ld need to be amended in the standard RFC? The
> more-HNCP-data-to-come TLV in RFC7788?
>
> Question: Would this tweak increase the ±64K limit of TLV data from being per
> network to being 64K per node? [max UDP packet size for a single node TLV +
> associated payload data
> 3) AXFR by Distribution Master by HNA.
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> On 19 Jul 2018, at 11:58 pm, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 19 Jul 2018, at 11:30 pm, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
>>
>>> I am not speaking about discovery within the Homenet. I am speaking about
>>> exporting names into the global DNS, w
der, the ISP needs to troll all
> of the DNS providers in order to build such a database.
>
>> I actually share your concern that what he's got written down right now
>> is more complicated than it needs to be, and this is partly because it
>> was originally motivated
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> Having a management API for homenet would be a good thing. Possibly it
> could just be done with HNCP.
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rs, so I am
> > trusting that these instructions are sufficient. They have been
> > reviewed by people who understand this problem better than I do, like
> > Andrew Sullivan, Paul Hoffman and Mark Andrews. I was specifically
> > advised not to overspecify this. I would r
as learnt that 8.8.8.8 is "special" and
is the equivalent of the root servers in terms of keeping local
traffic local. Maintaining the list of don't leak too recursive
servers is a "interesting" problem.
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he DS
> record to get the NSEC that validates it?
Yes (proves its non existence).
> (I'm leaving in all of the stuff I typed while I was thinking this through
> because I'm not sure I got it right, and you can point out what I got
> wrong.)
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 201
ies of the homenet with
the exception of DS lookups for 'home.arpa.'.
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In message <916eeeb9-3709-492b-8e19-5c832b11a...@fugue.com>, Ted Lemon writes:
> On Jul 31, 2017, at 1:02 AM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > The delegatation is INSECURE and SIGNED not UNSIGNED. The wording
> > here is *important*.
>
> Can you explain what the distinction
The reason that this delegation
must be insecure is that it breaks the DNSSEC chain of trust,
which prevents a validating stub resolver from rejecting names
published under 'home.arpa.' on a homenet name server.
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NSEC/NSEC3 should
not be present. RRSIGs should not be present.
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ore answering authoritatively for such a
> delegated name. In such a case, because the name always has only
> local significance there will be no such delegation in the
> home.arpa. zone, and so the server would refuse to answer
> authoritatively for such a zone. A server
&
Note also home.arpa will be problematical until the insecure
delegation for it is made if you are validating.
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> > directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Home Networking of the IETF.
> >
> > Title : Special Use Domain '.home.arpa'
> > Authors : Pierre Pfister
> >Ted Lemon
> > Filename
CANN
> root trust anchor).
>
> If the domain for homenet is something else, such as "homenet.arpa.", then
> the proof contains more elements, such as the DS for arpa, and the NSEC for
> homenet.arpa (proving no homenet.arpa/DS exists).
>
> Brian
>
> On Thu, Ma
actly* like a validating stub resolver from
the DNSSEC perspective. This isn't something that will be in the
future. It is the PRESENT.
> I.e. avoid it if you can, but if you can't, I think the issues are
> solvable, even if they get a little funky/ugly under the hood.
>
> None
which will open it if homenet doesn't.
It that doesn't then the special names discussion will open it. I
don't see the can of worms staying closed.
The IETF and ICANN are going to need to address this issue. It
does no one any good to leave it festering.
The only decision to make is homenet going to wait for that discussion
to occur or not.
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ites:
>
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 06:35, Ted Lemon wrote:
> > [Mark Andrews wrote:]
> > Why shouldn't a iterative resolver work if we can make it work?
> >
> > Putting an it
MOST application will use a stub resolver doesn't make
it REQUIRED.
There is no attack of the DNS by wanting interative resolvers to
work by default.
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ument about resolvers
> that might want to do DNSSEC validation of .homenet results.
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validates that the homenet resolver can give to the stub
> resolver. Stub resolvers that query the root themselves will fail. This
> is a feature--that behavior is broken.
Why shouldn't a iterative resolver work if we can make it work?
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t routing will direct HOMENET queries to those servers.
That the publically delegated to servers also use those addresses.
I suppose this helps the case of a host using interative resolution
to find the on net homenet servers.
