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Sent: Friday, 25 March 2005 3:56
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Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
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Other countries seem to be much more pro-
"G.Waleed Kavalec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> True. But Islamic free trade disallows interest... makes for a
> completely different system. Can you imagine Enron without all the
> convoluted banking tricks?
Not surprised. After all it was "Western Man" who figured out how to
make a weapon
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Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
> I was surprised to learn idea of corporations started in the
> ancient
> I was surprised to learn idea of corporations started in the
> ancient Moslem East. See chapter 8.
True. But Islamic free trade disallows interest... makes for a
completely different system. Can you imagine Enron without all the
convoluted banking tricks?
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:53:46 -0700,
"Gary VanderMolen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Other countries seem to be much more pro-consumer
> compared to the caveat emptor attitude in the US.
USA; the home of corporate greed for the last 150 years or so...
I was surprised to learn idea of corporations started in the
ancient Moslem Eas
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> Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 5:50
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> Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
>
> It's Fords fault you didn't wear a seat
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Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 5:50
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Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
It's Fords fault yo
Other countries seem to be much more pro-consumer
compared to the caveat emptor attitude in the US.
Gary VanderMolen
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One thing is for sure ... there is no way in hell this would happen here in
Australia because we make a legal point of it that all telephone systems a
alf Of 007
Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 1:07
To: The Hardware List
Subject: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Some quirks exist in Voice/IP.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58598-2005Mar22.html
007.
After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
Yes.
Final vote: don't switch to Vonage.
Not because of 911 problems.
But to protest their "Ooh-ooh Ooh-ooh-ooh" commercial backgroung music.
Case closed.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:18:08 -0500, Jim Edwards
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes.
Final vote: don't switch to Vonage.
Not because of 911 problems.
But to protest their "Ooh-ooh Ooh-ooh-ooh" commercial backgroung music.
Case closed.
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:18:08 -0500, Jim Edwards
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> Are we nearing the end of this thread?
>
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You can't fix everything perfect. Oh wait we can, just follow these
simple steps:
1. Tracking chip in all citizens
2. finger, voice, retinal prints on file for all citizens
3. cell phone mandatory for citizens with GPS ability
4. no leaving house without travel permits
5
blah blah, welcome t
"Lack of standards". Didn't have GPS on cells 4-5 years ago did we now? No!
Makes me think of how my grandma couldn't get it through her head to
dial "1" before calling outside the area code. "In my day we just picked
up the phone & told the woman where we wanted to call." damn phone
company cou
Not all existing cell phones have GPS and GPS might not work from the
location where the modem is setup.
Cell phone are not a convenience for over 10 years now here in the US.
There is no perfect solution, too many laws & jurisdictions, too many
idiots. Don't change from the established, proven,
This is very true, however for people who move it makes it so that
they do not have to re-set their location.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:14 -0800, Gary VanderMolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Only drawback is that it would double the price of the Vonage adapter.
> For mobile cellphones GPS makes
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:04 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
>> Unfortunately it is not always the person making the omission who
suffers.
>> How will you explain to a 14-year-old girl, babysitting at someone els
Unfortunately it is not always the person making the omission who suffers.
How will you explain to a 14-year-old girl, babysitting at someone else's
house,
why 911 failed to work while some pervert was breaking down the back door?
I will point at the homeowner and say "They didn't spend the 5 minu
> Vonage implies you can use its service to replace
> your landline telephone.
Good point, their adverts are their legal Achilles' heel.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:58:03 -0800, Gary VanderMolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If life was only that simple...
> There's a thing called implied warranty of
If life was only that simple...
There's a thing called implied warranty of merchantability, i.e., is
the product or service fit for the purpose for which it is advertised?
One could argue that Vonage implies you can use its service to replace
your landline telephone. People have a certain expectati
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Unfortunately it is not always the person making the omission who suffers.
How will you explain to a 14-year-old girl, babysitting at someone else's
house,
why 911 failed to work while some pervert was breaking down the back door?
I will point at the ho
How will you soothe your conscience when you realized:
you impaired the safety of your loved ones for a couple of bucks a month
AND
didn't even bother following the instructions to prevent it
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:38:22 -0800, Gary VanderMolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unfortunately it is not
CW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As someone here asked, "is 911 a privelege or a right" in my book, it's 100%
> a privelege.
