On 2010-12-19, at 19:29, Benjamin Reed wrote:
Luckily, there 143 different Linux and BSD distributions* aimed at
copying exactly what Mac OS X does,
Actually, they're more copying what Windows does. If they were copying what
Apple did they'd be using OpenStep.
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 03:12:29PM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote:
I suppose Linux GUI developers target Windows users more so than Mac
users because Windows is less likely to work properly (yielding a
higher conversion rate) and there's more of them to begin with. In
other words, the same reasons as
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:26:24PM +, Peter Corlett wrote:
Macs support multi-button mice. A right-click is also known as secondary
click, which gives a hint as to its importance. It's a power user feature.
One that I find useful, but not necessary to use the system, as it should
be.
As
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote:
Catering for new users isn't the end-all be-all of design.
This is something which seems never to have occurred to 90% of the UI
designers out there. For a given piece of desktop software --
especially OS software -- how many
On 21 December 2010 19:04, Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote:
If there's one thing I'm missing after switching to a MacBook, it's the
copy-and-paste functionality that doesn't require a combination of keys
with a mouse or trackpad.
Whenever I use a mac the first thing i miss are the extra six
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:47 AM, demerphq demer...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 December 2010 19:04, Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote:
If there's one thing I'm missing after switching to a MacBook, it's the
copy-and-paste functionality that doesn't require a combination of keys
with a mouse or
* Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk [2010-12-21 18:20]:
One fine feature of Ubuntu's default desktop is where the click
to focus a terminal also selects some random text, clobbering
the stuff that I was just about to paste into said terminal.
Yes, you really need a variation on Focus Follows
On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Abigail wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:40:08AM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote:
On Dec 21, 2010, at 8:18 AM, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
If I have to use the mouse, let it be as simple as
possible: a big ball for movements, three buttons - for which the
middle should
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 07:47:26PM +0100, demerphq wrote:
[...]
Whenever I use a mac the first thing i miss are the extra six cursor
keys, starting with the home and end keys, then the page-up/page-down
keys, followed by insert/delete.
Laptop keyboards are constrained by space, so it's to be
* Gerry Lawrence gwlp...@gmail.com [2010-12-21 20:05]:
Focus follows mouse - which I can get on any unix, easily, and
any microsoft, with a little more effort, is impossible on the
MAC.
It's actually *technically impossible* to implement Focus Follows
Mouse on MacOS. Do you want to know why?
On Dec 21, 2010, at 21:00 , Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
It's actually *technically impossible* to implement Focus Follows
Mouse on MacOS.
defaults write com.apple.Terminal FocusFollowsMouse -string YES
defaults write com.apple.x11 wm_ffm true
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:42:08AM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote:
On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Abigail wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:40:08AM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote:
On Dec 21, 2010, at 8:18 AM, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
If I have to use the mouse, let it be as simple as
possible: a big ball
On 21 December 2010 20:43, Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 07:47:26PM +0100, demerphq wrote:
[...]
Whenever I use a mac the first thing i miss are the extra six cursor
keys, starting with the home and end keys, then the page-up/page-down
keys, followed by
On 2010-12-21, at 02:45, demerphq wrote:
Or maybe it is because normal users really do like things like
multi-button mice, and keyboards with things like a page up, home and
etc keys...
That's why I've always used regular PC keyboards and mice on my Mac. OS X
supports them just fine.
On 2010-12-21, at 14:00, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
* Gerry Lawrence gwlp...@gmail.com [2010-12-21 20:05]:
Focus follows mouse - which I can get on any unix, easily, and
any microsoft, with a little more effort, is impossible on the
MAC.
It's actually *technically impossible* to implement
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:07 PM, John Sinteur j...@sinteur.com wrote:
On Dec 21, 2010, at 21:00 , Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
It's actually *technically impossible* to implement Focus Follows
Mouse on MacOS.
defaults write com.apple.Terminal FocusFollowsMouse -string YES
defaults write
On 21 December 2010 20:56, Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com wrote:
On 2010-12-21, at 12:47, demerphq wrote:
On 21 December 2010 19:04, Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote:
If there's one thing I'm missing after switching to a MacBook, it's the
copy-and-paste functionality that doesn't require a
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 02:13:00PM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote:
On 2010-12-21, at 14:00, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
* Gerry Lawrence gwlp...@gmail.com [2010-12-21 20:05]:
Focus follows mouse - which I can get on any unix, easily, and
any microsoft, with a little more effort, is impossible
On 2010-12-21, at 14:19, demerphq wrote:
Um no its mostly manners. My colleagues tend to get upset when i try
to plug my keyboard into their laptop just so i can show them a funky
oneliner or show them a code snippet or something.
Oh, I thought you were talking about continuous use.
I have
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote:
Let us instead unite against things that we all agree suck.
There's something we all agree on?
Other than the fact that self-aggrandizing tirades can be both fun
cathartic?
I eagerly await details.
--
Chris Devers
On 21 December 2010 21:36, Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:11:53PM +0100, demerphq wrote:
[...]
