My server is always hibernating. I restarted the server, instantly put in a
status, and it still says hibernating. I don't know that that is the issue.
Aaron
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No update 4 now people can join my server. Woot!> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:18:42 -0700> Subject: Re:
[hlds] Left 4 Dead dedicated servers> > Are you talking about update 3?> >
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Nevermind, just updated and had an instant fury of connections. Good job.
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Are you talking about update 3?
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They just released a
Yet another Left 4 Dead Demo Win32 Dedicated Server update has been released.
Run hldsupdatetool to receive it, and you should see your server working.
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I got it to work on my server. I set the cvar to 0 and ran the command
"sv_unreserve" and then we could all connect to the server I had set up.
Anthal wrote:
> Via rcon, issue a 'status'. If it shows as "hibernating" you'll need to
> restart that server. Typing 'exit' via rcon should work.
>
> A
They just released an update for both client and server. I updated the
servers and restarted them. All 3 servers full instantly.. I'd say it's
working now lol
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Just wanted to announce that my l4d server is working perfectly. I put
it up, people connected right away, and they're killing zombies
Here's my commandline:
srcds.exe -console -game left4dead +ip my.ip.goes.here
Windows xp pro sp3
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Yes mine is hibernating and restarted the server many times and still same
problem. > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:11:52 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead dedicated servers>
> Via rcon, issue a 'status'. If it shows as "hibernating" you
Same problem here. I can connect fine but noone seems to be joining...> From:
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someone confirm that they are getting no connects on their servers> th
Via rcon, issue a 'status'. If it shows as "hibernating" you'll need to
restart that server. Typing 'exit' via rcon should work.
Aaron Rapp wrote:
> Can someone confirm that they are getting no connects on their servers
> through the matchmaking system?
>
> I can connect to my server through the
i have been running a couple servers and watching them.. with nothing. I
am not able to test them at the office here, but it appears everything
should be running right.
Aaron Rapp wrote:
> Can someone confirm that they are getting no connects on their servers
> through the matchmaking system?
Yeah Chris I found that cvar and I've been using on my server but I honestly
don't see a different if I activate during a game. And it resets to Normal
after the completion of the second checkpoint. Can you add to server.cfg so
or autoexec.cfg?
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Can someone confirm that they are getting no connects on their servers
through the matchmaking system?
I can connect to my server through the console, but I'm not getting anyone
from the matchmaking system to connect andin the game...I'm still
getting the error that there are no servers availa
Actually the difficulty level may be selected during the match making
process? I haven't tested the client out yet, so I'm not sure.
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>From the cvarlist.
z_difficulty : 0: , "sv", "rep": Difficulty of the current game
(Easy, Normal, Hard, Impossible)
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Any idea as to how to set the difficulty level?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Chris Brunelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My server is working. Players can connect directly and no issues so far
> with the game hanging/locking up.
>
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Yes it seems to be defaulting maxplayers to 14, however in hlsw it's showing
up as 4 slots.
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My server is defaulting to 14 slots and ignoring the +maxplayers command
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My server is working. Players can connect directly and no issues so far
with the game hanging/locking up.
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Setting it to 0 makes you able to connect with the "connect" command, but it
seems that people could still join it from the lobby, and then I had to kick
everybody or I had an error like "can't join because of players from a
lobby".
2008/11/6 "[ЯтR] The-/
> "sv_allow_lobby_connect_only" = "1"
>
We were just playing with the same variables after seeing an error in the
console on the client while trying to connect.
The good news is you are right, you are in the server with 3 survivor bots,
the bad news for me seems to be that as soon as you move the game bugs and
locks your character.
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I'm seeing reliable 29 FPS with a high-res timer running.
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> Yeah 10fps here as well and my pi
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"sv_allow_lobby_connect_only" = "1"
- If set, players may only join this server from matchmaking
lobby, may not connect directly.
Set this to 0, connect via ip/dns and it allows you in, question is, is
it still joinable via lobby
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*sv_allow_lobby_connect_only 0*
*sv_allow_lobby_connect_only 0* ftw =)
Can connect directly!
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exactly. Mine updated, no longer get LAN message, shows as "internet" and
connected to VAC.
but... no one is joining.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Brian D'Arcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This update works! The server launches and runs properly.
