Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-09 Thread joeuser
I can answer that question. Newegg and ABS computers is one and the same. They deny it, but I have done business with both for awhile. Ben Ruset wrote: I think we were talking more about consumers buying XP OEM on their own, rather than System Builders. But the question is, how is NewEgg g

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-09 Thread joeuser
LOL. Ben Ruset wrote: inexpensive FORC5 wrote: cheap ??? At 11:31 AM 8/9/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: But the question is, how is NewEgg getting the OEM licences so cheap? And what can you, as a system builder, do to get it as cheap? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- N

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-09 Thread Ben Ruset
inexpensive FORC5 wrote: cheap ??? At 11:31 AM 8/9/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: But the question is, how is NewEgg getting the OEM licences so cheap? And what can you, as a system builder, do to get it as cheap? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Nobody shoots at Santa Claus

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-09 Thread FORC5
cheap ??? At 11:31 AM 8/9/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: But the question is, how is NewEgg getting the OEM licences so cheap? And what can you, as a system builder, do to get it as cheap? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Nobody shoots at Santa Claus.

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-09 Thread Ben Ruset
- From: "Ben Ruset" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "The Hardware List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already You can buy the OEM edition with parts that you buy from New

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-09 Thread FORC5
what difference does it make ASI or Newegg ? pretty sure you can not get your sw direct at our level or partner. last time I read the OEM agreement it only said you have to comply with it which pretty much is you have to support it, not MS fp At 05:48 AM 8/9/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poked the stic

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-09 Thread CW
ge- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue,  9 Aug 2005 06:50:01 -0500 To: "The Hardware List" hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already > > - Original Message - > From: "Ben Ruset" <[EMAI

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-09 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: "Ben Ruset" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "The Hardware List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already You can buy the OEM

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-04 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 08:14 PM 8/4/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Yall holler every time one rolls out. I want it! I know of none for XP since the SP2 CD. No Update Rollups since Sp2 but for the record there was an Update Rollup 1 for Xp that came out between Sp1 & Sp2

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-04 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Hardware List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already After Service Packs that is exactly what MSF

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-04 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 05:07 AM 8/4/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: I have the CD to install SP2 on an installation that either has or does not have SP1. My point was that Microsoft from time to time should release a "catch up" CD that updates you to the date that "catch up" CD was released. There are many updates

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-04 Thread Ben Ruset
4, 2005 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already You can order XP SP2 on CD, and it's free including shipping. It even gets to you quick. The last one I ordered took about 4 days. I have the CD to install SP2 on an installation that either has or

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-04 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: "Ben Ruset" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "The Hardware List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already You can order XP SP2 o

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-04 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 12:39 AM 8/4/2005, Ben Ruset typed: XP OEM needs to be sold with a "non peripheral" part. That's about as unabmbigious as they put it. They are OK with it being sold with a mouse. I've seen it sold with an IDE ribbon cable as well. I think you meant "ambiguous" which is "Open to more than o

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread FORC5
still some dsp oem's do not require this, must have a different agreement. what ever the 400lb gorilla wants I guess :{) f[ At 09:40 PM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: No, it's a requirement from MS. To be sold with non peripheral hardware only. FORC5 wrote: I'm not sure that the HW is

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
No, it's a requirement from MS. To be sold with non peripheral hardware only. FORC5 wrote: I'm not sure that the HW is a requirement from MS, some DSP OEM's sell without the HW. May be up to the individual vendor. Makes no sense since MS does not make HW ( well other then input devices AFAIK )

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
, August 03, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already In Oz MS retails XP Pro (Full) for US$370...that's equivalent to the take home pay of many aussiesno wonder many> feel MS is gouging the consumer Most Full versions of

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
XP OEM needs to be sold with a "non peripheral" part. That's about as unabmbigious as they put it. They are OK with it being sold with a mouse. I've seen it sold with an IDE ribbon cable as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen Windows XP Home OEM kits shipped with one screw (to qualify