So which one was designed with the user in mind, and which one was in the
mind of a graphic designer? ;-)
I actually happen to like the minimalist design of the
On 2010-12-21, at 14:24, Abigail wrote:
Uhm, sloppy focus? When I use my Linux box (or in previous lifes, my
Solaris/HP/ or Cygwin box), my application doesn't lose focus, until my
mouse enters *another* application. Focus isn't lost by just having the
mouse leave the application. Of course,
On 21 December 2010 21:44, Peter da Silva pe...@taronga.com wrote:
It's less of a hassle than having to deal with sound on Linux
Is that with or without Skype and headsets involved in the picture?
Sound on linux is bad, making skype work with sound on linux is
deliciously hateful. As in stab
On Dec 21, 2010, at 5:28 PM, Joshua Rodman wrote:
And thus we have arrived at a familiar place: the good old chestnut --
oft-repeated even today -- of how Apple tries to force its users to accept a
mouse with only one button. [...]
[...] With the advent of the touchpad, the notion of
On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:47 PM, demerphq wrote:
Apple loves to talk about design, but the only clearly top-to-bottom
designed for the user laptop form factor I've used is the IBM Thinkpad
T series.
The T510 does have a decent keyboard layout for a laptop; the trackpad is a
minuscule
* John Sinteur j...@sinteur.com [2010-12-21 21:10]:
On Dec 21, 2010, at 21:00 , Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
It's actually *technically impossible* to implement Focus Follows
Mouse on MacOS.
defaults write com.apple.Terminal FocusFollowsMouse -string YES
defaults write com.apple.x11 wm_ffm
On Dec 21, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Peter Corlett wrote:
Let us instead unite against things that we all agree suck.
Unicode support.
Also, filesystems. And Unicode support in filesystems.
Apple filesystems have been brain-damaged since birth by not being
case-sensitive. Apple finally
On 21 December 2010 22:01, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 21, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Peter Corlett wrote:
Let us instead unite against things that we all agree suck.
Unicode support.
Also, filesystems. And Unicode support in filesystems.
Apple filesystems have been brain-damaged
On Dec 21, 2010, at 22:15 , Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
defaults write com.apple.Terminal FocusFollowsMouse -string YES
defaults write com.apple.x11 wm_ffm true
What is your point?
It works in one particular MacOS app.
And even *without* those two rules it works, up to a point, in *all*
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:27 PM, John Sinteur j...@sinteur.com wrote:
scroll focus follows the mouse, my keyboard focus stays in
whatever I'm typing in.
Having mouse events and keyboard events go to different applications
is a *feature*? That's some of the most pathological UI behavior I've
On 12/21/2010 12:14 PM, Peter Corlett wrote:
And the wondering whether an app uses
X11-type marking by selecting text, or whether it's Mac/Windows-style with
Ctrl-C.
Most accept both, at least in my setup.
Except if it's a console app. Then Ctrl-C usually kills it. But not
always, of course.
On Dec 21, 2010, at 22:34 , Eli Naeher wrote:
Having mouse events and keyboard events go to different applications
is a *feature*? That's some of the most pathological UI behavior I've
ever heard of.
mouse is on the way out,didn't you hear?
It's all guesture and such. These modern days,
Yes, this is why Mac OS X is both the most popular, and the most often -- but
least successfully -- copied UI.
--
Chris Nandor
http://pudge.net/
pu...@pobox.com
On Dec 21, 2010, at 13:23, Aristotle Pagaltzis pagalt...@gmx.de wrote:
UI style is holistic and you
can't expect to rip out or mix
On 21 December 2010 22:49, Chris Nandor pu...@pobox.com wrote:
Yes, this is why Mac OS X is both the most popular, and the most often -- but
least successfully -- copied UI.
I find that a quite remarkable claim, can you state your sources?
In 2007, according to Apple they had 25 million OSX
On Dec 21, 2010, at 14:38, demerphq wrote:
On 21 December 2010 22:49, Chris Nandor pu...@pobox.com wrote:
Yes, this is why Mac OS X is both the most popular, and the most often -- but
least successfully -- copied UI.
I find that a quite remarkable claim
I find THAT quite a remarkable
* Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com [2010-12-21 20:45]:
On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Abigail wrote:
That's vastly inferiour to select with mouse, middle click
where to paste (the latter may also be shift-insert).
You're missing the fact that merely selecting text doesn't
clobber the clipboard,
On 21 December 2010 23:58, Chris Nandor pu...@pobox.com wrote:
On Dec 21, 2010, at 14:38, demerphq wrote:
On 21 December 2010 22:49, Chris Nandor pu...@pobox.com wrote:
Yes, this is why Mac OS X is both the most popular, and the most often -- but
least successfully -- copied UI.
I find
* demerphq demer...@gmail.com [2010-12-22 01:30]:
Actually yes they do. Amongst the computer users I know as
friends, the majority use linux (ubuntu) or use windows, and
prefer it that way. Several even tried apples and then turned
back.
Because the plural of anecdote is not data, let me add
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 04:56:57PM +0100, Marco Von Ballmoos wrote:
And thus we have arrived at a familiar place: the good old chestnut --
oft-repeated even today -- of how Apple tries to force its users to
accept a mouse with only one button. I know that they shipped
single-button mice for
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