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Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
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From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:39 AM
what difference does it make ASI or Newegg ? pretty sure you
can not get your sw direct at our level or partner.
last time I read the OEM agreement it only said you have to comply with
it which pretty much is you have to support it, not MS
fp
At 05:48 AM 8/9/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poked the
- From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
You can buy the OEM edition with parts that you buy from Newegg or
anybody else
cheap ???
At 11:31 AM 8/9/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
But the question is, how is
NewEgg getting the OEM licences so cheap? And what can you, as a system
builder, do to get it as cheap?
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Tallyho ! ]:8)
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Nobody shoots at Santa Claus.
inexpensive
FORC5 wrote:
cheap ???
At 11:31 AM 8/9/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
But the question is, how is NewEgg getting the OEM licences so cheap?
And what can you, as a system builder, do to get it as cheap?
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Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
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Nobody shoots at Santa
LOL.
Ben Ruset wrote:
inexpensive
FORC5 wrote:
cheap ???
At 11:31 AM 8/9/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
But the question is, how is NewEgg getting the OEM licences so cheap?
And what can you, as a system builder, do to get it as cheap?
--
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
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At 12:39 AM 8/4/2005, Ben Ruset typed:
XP OEM needs to be sold with a non peripheral part. That's about as
unabmbigious as they put it. They are OK with it being sold with a mouse.
I've seen it sold with an IDE ribbon cable as well.
I think you meant ambiguous which is Open to more than one
- Original Message -
From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List
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Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
You can order XP SP2 on CD, and it's free including
: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
You can order XP SP2 on CD, and it's free including shipping. It even
gets to you quick. The last one I ordered took about 4 days.
I have the CD to install SP2 on an installation that either has or does
not have SP1. My point
At 05:07 AM 8/4/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
I have the CD to install SP2 on an installation that either has or does
not have SP1. My point was that Microsoft from time to time should release
a catch up CD that updates you to the date that catch up CD was
released. There are many updates
At 08:14 PM 8/4/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
Yall holler every time one rolls out. I want it! I know of none for XP
since the SP2 CD.
No Update Rollups since Sp2 but for the record there was an Update Rollup 1
for Xp that came out between Sp1 Sp2
To: 'The Hardware List'
Subject: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html
Microsoft Genuine Advantage cracked in 24h:
window.g_sDisableWGACheck='all'
AV sez, This week, Microsoft started requiring users to verifiy their
serial
At 09:23 AM 03/08/2005, Bobby Heid wrote:
Microsoft has updated the Windows Genuine Validation tool to circumvent the
hack exposed last week that allowed the system to be bypassed with a snippet
of JavaScript code. The Validation is now a two-step process that first
generates a code and then has
At 10:45 AM 03/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
Yeah, I mean what right do they have to protect their products against
piracy?!?!?!
MICROSOFT SUXX LUNIX 4 EVA
Huh? I don't have a problem with someone protecting themselves against
piracy, and I never said I did. Nor did I mention Linux (you keep
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
Yeah, I mean what right do they have to protect their products against
piracy?!?!?!
There was this ball that little kids got to play with. Most of the time
the kids put it away when they were done playing with it, but occasionally
they forgot. Mommy
How much time is involved in doing WGA?
As for being an unpaid policeman, I hardly think so. I see all of the
OEM System Builder promo emails. I also know that MS does a lot to
support their OEM's.
WGA _is_ your protection against the pirate stores. The black market for
Windows should
At 10:56 AM 03/08/2005, Christopher Fisk wrote:
Also, your insinuation that Thane supports the piracy of any products in
his business is appalling. If Thane is on tight margins for updates and
spyware removal, etc, then adding a part where He has to be there for
interaction during an update
Christopher Fisk wrote:
Normally this wouldn't be an issue for the kid, he would just ride his
bicycle, except that all the kids friends ever wanted to do was play
ball. They were afraid of the bicycle.
You _have_ to be kidding me. WGA takes less than 10 seconds to do. After
that, you don't
Thane,
If you got the impression that I insinuated that you condoned piracy in
your business, pleas accept my apologies for that *misunderstanding.*
-ben
Thane Sherrington wrote:
At 10:56 AM 03/08/2005, Christopher Fisk wrote:
Also, your insinuation that Thane supports the piracy of any
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
Christopher Fisk wrote:
Normally this wouldn't be an issue for the kid, he would just ride his
bicycle, except that all the kids friends ever wanted to do was play ball.
They were afraid of the bicycle.