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, Brian Dickson writes:
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
> >
> > In message > gmail.com>
> > , Brian Dickson writes:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> >
> I think this exposes an unforeseen edge case, not covered in the design of
> DNSSEC.
>
> I think what would have been ideal, would have been the ability to securely
> delegate to a well-known name/address, but without a secure entry point.
> I.e. where parent/child NS use di
having said all this, I agree with Steve that an unsigned delegation
> is a bad idea, not because all unsigned delegations are necessarily
> bad, but because this one wouldn't solve enough problems to be worth
> the ugly and ambiguous precedent it'd set.
>
es which
are inappropriate for this exercise.
The special names process reserves the name. It is silent about
adding delegations to the root zone (secure or insecure).
Third mechanism
Mark
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e special name defining RFC. That would be
what I would do. The special names process delegates the name
space to us.
Mark
> On Nov 16, 2016 16:35, "Mark Andrews" wrote:
>
> >
> > In message > mail.gmail.com>
> > , Ted Lemon writes:
> > > Well
he name and
delegation are needed for protocol reasons.
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> >
> > In message com>
> > , Ted Lemon writes:
> >> Yeah, this sunk in for all of us when we were standing around outside
> >> the meeting ro
ames in the root namespace.
Each name needs to be individually handled as each is special with
its own requirements.
Mark
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> >
> > In message <20161116054604.gb55...@mx2.yitter.info>, Andrew Sullivan writes
> :
> &g
> consideration when deciding what kind of label to use.
>
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low the chosen label. This
way validating clients do not get BOGUS as validation result when
handed a foo. lookup result. Additionally validating clients
do not need special knowledge for ..
The root servers will return a authoritative NOERROR NODATA for
DS/.
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G(0) depends on KEY.
The flag day seperated DNSSEC from other uses of KEY. It did not
say "stop using KEY for everything" just for DNSSEC.
Mark
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
> >
> > SIG(0) works fine for DDNS once you have a KEY reco
nes. This requires policy enforcement in the server
but is do able. nameservers already have policy rules (e.g. tcp-self
has existed for years in named). Adding more is not a hard thing
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Unless they say what the subset they support / don't support, then
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> In message <87twp2oj05.wl-...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>, Juliusz Chroboczek w
> ri
> tes:
> > > So what is the scope of the request and what needs to be simulated?
> >
> > There are two distinct requests here:
> >
> &
ss. Request (2) comes from me, and, as noted
> Gabriel, probably reflects a typically European point of view (since
> a number of ISPs provide native-ish IPv6 but don't do PD). The two
> requests are not incompatible.
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IETF that can supply all the gear with
suitable planning. They have brought this sort of gear for
Bit-and-Bites in the past.
So what is the scope of the request and what needs to be simulated?
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In message <55e5d049.4060...@openwrt.org>, Steven Barth writes:
>
> > On 01/09/2015 01:06, Mark Andrews wrote:
> >>
> >> Why is topology being forced into the naming? DNS is independent
> >> of topology. We have *a* home. I really don't care wha
the highest
serial discovered after the election are sent AXFR style. This
re-syncronises all copies of the zone.
If a server comes up that thinks it is the master and sees that
that is is not listed in the mname field held by any of the slaves
it triggers a election.
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> long in the DNS. This seems like a no-brainer to me.
> >
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t; (during a renumbering event, which is presumably not every day).
>
> Any operators got any input on how often they propose to rotate prefixes
> on domestic connections?
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amsson writes:
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
> > What we really should be telling ISPs is that renumber events should be
> > make before break. There is zero reason other plain poor customer
> > service to not do this.
>
>
he moment. It isn't
impossible to do this at wire speed.
> Much as I love MPTCP, it only helps TCP sessions. And it requires both
> hosts to be updated to be effective.
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> >>>
> >>> IMHO it would be better to send an immediate RA with a zero lifetime
> >>> on the old prefix and a normal lifetime on the new prefix. If hosts
> >>> don't do the right thing they are in violation of RFC 4861.
> >>>
> >>> OTOH, invalidating a DHCP lease
you use mdns service discovery?
Some of the machine use it automaticall.