Thank you. I was wondering if anyone was going to pick up on this point.
Mr. and Mrs. Homeowner were -not- denied something they were -entitled-
to. Story over befor
voip isn't regulated (yet)
vonage would be well within it's rights to say go screw, we've got a
cheap service, this is what it offers, take it or leave it
i guess i don't see what's wrong with it
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:33:37 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 23
Unfortunately it is not always the person making the omission who suffers.
How will you explain to a 14-year-old girl, babysitting at someone else's house,
why 911 failed to work while some pervert was breaking down the back door?
Gary VanderMolen
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*shrug* as someone sa
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
That's a good compromise, but how can a judge force Vonage
to implement a default 911 if the plaintiff loses the suit?
Best scenario is for Vonage to lose the suit, be fined $1.00
and ordered to implement a default 911 routing. That
would be a win-win.
L
Only drawback is that it would double the price of the Vonage adapter.
For mobile cellphones GPS makes sense, but not many people will be
carrying their Vonage adapter around with them.
Gary VanderMolen
- Original Message -
What about the GPS thing I mentioned?
1) locates the user in an in
That's a good compromise, but how can a judge force Vonage
to implement a default 911 if the plaintiff loses the suit?
Best scenario is for Vonage to lose the suit, be fined $1.00
and ordered to implement a default 911 routing. That
would be a win-win.
Gary VanderMolen
- Original Message -
If you own a cell phone for example any of the newer Motorola/LG/Nokia
phones they all have GPS tracking when you dial out 911. that's by
default you can't turn that part off, but you can choose to invoke GPS
all the time if you want, or leave the default to only use during 911.
On Wed, 23 Mar 20
om
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
> How many times do I have to repeat:
>
> 1. IMHO the Texas AG should LOSE the lawsuit.
>
> 2. IMHO Vonage should require a default 911 area.
>
> It's a learning process.
>
At 03:15 PM 3/23/2005, Carroll Kong typed:
Oh, if it only activates during 911, then sounds like a good idea.
My cell phone has GPS & I can set it to work only with 911 calls or not so
why can't Vonage do something similar ?
--+--
Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
<
d luck with the future, hopefully your dad was smart enough to
have a life insurance policy..")
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From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:01:53 -0600
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After C
At 03:04 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed:
I believe my response to Wayne answers this. Is it the car makers fault
that you don't buckle that seatbelt in a car accident?
Think about the cars that have the auto shoulder belt. They say they are
a liability if you don't also belt the manual l
I *suspect* the new visability of this issue will cause them to do something.
What..? I don't know.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:12:14 -0800, Francisco Tapia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that Texas winning the lawsuit would invoke Vonage to do
> something about it, such as spending the money
Francisco Tapia wrote:
I think that Texas winning the lawsuit would invoke Vonage to do
something about it, such as spending the money to incorporate a GPS
unit within the phone that is auto-activated during 911 calls.
Oh, if it only activates during 911, then sounds like a good idea.
--
- Carroll
Francisco Tapia wrote:
What about the GPS thing I mentioned?
1) locates the user in an instant, can route the 911 call approriately.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:07:17 -0500, Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote:
FWIW in every "other" situation I would agree.
I think that Texas winning the lawsuit would invoke Vonage to do
something about it, such as spending the money to incorporate a GPS
unit within the phone that is auto-activated during 911 calls.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:09:18 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How many times do I
Gary VanderMolen wrote:
You forgot that it is Comcast's fault when the broadband drops for a
few hours and your Vontage phone fails. Every home user should be
entitled to fault tolerant, BGP multi-homed fiber with at least 3
distinct runs at least 100 degrees out of phase leaving the home.
Do
What about the GPS thing I mentioned?
1) locates the user in an instant, can route the 911 call approriately.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:07:17 -0500, Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote:
> FWIW in every "other" situation I would agree.
>
> At 02:4
How many times do I have to repeat:
1. IMHO the Texas AG should LOSE the lawsuit.
2. IMHO Vonage should require a default 911 area.
It's a learning process.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:00:13 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote:
FWIW in every "other" situation I would agree.
At 02:49 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed:
It's Fords fault you didn't wear a seatbelt.