You _have_ to be kidding me. WGA takes less than
] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Thursday, 4 August 2005 12:03
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
How much time is involved in doing WGA?
As for being an unpaid policeman, I hardly think so. I see all of the
OEM System Builder promo emails. I also
I wish MS would offer these discounts to me. a OEM whitebox
builder.
what's next, a waiting period like the brady bill used to
be.
I can not compete on new systems anymore, SW prices are thru the roof. If
MS wants to really get rid of pirates they need to lower prices, at least
to MS partners
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
Christopher Fisk wrote:
Normally this wouldn't be an issue for the kid, he would just ride his
bicycle, except that all the kids friends ever wanted to do was play
ball. They were afraid of the bicycle.
You _have_ to be kidding me
At 10:33 AM 8/3/2005, Chris Reeves typed:
At the same time, I have a big problem with the idiocy of the method which
they use during a pre-install; if I do a sysprepped factory pre-install, I
should be able to do windows update without activating. I don't want to
activate windows before I
Agreed.
FORC5 wrote:
I wish MS would offer these discounts to me. a OEM whitebox builder.
what's next, a waiting period like the brady bill used to be.
I can not compete on new systems anymore, SW prices are thru the roof.
If MS wants to really get rid of pirates they need to lower prices,
Can you use SUS to load all of the updates instead of using Windows Update?
Come to think about it, I think that most large OEM's just ship with
what the latest service pack is and let the customer handle any
additional updates.
Chris Reeves wrote:
I have no problem with WGA.
At the same
At 10:32 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset typed:
To get the free licence you need to file a piracy report against the OEM
and provide a receipt for your PC. That's their ammo to go after the black
market OEM's. From there it all rolls uphill. They WILL find the people
distributing pirated XP into the
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
Christopher Fisk wrote:
The bicycle was the alternative to Windows, not WGA. WGA was the mother
coming out and putting her kid into timeout and docking his allowance for
not going in every 5 minutes and signing for the ball.
I is dumb. Tell me where
First off, do you have any idea how long it takes a lawsuit to move
through the courts? Second, how do you know FOR SURE that nothing has
been done or is in the works? Maybe they didn't shut down the
Either way, WGA will block the FCKGW and like keys. So the problem is
solved. Microsoft
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
I just looked on NewEgg. XP Pro OEM in a 3 pack works out to $147.65
each. XP Home OEM works out to $89.98. I am sure that the discounts get
better from Ingram or TechData, and likely much better if you buy in
greater bulk.
To legally buy OEM versions of
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
First off, do you have any idea how long it takes a lawsuit to move through
the courts? Second, how do you know FOR SURE that nothing has been done or is
in the works? Maybe they didn't shut down the
Either way, WGA will block the FCKGW and like keys. So
being sued would know about it.
:)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:57 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
First off, do you have any idea
] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:46 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
Can you use SUS to load all of the updates instead of using Windows Update?
Come to think about it, I think that most large OEM's just ship
actually it is closer to impossible to be completely legal
in the eyes of MS. being able to validate is not the same as legal.
Hell, it is not even legal to re use the SW if you destroy the old box
and build a new one. I can buy cheapy systems with windows installed for
less than the sw would
Yes, that's right.
Christopher Fisk wrote:
To legally buy OEM versions of software you generally need to buy
hardware at the same time right? And am I also correct in thinking you
can't resell them without an OEM agreement with Microsoft? I'm a novice
in this area, so my lack of knowledge
You don't think that MS won't go after these companies when they have to
give out free XP licences to the end users???
Christopher Fisk wrote:
WHAT? Microsoft benefits by allowing the Black Market OEM's to continue
selling illegal versions of Windows? WGA will block those keys, but it
At 12:19 PM 03/08/2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
You don't think that MS won't go after these companies when they have to
give out free XP licences to the end users???
They never have in the past. I have reported two companies two or three
times a year for four years. The result? Nothing. MS
In Oz MSretailsXP Pro (Full) for
US$370...that's equivalent to the take home pay of many aussiesno wonder
many feel MS is gouging the consumer
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From:
FORC5
$19.95 and piracy would *almost*
vanish.:{)and that is more than Dell paysFWIW I find it un
soz for the html postzigged when I should've zagged... :(
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From: Steve
To: The Hardware List
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
In Oz MS retails XP Pro (Full) for US$370...that's equivalent
Microsoft is not going to stop piracy by shutting down Mom Pop shops.