> 8) Why are you here? (especially, if your answers to 0-2, are "no")
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> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
> > Unless you have really old stacks your device will pick the new GUA first to
> > talk t
server addresses, the resulting
HE algorithms would have fixed the issue for you when it fast failed
to the GUA of the jukebox after changing ssids. Longest match would
result in the new GUA being used rather than the new ULA.
I tried hard to get the IETF to listen to this for HE.
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the time it is delegated to you.
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avoid having
any non-volatile memory in the box and I don't see that as a realistic
box.
You will also need non-volatile memory for internal prefix delegation
etc. You you do want the same prefix to be handed to the same
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In message <534fe395.1050...@viagenie.ca>, Simon Perreault writes:
> Le 2014-04-16 18:12, Mark Andrews a =E9crit :
> > With the currently defined states yes you shut down everything for 1 and
> > 3. You don't shutdown for 0 and 2. I think some here want a currently
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> In contrast a DHCPNOSERVICE message that just suspends sending DHCPDISCOVER
> messages for a while has almost no impact. It gets slightly trickier if
> that also implies no link local, but not much.
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In message <20140305102536.gd9...@mx1.yitter.info>, Andrew Sullivan writes:
> Mark,
>
> On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 08:58:23PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > a bit of flip flop but most of the time one is just "On WiFi" at home or
>
> The point is that we'
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> Mark Andrews wrote:
> > In message <20140304234206.gc9...@mx1.yitter.info>, Andrew Sullivan
> > writes:
> >> On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 04:50:33AM -0800,
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In message <4ccaecea-0d86-49a3-a314-3a0e05281...@fugue.com>, Ted Lemon writes:
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > Please go read draft-andrews-dnsop-pd-reverse. This technique will
> > work with any zone to be delegated by the ISP. For most case
e authenticator by for things like WiMax you will be
putting credentials into the box to authenticticate your DHCP request
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In message <48f0cf63-2595-43cd-884d-0c764cd59...@fl1ger.de>, Ralf Weber writes:
> Moin!
>
> On 04 Mar 2014, at 10:00, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
> > If you replace a CPE it just pushed new DS records for the
> > new DNSKEY records it generates. This is equival
years
in converting from text to binary.
This allow clients to use the value directly to initialise
a clock with a 1 hz freqency for use for DNSSEC validation.
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versions of the zone. This prevents issues with cached
DS/DNSKEY records as machines move from being locally
connected to externally connected.
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r dealing with reverse lookups to the
> dnsmasq-discuss list.
>
> >
> >> 4) the vast increase in ipv6 related multicast led me to finally
> >> violate the 802.11 standard and
> >>fix wireless multicast rates to 9mbits. So far that hasn't broken any=
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uthentication mechanism.
The update code should check for the presence of CNAME and DNAME
records at the well know reverse names and adjust the update requests
to update the target names of the CNAME / DNAME records. This allows
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In message <514257fa.90...@mtcc.com>, Michael Thomas writes:
> On 03/14/2013 03:54 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> >
> > Please stop using "root servers" when you mean "parent servers".
> > They are *not* the same. The root servers are only parent
In message <51425135.1080...@mtcc.com>, Michael Thomas writes:
> On 03/14/2013 03:27 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> >
> > You are missing the point. BIND+DHCPD can do all the above too.
> > It is the senario described as CER hosting above. I've been running
> &
In message <20130314222706.8339930dc...@drugs.dv.isc.org>, Mark Andrews writes:
>
> In message <51424b9c.4060...@thekelleys.org.uk>, Simon Kelley writes:
> > On 14/03/13 21:22, Michael Thomas wrote:
> > > On 03/14/2013 02:09 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
In message <51424b9c.4060...@thekelleys.org.uk>, Simon Kelley writes:
> On 14/03/13 21:22, Michael Thomas wrote:
> > On 03/14/2013 02:09 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> >> In message <16704.1363267...@sandelman.ca>, Michael Richardson writes:
> >>>>>>
In message <16704.1363267...@sandelman.ca>, Michael Richardson writes:
> >>>>> "Mark" =3D=3D Mark Andrews writes:
> >> I'm not a namedropper, but that doesn't sound like kosher DNS to
> >> me... sort of a weird split horizon
ve the shared
secret.
homenet <> CER (master) <> listed authoritative servers <> rest of the world
Now if you want this to work with the CER turned off while you are
away and update to the zone to work then protocol work is needed
to get multi-master working.