To a point it is. Why do they put those annoying buzzers in that go off
every couple of minutes if they didn't feel
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
When someone's life is potentially at stake, the "level of due diligence" is a
lot higher than when some piece of computer hardware
craps out. There's no comparison.
I believe my response to Wayne answers this. Is it the car makers fault
that you don'
Wayne Johnson wrote:
At 02:49 PM 3/23/2005, Carroll Kong typed:
My teacher suggested to use the local police station numbers instead
since it can be much faster and more reliable.
& you expect a 6yr old to remember in a panic situation any thing
besides 911 ? IMHO that teacher ought to be fired
I'm not arguing that vonage should/shouldn't have 911 calls patched.
I'm saying that since their phones/services can be used anywhere the
customer should have the onus to set the freakin thing up correctly.
If the power's out and your broadband connection is dead who are you
going to blame? Comc
You forgot that it is Comcast's fault when the broadband drops for a few
hours and your Vontage phone fails. Every home user should be entitled
to fault tolerant, BGP multi-homed fiber with at least 3 distinct runs
at least 100 degrees out of phase leaving the home. Double that with
guarantee
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
Let's try this one:
"My daddy fell off the ladder. I can't wake him up."
Should this 6 year old be talking to the "wrong" 911 or to some
recording telling him he doesn't have 911?
He should be talking to the right 911 because that daddy followed
instru
At 02:49 PM 3/23/2005, Carroll Kong typed:
My teacher suggested to use the local police station numbers instead since
it can be much faster and more reliable.
& you expect a 6yr old to remember in a panic situation any thing besides
911 ? IMHO that teacher ought to be fired unless they were teach
When someone's life is potentially at stake, the "level of due
diligence" is a lot higher than when some piece of computer hardware
craps out. There's no comparison.
Gary VanderMolen
- Original Message -
OK, Fine, you win. it's vonages fault that this couple didn't setup thier
911 serv
I just started following this thread, and here is an utterly simple
solution for this problem... i can't believe Vonage would wimp out and
not follow this...
G P S
it's in cellphones, it's used to find you when dialing a 911 call, and
I for one think it's a better solution than Activation of the
At 02:41 PM 3/23/2005, G.Waleed Kavalec typed:
911 is not necessarily allways called by coherent adults, in case you
were unaware.
Great point. How's the kid suppose to know if mommy &/or daddy didn't sign
up for 911 service ?
IMHO if 911 service is available in their location then it should be
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote:
At 02:35 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed:
Where does it end?
It seems to me that you have some things confused. One may be life or death
while the other is not altho you may feel like dying if you forgot the heat
sink that doesn't count. If life or
sherrifs office who is in the same county
> you're in, then to call an emergency dispatcher in another county who would
> have to relay the information.
>
> :)
>
> CW
>
> -Original message-
> From: "G.Waleed Kavalec" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed,
CW wrote:
Trust me, there are things called a mess.
Let's say my sister gets 9-11.
"So you have an emergency?"
"Yes, we have emergency."
"OK, where do you live?"
"Ok, we're about a mile and a half off of HWY57"
"Is there a street address?"
"No, we don't have street addresses.. we are not far fr
At 02:35 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed:
Where does it end?
It seems to me that you have some things confused. One may be life or death
while the other is not altho you may feel like dying if you forgot the heat
sink that doesn't count. If life or death situations are no one else's
concern
Christopher Fisk wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote:
And you're going to tell 375lb Bubba this ? What are we suppose to do
when Bubba thinks he's a genius ? The point is many people can't help
that they are stupid & some lazy people can't either. We have many
senior citizens that
n emergency dispatcher in another county who would have to
relay the information.
:)
CW
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From: "G.Waleed Kavalec" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:41:17 -0600
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Cri
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> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:10:05 -0600
> To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
>
> > At 02:01 PM 3/23/2005, CW typed:
> > >there are still areas of the US w
13:28:48 -0600
To: "The Hardware List" hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
> When I signed up for cell phone service, they wanted both a
> billing address and a residence address. I don't see how asking
> fo
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Wayne Johnson wrote:
And you're going to tell 375lb Bubba this ? What are we suppose to do when
Bubba thinks he's a genius ? The point is many people can't help that they
are stupid & some lazy people can't either. We have many senior citizens that
never graduated elementa
Nine times out of 10, the billing address is the same as the
residence address, so that would be a good first guess.