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then came Service Pack 1 and later, Service Pack 2 for updating Windows XP. Then they quit, as far as I know. It is time for another CD that either includes Service Pack 2 or should be used after Service Pack 2 (stand alone or slipstream installation). You can orde

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread FORC5
al Message - From: "Christopher Fisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Hardware List" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already To legally buy OEM versions of software you generally need to

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Hardware List" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already In Oz MS retails XP Pro (Full) for US$370...that&#

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: "Christopher Fisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Hardware List" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already To legally buy OEM versions of software y

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Hardware List" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already And as you know not all updates chain the sam

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: "FORC5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Hardware List" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already I wish MS would offer these discounts to me. a OEM

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread jeff.lane
From: "Chris Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already Seriously, though, I would agree with this.. it's one thing (in my mind) if Joe bob brother gives his friend a copy.. but it's different when it's

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 01:15 PM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset typed: Yeah but most people buy their PC's from OEMs, which will have Windows already loaded. Why would they buy another copy? Maybe because they know that their buddy loaded the FCKGW version & they want to upgrade. ;-) --+-- Wayne D. John

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread FORC5
semantics, I'm sorry, just hit the WTF button I guess <:-| At 10:16 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Sorry, I meant they got a judgement against them. FORC5 wrote: fined by whom ? MS cannot fine anybody, only Gov can do that. courts would be judgements fp At 09:02 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Rus

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Sorry, I meant they got a judgement against them. FORC5 wrote: fined by whom ? MS cannot fine anybody, only Gov can do that. courts would be judgements fp At 09:02 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Case in point: The OEM I used to work for got a smoking deal on Office 97 Pro for $9

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
l Message - From: Ben Ruset To: The Hardware List Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: [hardware] Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already And most people are not buying XP Pro in retail form. They will either get it from an OEM, or find a way of buying an OEM licence.

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread warpmedia
Oh man, we got audited good and lost the ability to sell Academic versions of M$ & Adobe (IIRC,long time back) which was one of our main draws. The reseller we sold to WAS fined big time for exporting said software to markets it wasn't intended for. Loss of the revenue stream took a lot out o

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread FORC5
fined by whom ? MS cannot fine anybody, only Gov can do that. courts would be judgements fp At 09:02 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Case in point: The OEM I used to work for got a smoking deal on Office 97 Pro for $99/copy. It looked like an OEM copy, but in fact was an "Easy Fuf

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 01:02 PM 03/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: Microsoft is not going to stop piracy by shutting down Mom & Pop shops. The amount of money they need to invest in the court system vs. the amount of money they will get is low. What Microsoft is more interested in are the people selling counterfeit copi

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Steve
Average Joe knows diddly sqat about oem, upgrade, full etc...retail chain stores are stocked with full & upgrade versions.. - Original Message - From: Ben Ruset To: The Hardware List Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:03 AM Subject: [hardware] Re: [H] Microsoft's

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
And most people are not buying XP Pro in retail form. They will either get it from an OEM, or find a way of buying an OEM licence. Steve wrote: In Oz MS retails XP Pro (Full) for US$370...that's equivalent to the take home pay of many aussiesno wonder many feel MS is gouging the consumer

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Microsoft is not going to stop piracy by shutting down Mom & Pop shops. The amount of money they need to invest in the court system vs. the amount of money they will get is low. What Microsoft is more interested in are the people selling counterfeit copies into the channel, selling software tha

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Steve
soz for the html postzigged when I should've zagged... :( - Original Message - From: Steve To: The Hardware List Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already In Oz MS retails XP Pro (Full) for US$370

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Steve
In Oz MS retails XP Pro (Full) for US$370...that's equivalent to the take home pay of many aussiesno wonder many feel MS is gouging the consumer   - Original Message - From: FORC5 $19.95 and piracy would *almost* vanish.:{)and that is more than Dell paysFWIW I find it

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 12:19 PM 03/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: You don't think that MS won't go after these companies when they have to give out free XP licences to the end users??? They never have in the past. I have reported two companies two or three times a year for four years. The result? Nothing. MS doesn