>
> I'm still unable to connect directly to
ght be caused by
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>> > > > > >>>>
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I'm curious, what's your FPS sitting at in console?
I don't think we can connect directly.yet.
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This update works! The server launches and runs properly.
I'm still unable to connect directly to a server however. Client reports:
Server using lobbies yes, requiring pw no, lobby id 0
Connection to xx.xx.xx.xx:27015 failed, server requires lobby reservation
but is unreserved.
How can I conne
t;> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:47:08 -0500> From:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4
> > Dead
> > > > > dedicated
> > > &g
t;> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:47:08 -0500> From:
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probably just wait for an update... i really don't think there's anything else
we can do at this time...> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:15:14 -0500> From: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead
dedicated servers> > Gotchya, was just confused there for a m
> 10:47:08 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To:> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead> > >
>> dedicated> > > >>>>> servers> > Nope
gt;>> fact
>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>&g
Gotchya, was just confused there for a minute. I've never installed the
steam client on this server. I double checked, I do have
/bin/steamclient.dll, it's up-to-date, and also is the exact same version as
my game client.
Are we doing something wrong, or should we wait for an update?
On Thu, N
ume there's files we're
> still missing.> > There> > > >>>>> ARE> > > >>>>> servers> running
> somewhere (probably at valve), I was able to> > play> > > for> > &g
; > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>> people
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> probably don't have the power/pipe to run a server
from
> > > home.
> > > > > > &
As a sort-of aside not: If you launch a L4D dedicated server from the tools
window in steam, it gives a mod missing error, I assume that this because it
isn't a demo server?
2008/11/6 Brian D'Arcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Interesting. I would have to assume this is just a registered DLL that
> srcd
Interesting. I would have to assume this is just a registered DLL that
srcds is looking for. I'm hesitant to install the full steam client on my
dedicated server, to be honest.
Does anyone know exactly what DLL's are required for this "support
library"? Maybe it's just a case of regsvr32'ing t
I am running a local dedicate server on a PC that doesnt have the full steam
client
I get this error when I run "srcds.exe -console -game left4dead":
* Unable to load Steam support library. *
* This server will operate in LAN mode only. *
I do have the full steam client installed on the machine. I installed
the server in a different directory using hldsupdatetool.
Brian D'Arcy wrote:
> Do you have the full steam client installed on your server? Or are you
> running a local dedicated server on your client PC?
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 20
They are filtered to be marked and filtered within gmail. They still
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On 6-Nov-08, at 12:27 PM, "Philip Bembridge"
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> 2008/11/6 Neil Voutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Do you have the full steam client installed on your server? Or are you
running a local dedicated server on your client PC?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Nicholas Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> I do have one running and don't get the error you describe when using
> -console.
>
> People c
#x27;re still
> missing.
> > > There
> > > > >>>>> ARE
> > > > >>>>> servers> running somewhere (probably at valve), I was able
> to
> > > pl
I do have one running and don't get the error you describe when using
-console.
People can join fine.
Chris Brunelle wrote:
> Does anyone have a running WINDOWS server?
>
>
>
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I wonder aswell. My windows server is doin fk all.
Not even launching anything!
Any tips 'n tricks?
Cheers,
P.s. Linux = no problem!
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gt;
> > >>>>> ARE> > > >>>>> servers> running somewhere (probably at valve), I was
able to> > play> > > for> > > >>>>> a> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> few> > > >>>>
Not yet that I can tell. I'm pretty confused regarding this steam client
bit. I *really* hope I don't have to install the full steam client on the
server to run this!
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Chris Brunelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Does anyone have a running WINDOWS server?
>
>
>
> -
That command line still gives you the unable to load steam support
library error under windows.
J T wrote:
> /bin/sh ./srcds_run -console -game left4dead -maxplayers 4 -autoupdate +map
> l4d_dem_hospital02_subway +ip 64.40.113.135 -port 27016 -tickrate 66 +sv_lan
> 0
>
> Running debian etch, bu
Running on linux ( 2.6.26.6-49.fc8 ) I can start a server that people
can successfully join using this command line ./scrds_run -game
left4dead +ip xx.xx.xx.xx +map l4d_dem_hospital01_apartment
-fork 2 causes the server to lockup with 99% cpu in top, setting -port
anything causes the server to
;>>> minutes> with a couple other people.> > The server browser
> shows no
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> servers
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> for l4d, however.> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Eric van
> > Beesten
> > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > > Before anybody is
Does anyone have a running WINDOWS server?