> Mike
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all stuff the ISP advertises using DHCP. The end user doesn't have
to enter any of this.
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ISP's to only do /64s except spite the
customer. The difference in costs from the RIRs for the bigger
address space is chump change even for developing states. All their
equipment will support > /64 because the big players want to support
that.
Mark
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s are not scarse. They are less than $0.03/annum per /48
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o we can publish names externally; the rea
> l question is how we arrange for that to happen. I think if we need it at a
> ll, we might as well just use it, and not develop a new protocol suite to do
> homenet naming.
>
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> In message <512cc4fd.2020...@si6networks.com>, Fernando Gont writes:
> > On 02/26/2013 09:19 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> > > Homenets aren't zeroconf--there has to be a way, at a
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>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
> > > Hmm. Do we know for sure that all clients properly depref ULAs below
> > global
> > > addresses (either because they follow RFC6724 instead of RFC3484, or
on.
fc00 has no bits in common with 2001 or 2002. I've been using ULA
PA addresses together at home for years without issue.
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en you renew a lease that you will get the
same address unless it is a exceptional circumstance.
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In message <279cabeb-4dee-45c7-8cf2-8c34eac3c...@fugue.com>, Ted Lemon writes:
> On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:28 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > Which is a UI / product support problem. The Mac has DNS registration
> > under Sharing. It requires manual entry of the TSIG key which
&g
In message <7e23e81a-9daa-45ac-a577-3b0574e1d...@fugue.com>, Ted Lemon writes:
> On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > My machines have names. Those names don't change as I move around
> > the world. Random DHCP servers at coffee shops DO NOT have the
TCP as the
authenticator in the reverse zone unless there is a DHCP option
that says to use the DHCP server to relay the PTR record update.
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In message <20120829063116.gb51...@mx1.yitter.info>, Andrew Sullivan writes:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:50:20AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
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> > There are enough services that require a working reverse for not
> > registering to be a problem.
>
> Please name one
In message <596bc785-38ea-407c-a8da-e4e854e64...@apple.com>, james woodyatt wri
tes:
> On Aug 28, 2012, at 17:42 , Mark Andrews wrote:
> >
> > Repeat until you have the entire 128 bits for all registered nodes in the /
> 48.
>
> You shouldn't expect to get
; delegation (router.foo.homeunix.net, printer.foo.homeunix.net,
> mylaptop.foo.homeunix.net, ...)
>
> >> Nonetheless, it is a perfectly valid use case; the IPv6 functional
> >> equivalent of widely used DynDNS in the IPv4 world today. And, of
> >> course, not every o
In message
, Benjamin Kerensa writes:
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>
> > > What this does not cover is a service that is listenning on a well
> > > known port. This is rare among home nets (except for homes of readers
> > >
et to IPv4 addresses. DNS64 and NAT64 already exist for
> BSD and Linux (bind and pf for BSD, bind and linuxnat64 for linux).
DNS64 does not add synthesised addresses to existing RRsets.
IPv6-only nodes will not be able to connect to dual stack servers
as there is no IPv6 path.
> Curt
In message <50194422.6070...@softathome.com>, Wouter Cloetens writes:
> On 01/08/12 16:13, Mark Andrews wrote:
> > In message<5018ddca.1010...@softathome.com>, Wouter Cloetens writes:
> >> On 01/08/12 03:26, Curtis Villamizar wrote:
> >>> Anything DN
the idea that there would be redundent
servers. It is not designed to deal with not being able to connect
to any servers for a zone and it really does not work well when
this is the case.
Mark
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some clients). We've said
> > > that the ULA ought to stay the same, so in fact, I agree, the internal
> > > addresses actually all stay the same.
> > >
> > > I'm still surprised that an ISP will need to flash renumber faster than
> > > it c
te requests are forwarded to.
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Section 2.6 IPv6-only, overlooks node based DS-Lite as a
viable solution. The DS-Lite BR could be learnt from the
ISP or be provided internally presumably by a CPE router
when the homenet has both dual stack connectivity and
ipv6-only subnets.
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