Emergency call centers can then get clarifying information from
the caller, as far as the actual location, and they are skilled at
transferring calls to the appropriate agency.
Yes,
At 02:21 PM 3/23/2005, G.Waleed Kavalec typed:
Texas is suing, not the couple.
Specifically Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.
He should lose, IMHO, but a 'default 911 area' should go in.
If that happens then doesn't everybody win & then the suit would have to be
deemed effective? Much better tha
ssage-
From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:10:05 -0600
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
> At 02:01 PM 3/23/2005, CW typed:
> >there are still areas of the US where 911
When I signed up for cell phone service, they wanted both a
billing address and a residence address. I don't see how asking
for that information would be against the law.
Gary VanderMolen
- Original Message -
It would be impossible. The requirement to force disclosure of location is again
At 02:13 PM 3/23/2005, Christopher Fisk typed:
This is a good idea, and will probably end up being done just because it
"makes sense", but does that mean this couple who didn't specify their 911
calling area should get $20,000 from Vonage?
I guess I'm from the survival of the fittest mindset. I
Is 911 a right or a privilege?
At 02:09 PM 3/23/2005, j m g typed:
So vonage should default to potentially incorrect information for
emergency response - I don't see the point. This makes you safer?
Yes, as something is better than nothing besides 911 people ask for your
location when you make a call to them [unless they know
Texas is suing, not the couple.
Specifically Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.
He should lose, IMHO, but a 'default 911 area' should go in.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:13:56 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
>
> > So force disc
Is it so hard to imaging yourself trapped in an emergency - with
someone else's Vonage phone?
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:09:44 -0500, j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So vonage should default to potentially incorrect information for
> emergency response - I don't see the point. This makes you safe
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
So force disclosure of "preferred 911 area".
This is a good idea, and will probably end up being done just because it
"makes sense", but does that mean this couple who didn't specify their 911
calling area should get $20,000 from Vonage?
I guess I'm f
At 02:01 PM 3/23/2005, CW typed:
there are still areas of the US where 911 does not exist.. example: my
parents live in such an area..
But because they don't I assume they know the local police, fire & hosp
numbers or at least program them into their phone(s).
--+--
Wayn
So vonage should default to potentially incorrect information for
emergency response - I don't see the point. This makes you safer?
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:01:21 -0500, Wayne Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 01:43 PM 3/23/2005, j m g typed:
> >How difficult would it be for someone to take
-
From: "G.Waleed Kavalec" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:58:38 -0600
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
> So force disclosure of "preferred 911 area".
At 01:43 PM 3/23/2005, j m g typed:
How difficult would it be for someone to take responsibility for their
own safety and not leave it in someone else's
never mind.
I always forget to put in the local police & fire dept #s for a few days
after getting a phone because I've become spoiled with 911 b
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> From: "Gary VanderMolen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:32:35 -0600
> To: "The Hardware List" hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
>
> > > Come on, the
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:12:23 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
>
> > I'll bet if 208.20.76.243 hacked into the DOD, they would get located.
>
> In real time?
>
Try it and see ;-)
nload, etc.) but they can't force you to do it as part of a sell
of service.
CW
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From: "Gary VanderMolen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:32:35 -0600
To: "The Hardware List" hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonag
List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
> Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Chris Reeves wrote:
> >
> >> Closer then you'd think. We've had people hack into (try) corporates
> >>
How difficult would it be for someone to take responsibility for their
own safety and not leave it in someone else's
never mind.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:32:26 -0800, Gary VanderMolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Come on, the users are told they need
> > to enter this information, they are tol
Come on, the users are told they need
to enter this information, they are told multiple times. How is this not
the users fault?
How difficult would it be for Vonage to modify their setup GUI such that
it requires disclosure of the physical location before the customer is
allowed to use the de
OTOH, a default 'best guess' by Vonage is better than nothing.
After all, we're talking about saving people's lives.
Unless the 911 call goes to the wrong location and someone else doesn't get
police/fire/ambulance support because they are being wasted looking for a
call that has been misrouted.