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/bin/sh ./srcds_run -console -game left4dead -maxplayers 4 -autoupdate +map
l4d_dem_hospital02_subway +ip 64.40.113.135 -port 27016 -tickrate 66 +sv_lan
0
Running debian etch, but got a debootstrap of lenny, just chrooted into it
and ran the file
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Chris Brunelle <[E
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Mind elaborating on your settings/os etc?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:18 PM, J T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've gotten my server working, and its on gametracker.
>
> http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/64.40.113.135:27016/
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Eric van Beesten <[EMAIL PROTECTED
What's your startup command? Were you getting the "steam library" error
before?
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From:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4
> > Dead
>
I've gotten my server working, and its on gametracker.
http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/64.40.113.135:27016/
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Eric van Beesten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Just to set things clear.
>
> This server is different from the other valve server. You can see your
> s
there's files we're still
> missing.
> > > There
> > > > >>>>> ARE
> > > > >>>>> servers> running somewhere (probably at valve), I was able
> to
> > > pl
I wonder if we should be specifying the map via the command line at all.
If you do, or run "map blah" in the console the server complains the the
steam support library error.
I've removed it from start up on my servers for now and left them
running. I'll see if anyone can connect and play on t
re still
> missing.
> > > There
> > > > >>>>> ARE
> > > > >>>>> servers> running somewhere (probably at valve), I was able
> to
> > > play
&g
If I start it as gui (no -console), it runs, but when I try to connect, in
my client I get:
Connection to xx.xx.xx.xx:27015 failed, server requires lobby reservation
but is unreserved.
then I get disconnected.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Matthew Gottlieb <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> GUI w
If you don't specifiy a map (on win32 anyway), the client times out
connecting to server. That's what I'm getting, anyway.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Matt Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder if we should be specifying the map via the command line at all.
>
> If you do, or run "map
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Just to set things clear.
This server is different from the other valve server. You can see your
server is a 14 slots, but you can not play with that lot. I think a
dedicated server can host more then 1 game at the same time. If a player is
making a lobby he needs to host it at a random dedicated
Hey!
look at the bottom of every email you receive from this mail list.
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GUI works in windows, no console :(
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Brian D'Arcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was still using +game l4d_demo, you have to use +game left4dead for it to
> launch properly. I'm not getting any errors, however in the client console
> using connect , it times out.
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>> > >>>>> servers> > Nope.. I assume there's files we're still missing.
>> There
>> > >>>>> ARE
>> > >>>>> servers> running somewhere (probably at valve), I was able to
>> play
>> > for
>> > >>>>> a
>> > >>>>>
m home.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just a guess though
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What about for windows, seems the only way you can get it to start is to
run it via gui?
Alfred Reynolds wrote:
> For the:
>
>> * Unable to load Steam support library. *
>>
>> * This server will operate in LAN mode only. *
>> **
> > >>>> servers
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> for l4d, however.> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Eric van
> > Beesten
> > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > > Before anybody is
> screeming.. is
> > >&
IS the linux binaries available with the half 4 dead game or is it atm just set
for linux
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;>>>> > >>>> servers> > >>>>> > >>>>> for l4d, however.> > On Thu,
> Nov 6, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Eric van> > Beesten> > >>>>>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > > Before anybody is screeming.. is>
>>
> > > >>>>> minutes> with a couple other people.> > The server browser
> > shows no
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> servers
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> for l4d, however.>
esten
> > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > > Before anybody is
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>> there
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> somebody that already have> > succesfull> > starte
;>>>
> > >>>> servers
> > >>>>
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> >>>>> etc?> >> > -Oorspronkelijk bericht-> > Van:
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>>>>> etc?> >> > -Oorspronkelijk bericht-> > Van:
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>>>>> Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2008 16:27> > Aan: Half-Life dedica
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