsXP Pro (Full) for
US$370...that's equivalent to the take home pay of many aussiesno wonder
many feel MS is gouging the consumer
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From:
FORC5
$19.95 and piracy would *almost*
vanish.:{)and that is more than Dell paysFWIW I find it un
soz for the html postzigged when I should've zagged... :(
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From: Steve
To: The Hardware List
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
In Oz MS retails XP Pro (Full) for US$370...that's equivalent to
Microsoft is not going to stop piracy by shutting down Mom Pop shops.
The amount of money they need to invest in the court system vs. the
amount of money they will get is low. What Microsoft is more interested
in are the people selling counterfeit copies into the channel, selling
software
And most people are not buying XP Pro in retail form. They will either
get it from an OEM, or find a way of buying an OEM licence.
Steve wrote:
In Oz MS retails XP Pro (Full) for US$370...that's equivalent to the
take home pay of many aussiesno wonder many feel MS is gouging the
consumer
I use Karen's Power Tools for this. It is called Replicator. It is kind of
neat. I have it set up at home to do rolling synchs by day of the week.
http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp
Bobby
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Oh man, we got audited good and lost the ability to sell Academic
versions of M$ Adobe (IIRC,long time back) which was one of our main
draws.
The reseller we sold to WAS fined big time for exporting said software
to markets it wasn't intended for. Loss of the revenue stream took a lot
out
Yeah but most people buy their PC's from OEMs, which will have Windows
already loaded. Why would they buy another copy?
Steve wrote:
Average Joe knows diddly sqat about oem, upgrade, full etc...retail
chain stores are stocked with full upgrade versions..
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Sorry, I meant they got a judgement against them.
FORC5 wrote:
fined by whom ? MS cannot fine anybody, only Gov can do that.
courts would be judgements
fp
At 09:02 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
Case in point: The OEM I used to work for got a smoking deal on Office
97 Pro for
semantics, I'm sorry, just hit the WTF button I guess
:-|
At 10:16 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
Sorry, I meant they got a
judgement against them.
FORC5 wrote:
fined by whom ? MS cannot fine
anybody, only Gov can do that.
courts would be judgements
fp
At 09:02 AM 8/3/2005, Ben
At 02:58 PM 03/08/2005, Chris Reeves wrote:
*laugh* I wouldn't refer to it as multimedia crap I've used more boxes
with MCE then anything else, at good margins; it's a unique setup when
configured with the right HDTV display, tuner cards.. and more and more
functions keep improving it.. SIRIUS
I didn't mean crap as in a reflection of it's quality, just as a generic
word I use to describe a bunch of features. I have setup XP MCE once and
was very impressed with it.
I do, however, like XBox Media Center on my XBox more. :)
Chris Reeves wrote:
*laugh* I wouldn't refer to it as
At 01:15 PM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset typed:
Yeah but most people buy their PC's from OEMs, which will have Windows
already loaded. Why would they buy another copy?
Maybe because they know that their buddy loaded the FCKGW version they
want to upgrade. ;-)
--+--
Wayne D.
We had a local chain, in Spokane, sued by MS three or four years ago for
selling pirate copies, from CA or China, or somewhere in between. I guess
they were selling all manner of MS products. They are still in business,
with three store, but I don't think they sell any MS products anymore and
Yep, I'm Sabre Of Elemental lvl 14 :)
_
Julian Zottl
CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff
the right packets
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From:
We had 3 Windows 2003 servers flake out in the last 2 days. no updates
done, no patches, no nothing, just during a normal reboot they hung at
applying computer settings.
When we unplugged the ethernet we were able to log in, but things like
IIS, PCAnywhere, SQL Server were not starting
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From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
And as you know not all updates chain the same way as it depends on
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From: Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
To legally buy OEM versions of software you generally need to buy
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From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: [H] was Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already/ Sources
for SW
I went to Chucks vendor he recommended but did not want to
if the prices are worth it I'll jump thru the hoops but
difficult decision without seeing the prices
fp
At 02:53 PM 8/3/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poked the stick
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From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday,
I'm not sure that the HW is a requirement from MS, some DSP
OEM's sell without the HW. May be up to the individual vendor. Makes no
sense since MS does not make HW ( well other then input devices AFAIK
)
fp
At 02:51 PM 8/3/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poked the stick
with:
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At 20:31 8/3/2005, Harry McGregor, wrote:
I am putting together a system spec for a friend and am missing one, and
only one part...
The barebones only have one 3 1/2 bay, and it's already in use by an
included 7 in 1 flash reader.
I want a floppy drive (yea, I know, boo hiss, but it can come in
or cyberguys has stuff like this, retail anyway
Harry McGregor wrote:
I am putting together a system spec for a friend and am missing one, and
only one part...
The barebones only have one 3 1/2 bay, and it's already in use by an
included 7 in 1 flash reader.
I want a floppy drive (yea, I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then came Service Pack 1 and later, Service Pack 2 for updating Windows
XP. Then they quit, as far as I know. It is time for another CD that
either includes Service Pack 2 or should be used after Service Pack 2
(stand alone or slipstream installation).
You can
No, it's a requirement from MS. To be sold with non peripheral hardware
only.
FORC5 wrote:
I'm not sure that the HW is a requirement from MS, some DSP OEM's sell
without the HW. May be up to the individual vendor. Makes no sense since
MS does not make HW ( well other then input devices AFAIK
Nothing other than I want controls, these ppl are new to me
and I have a credit card, they do not need it. I do not want their
credit, just the product.
fp
At 09:41 PM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
What does filling out a credit
app hurt?
FORC5 wrote:
if the prices are worth it I'll
still some dsp oem's do not require this, must have a
different agreement.
what ever the 400lb gorilla wants I guess :{)
f[
At 09:40 PM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
No, it's a requirement from MS.
To be sold with non peripheral hardware only.
FORC5 wrote:
I'm not sure that the HW is
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