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: Yes, that's right. So how does this help people like Thane who are trying to sell OS licenses with thier whiteboxes? Christopher Fisk -- Susie: You'd get a good grade without doing any work. Calvin: So? Susie: It's wrong to get rewards you haven't earne

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: You don't think that MS won't go after these companies when they have to give out free XP licences to the end users??? Here is what you said: "Either way, WGA will block the FCKGW and like keys. So the problem is solved. Microsoft benefits by not having to

RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread FORC5
I know of a local shop who was selling what he thought was legal copies of office, the MS police showed up and threatened him that they were illegal and to cease. When he asked how he could tell what was legal they said only they would decide. Very BSy. When the 400 pound Gorilla says hop all you

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
You don't think that MS won't go after these companies when they have to give out free XP licences to the end users??? Christopher Fisk wrote: WHAT? Microsoft benefits by allowing the Black Market OEM's to continue selling illegal versions of Windows? WGA will block those keys, but it doesn

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Yes, that's right. Christopher Fisk wrote: To legally buy OEM versions of software you generally need to buy hardware at the same time right? And am I also correct in thinking you can't resell them without an OEM agreement with Microsoft? I'm a novice in this area, so my lack of knowledge

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread FORC5
actually it is closer to impossible to be completely legal in the eyes of MS. being able to validate is not the same as legal. Hell, it is not even legal to re use the SW if you destroy the old box and build a new one. I can buy cheapy systems with windows installed for less than the sw would co

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread FORC5
$19.95 and piracy would *almost* vanish. :{) and that is more than Dell pays FWIW I find it un American to pay money for something you purchase but do not own. At 07:44 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: XP Pro costs $229.95 in retail form. This also includes tech support from Microsoft

RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Chris Reeves
CTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:46 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already Can you use SUS to load all of the updates instead of using Windows Update? Come to think about it, I think t

RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Chris Reeves
a filing regarding it somewhere, and the person being sued would know about it. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:57 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Adva

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: First off, do you have any idea how long it takes a lawsuit to move through the courts? Second, how do you know FOR SURE that nothing has been done or is in the works? Maybe they didn't shut down the Either way, WGA will block the FCKGW and like keys. So t

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: I just looked on NewEgg. XP Pro OEM in a 3 pack works out to $147.65 each. XP Home OEM works out to $89.98. I am sure that the discounts get better from Ingram or TechData, and likely much better if you buy in greater bulk. To legally buy OEM versions of

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
First off, do you have any idea how long it takes a lawsuit to move through the courts? Second, how do you know FOR SURE that nothing has been done or is in the works? Maybe they didn't shut down the Either way, WGA will block the FCKGW and like keys. So the problem is solved. Microsoft benefi

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
I just looked on NewEgg. XP Pro OEM in a 3 pack works out to $147.65 each. XP Home OEM works out to $89.98. I am sure that the discounts get better from Ingram or TechData, and likely much better if you buy in greater bulk. joeuser wrote: Agreed. FORC5 wrote: I wish MS would offer these d

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: Christopher Fisk wrote: The bicycle was the alternative to Windows, not WGA. WGA was the mother coming out and putting her kid into timeout and docking his allowance for not going in every 5 minutes and signing for the ball. I is dumb. Tell me where

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 10:32 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset typed: To get the free licence you need to file a piracy report against the OEM and provide a receipt for your PC. That's their ammo to go after the black market OEM's. From there it all rolls uphill. They WILL find the people distributing pirated XP into the cha

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Can you use SUS to load all of the updates instead of using Windows Update? Come to think about it, I think that most large OEM's just ship with what the latest service pack is and let the customer handle any additional updates. Chris Reeves wrote: I have no problem with WGA. At the same ti

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Tony Antoniou wrote: Seriously Ben, have you noticed that people here hardly see eye to eye with you? Is it because you aim to piss people off? No, but it may have a lot to do with the fact that I'm not in the cool 'lets hate microsoft no matter what they do' club. And for a lot of issues (I