The amount of money they need to invest in the court system vs. the
amount of money they will get is low. What Microsoft is more interested
in are the people selling counterfeit copies into the channel, selling
software
And most people are not buying XP Pro in retail form. They will either
get it from an OEM, or find a way of buying an OEM licence.
Steve wrote:
In Oz MS retails XP Pro (Full) for US$370...that's equivalent to the
take home pay of many aussiesno wonder many feel MS is gouging the
consumer
Oh man, we got audited good and lost the ability to sell Academic
versions of M$ Adobe (IIRC,long time back) which was one of our main
draws.
The reseller we sold to WAS fined big time for exporting said software
to markets it wasn't intended for. Loss of the revenue stream took a lot
out
- From: Ben Ruset
To: The Hardware List
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:03 AM
Subject: [hardware] Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
And most people are not buying XP Pro in retail form. They will either
get it from an OEM, or find a way of buying an OEM licence.
Sorry, I meant they got a judgement against them.
FORC5 wrote:
fined by whom ? MS cannot fine anybody, only Gov can do that.
courts would be judgements
fp
At 09:02 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
Case in point: The OEM I used to work for got a smoking deal on Office
97 Pro for
semantics, I'm sorry, just hit the WTF button I guess
:-|
At 10:16 AM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
Sorry, I meant they got a
judgement against them.
FORC5 wrote:
fined by whom ? MS cannot fine
anybody, only Gov can do that.
courts would be judgements
fp
At 09:02 AM 8/3/2005, Ben
At 01:15 PM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset typed:
Yeah but most people buy their PC's from OEMs, which will have Windows
already loaded. Why would they buy another copy?
Maybe because they know that their buddy loaded the FCKGW version they
want to upgrade. ;-)
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Subject: RE: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
Seriously, though, I would agree with this.. it's one thing (in my mind)
if
Joe bob brother gives his friend a copy.. but it's different when it's
being
sold. That having been said, I've known of storefronts that pushed
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From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
And as you know not all updates chain the same way as it depends
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From: Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
To legally buy OEM versions of software you generally need to buy
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From: Christopher Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked
Already
To legally buy OEM versions of software you generally need to buy
hardware at the same time right
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then came Service Pack 1 and later, Service Pack 2 for updating Windows
XP. Then they quit, as far as I know. It is time for another CD that
either includes Service Pack 2 or should be used after Service Pack 2
(stand alone or slipstream installation).
You can
No, it's a requirement from MS. To be sold with non peripheral hardware
only.
FORC5 wrote:
I'm not sure that the HW is a requirement from MS, some DSP OEM's sell
without the HW. May be up to the individual vendor. Makes no sense since
MS does not make HW ( well other then input devices AFAIK
still some dsp oem's do not require this, must have a
different agreement.
what ever the 400lb gorilla wants I guess :{)
f[
At 09:40 PM 8/3/2005, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
No, it's a requirement from MS.
To be sold with non peripheral hardware only.
FORC5 wrote:
I'm not sure that the HW is
29, 2005 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
At 10:28 AM 29/07/2005, Bobby Heid wrote:
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html
Microsoft Genuine Advantage cracked in 24h:
window.g_sDisableWGACheck='all'
Here's something to think about
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html
Microsoft Genuine Advantage cracked in 24h:
window.g_sDisableWGACheck='all'
AV sez, This week, Microsoft started requiring users to verifiy their
serial number before using Windows Update. This effort to force users to
either buy XP
LOL.
--
Brian
LOL..
You can also go to Tools, Manage Add-ons in IE, and disable it from there.
Does the same thing.
Dunno how long before MS changes that so you can't disable it any longer.
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html
Microsoft Genuine Advantage cracked in 24h:
just curious which add on
At 06:55 AM 7/29/2005, JRS Poked the stick with:
LOL..
You can also go to Tools, Manage Add-ons in IE, and disable it from
there.
Does the same thing.
Dunno how long before MS changes that so you can't disable it any
longer.
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From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:37:12 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [H] Microsoft's Genuine Advantage Cracked Already
At 10:28 AM 29/07/2005, Bobby Heid wrote:
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html
Love it! I gotta say
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From:
FORC5
To: The Hardware List
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:15
AM
Subject: [hardware] Re: [H] Microsoft's
"Genuine Advantage" Cracked Already
just curious which add
on
oops! mis-read that. "Windows Genuine
Advantage:...but you knew that already didn't you :)
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From:
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To: The Hardware List
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 12:15
AM
Subject: [hardware] Re: [H] Microsoft's
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