Christopher Fisk wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Chris Reeves wrote:
Closer then you'd think. We've had people hack into (try) corporates
here
in KC, and they were tracked within 1/2 hour or less. If you've got the
money to throw at it, and you have the right connections with the right
tier1 provid
At 02:17 PM 23/03/2005, Carroll Kong wrote:
Yup, and it would be another Vonage "lawsuit". I can see the headlines now
MISDIRECTED 911 CALL, KILLS CHILD
Precisely.
How about if people just started to become more responsible again? A cell
phone is a privilege. Having your local police and firest
At 01:56 PM 23/03/2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
"Allow coffee to cool before applying to groin"
LOL! My favourite was on a case cutter made in China. "Keep out of children."
T
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Chris Reeves wrote:
Closer then you'd think. We've had people hack into (try) corporates here
in KC, and they were tracked within 1/2 hour or less. If you've got the
money to throw at it, and you have the right connections with the right
tier1 providers, it can be done.
1/2
Thane Sherrington wrote:
At 01:51 PM 23/03/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
OTOH, a default 'best guess' by Vonage is better than nothing.
After all, we're talking about saving people's lives.
Unless the 911 call goes to the wrong location and someone else doesn't
get police/fire/ambulance support b
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Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:12 PM
To: G.Waleed Kavalec; The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
> I'll bet
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
I'll bet if 208.20.76.243 hacked into the DOD, they would get located.
In real time?
Christopher Fisk
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At 01:51 PM 23/03/2005, Gary VanderMolen wrote:
OTOH, a default 'best guess' by Vonage is better than nothing.
After all, we're talking about saving people's lives.
Unless the 911 call goes to the wrong location and someone else doesn't get
police/fire/ambulance support because they are being wast
At 01:37 PM 23/03/2005, j m g wrote:
No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on
the part of the user - imagine that.
May I point out that these lamers managed to live for years without
911. They actually wrote down the police number and put it beside the
phone. Wildly
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:37 PM
> To: G.Waleed Kavalec; The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
>
> No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on
> the part of the user - imagine that.
.)
007
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of j m g
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:37 PM
To: G.Waleed Kavalec; The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Texas Sues Vonage After Crime Victim Unable to Call 911
No it's not rocket science, but it
Basically that's my opinion.
For the record I do NOT believe the lawsuit should succeed, but I do
believe that defaulting to no-911 is a bad decision.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:51:12 -0800, Gary VanderMolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OTOH, a default 'best guess' by Vonage is better than nothing
OTOH, a default 'best guess' by Vonage is better than nothing.
After all, we're talking about saving people's lives.
Gary VanderMolen
- Original Message -
No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on
the part of the user - imagine that.
> it does need a little intervention on
> the part of the user - imagine that.
I.e. doomed to failure.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:37:21 -0500, j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on
> the part of the user - imagine that.
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No it's not rocket science, but it does need a little intervention on
the part of the user - imagine that.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:32:47 -0600, G.Waleed Kavalec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I confess to ignorance re VoIP, but this can't be rocket science.
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> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:05 -0500
I'll bet if 208.20.76.243 hacked into the DOD, they would get located.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:39 -0500 (EST), Christopher Fisk
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
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> > So why not just default it to active and save lives?
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> Sure.
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> So, which 911 exc
I confess to ignorance re VoIP, but this can't be rocket science.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:29:05 -0500, j m g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The customer has to activate since he/she has to state where that
> phone is going to be used since theoretically it can be used anywhere
> it's got an internet
G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
So why not just default it to active and save lives?
They need to know where to route the information though to make the 911
call sensible. I am going to presume it is because a normal phone
line's actual numbers denotes the locality, where as a "mobile" phone
number is
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, G.Waleed Kavalec wrote:
So why not just default it to active and save lives?
Sure.
So, which 911 exchange should 208.20.76.243 go to? Basically, vonage has
no clue where you are located in the world when you sign up, and what
happens when you move? Like i said, during the s
So why not just default it to active and save lives?
Apparently because, without being told explicitly by the customer,
Vonage doesn't know which jurisdiction to forward 911 calls to.
OTOH, you would think they could default the jurisdiction to
the billing address, or require that the residence add
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