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread joeuser
Agreed. FORC5 wrote: I wish MS would offer these discounts to me. a OEM whitebox builder. what's next, a waiting period like the brady bill used to be. I can not compete on new systems anymore, SW prices are thru the roof. If MS wants to really get rid of pirates they need to lower prices,

RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 10:33 AM 8/3/2005, Chris Reeves typed: At the same time, I have a big problem with the idiocy of the method which they use during a pre-install; if I do a sysprepped factory pre-install, I should be able to do windows update without activating. I don't want to activate windows before I reseal

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Christopher Fisk wrote: The bicycle was the alternative to Windows, not WGA. WGA was the mother coming out and putting her kid into timeout and docking his allowance for not going in every 5 minutes and signing for the ball. I is dumb. Tell me where the every 5 minute thing comes in? Becau

RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Chris Reeves
e Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already Christopher Fisk wrote: > Normally this wouldn't be an issue for the kid, he would just ride his > bicycle, except that all the kids friends ever wanted to do was play > ball. They were afra

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread FORC5
I wish MS would offer these discounts to me. a OEM whitebox builder. what's next, a waiting period like the brady bill used to  be. I can not compete on new systems anymore, SW prices are thru the roof. If MS wants to really get rid of pirates they need to lower prices, at least to MS partners t

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Thane Sherrington wrote: Actually, you did. You pretty much stated that I thought that people shouldn't be able to protect themselves from piracy. Then you went on an anti-Linux rant. It was pretty weird. Most of the people complaining about WGA are people who have some pretty weird beefs

RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Tony Antoniou
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2005 12:03 To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already How much "time" is involved in doing WGA? As for being an unpaid policeman, I hardly th

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: Christopher Fisk wrote: Normally this wouldn't be an issue for the kid, he would just ride his bicycle, except that all the kids friends ever wanted to do was play ball. They were afraid of the bicycle. You _have_ to be kidding me. WGA takes less than

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 11:09 AM 03/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: First off, I NEVER insinuated that. I like Thane and respect him, and respect the fact that he is an OEM trying to survive in a highly competitive world. I used to work at a whitebox OEM, so I know the deal. Actually, you did. You pretty much stated th

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Thane, If you got the impression that I insinuated that you condoned piracy in your business, pleas accept my apologies for that *misunderstanding.* -ben Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:56 AM 03/08/2005, Christopher Fisk wrote: Also, your insinuation that Thane supports the piracy of any pro

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Christopher Fisk wrote: Normally this wouldn't be an issue for the kid, he would just ride his bicycle, except that all the kids friends ever wanted to do was play ball. They were afraid of the bicycle. You _have_ to be kidding me. WGA takes less than 10 seconds to do. After that, you don't

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 10:56 AM 03/08/2005, Christopher Fisk wrote: Also, your insinuation that Thane supports the piracy of any products in his business is appalling. If Thane is on tight margins for updates and spyware removal, etc, then adding a part where He has to be there for interaction during an update is

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
How much "time" is involved in doing WGA? As for being an unpaid policeman, I hardly think so. I see all of the OEM System Builder promo emails. I also know that MS does a lot to support their OEM's. WGA _is_ your protection against the pirate stores. The black market for Windows should feas

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Christopher Fisk
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote: Yeah, I mean what right do they have to protect their products against piracy?!?!?! There was this ball that little kids got to play with. Most of the time the kids put it away when they were done playing with it, but occasionally they forgot. Mommy had

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 10:45 AM 03/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote: Yeah, I mean what right do they have to protect their products against piracy?!?!?! MICROSOFT SUXX LUNIX 4 EVA Huh? I don't have a problem with someone protecting themselves against piracy, and I never said I did. Nor did I mention Linux (you keep b

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Ruset
Yeah, I mean what right do they have to protect their products against piracy?!?!?! MICROSOFT SUXX LUNIX 4 EVA Thane Sherrington wrote: Unfortunately, the entire process is very generous with my time. Does MS do anything to make up for the extra time they cost me? Lower software prices due

RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Tony Antoniou
7;The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already http://microsoft.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000533052770 Genuine Windows Validation fixed Posted Aug 1, 2005, 6:27 PM ET by Marc Orchant Microsoft has updated the Windows Genuine Validation to

RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 09:23 AM 03/08/2005, Bobby Heid wrote: Microsoft has updated the Windows Genuine Validation tool to circumvent the hack exposed last week that allowed the system to be bypassed with a snippet of JavaScript code. The Validation is now a two-step process that first generates a code and then has

RE: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-08-03 Thread Bobby Heid
: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html Microsoft "Genuine Advantage" cracked in 24h: window.g_sDisableWGACheck='all' AV sez, "This week,

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-30 Thread FORC5
At 12:33 PM 7/30/2005, Winterlight Poked the stick with: In the end I think it will be a win win for MS. M$ never looses BTW, I have tried this trick on a virtual machine. If I upgrade with the check and then disable it, I can't get Windows Update to load, but if I turn it back on and use the di

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-30 Thread Winterlight
Here's something to think about. If MS can't write code to protect it's own income source, how the heck can one ever expect them to write code that will adequately protect an end-user's computer? T I think this is by design. They know they can not defeat the user who will actively search

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-30 Thread Eli Allen
quot; Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already At 10:28 AM 29/07/2005, Bobby Heid wrote: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html Microsoft "Genuine Advantage" cracked in 24h: window.g_sDi

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-30 Thread chuck
- Original Message - From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Hardware List" Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already >>You can also go to Tools, Manage Add-ons in

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread Wayne Johnson
At 09:55 AM 7/29/2005, JRS typed: You can also go to Tools, Manage Add-ons in IE, and disable it from there. Does the same thing. Exactly which one as I don't see anything listed there. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread Steve
oops! mis-read that. "Windows Genuine Advantage:...but you knew that already didn't you :)   - Original Message - From: FORC5 To: The Hardware List Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:15 AM Subject: [hardware] Re: [H] Microsoft'

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread Steve
-- Original Message - From: FORC5 To: The Hardware List Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:15 AM Subject: [hardware] Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already just curious which add on

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread JRS
Ah, it shows up as "Windows Genuine Advantage" after you let the latest update install itself at the Windows Update page. >>just curious which add on >> >>At 06:55 AM 7/29/2005, JRS Poked the stick with: >> >>>LOL.. >>> >>>You can also go to Tools, Manage Add-ons in IE, and disable it from th

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread CW
riginal message- From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:37:12 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already > At 10:28 AM 29/07/2005, Bobby Heid wrote: > >http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread FORC5
just curious which add on At 06:55 AM 7/29/2005, JRS Poked the stick with: LOL.. You can also go to Tools, Manage Add-ons in IE, and disable it from there. Does the same thing.  Dunno how long before MS changes that so you can't disable it any longer. >> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/mi

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread JRS
LOL.. You can also go to Tools, Manage Add-ons in IE, and disable it from there. Does the same thing. Dunno how long before MS changes that so you can't disable it any longer. >>http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html >> >>Microsoft "Genuine Advantage" cracked in 24

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread Brian Weeden
LOL. -- Brian

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 10:28 AM 29/07/2005, Bobby Heid wrote: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html Microsoft "Genuine Advantage" cracked in 24h: window.g_sDisableWGACheck='all' Here's something to think about. If MS can't write code to protect it's own income source, how the heck can o

Re: [H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread Thane Sherrington
At 10:28 AM 29/07/2005, Bobby Heid wrote: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html Love it! I gotta say that this Genuine Advantage crap is adding work for me (only a minute or two per machine, true, but at five to ten machines a day, it adds up.) T

[H] Microsoft's "Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already

2005-07-29 Thread Bobby Heid
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html Microsoft "Genuine Advantage" cracked in 24h: window.g_sDisableWGACheck='all' AV sez, "This week, Microsoft started requiring users to verifiy their serial number before using Windows Update. This effort to force users to either buy X