Tim Kecherson writes:
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I am playing Mozart's 3rd Horn Concerto in June, and I am looking for a =
cadenza to play. Is the cadenza necessary?
Yes, absolutely! It's part of 18th Century performance practice.
If so, where can I find =
one?
Well, you could do what other players,
There is NO Short Call in "Das Rheingold". The Short Call is
played during the "Rhine Journey", the interlude in the
first act of Goetterdaemmerung. Play it a bit faster than
the Long Call. Just a bit faster, not faster than M: 120.
Knowing where to find the different soli should also be part
of t
I did not know that Chris Leuba did a similar work as I had
done for the Mozart book I published 1980. Regarding
Cadenzas:
Dennis Brains cadenzas to the Mozart concertos are simple,
not too long, have virtuoso content & are very effectful,
while just in the right length. They are easy to memorize
t
Here are some observations I would like to share in regards to some of
the recent postings on the horn list.
First of all, as to the Schmidt mouthpipe being called a a" narrow
taper "mouthpipe, I think that this is somewhat misleading terminology.
The generally accepted description by most make
Richard West notes:
A long time ago, Christopher Leuba (I think) transcribed all the cadenzas
which up to that time had been recorded (late 60s? early 70s?) for the
various Mozart concerti. They were published in a magazine like the
"Instrumentalist" but my memory is very hazy about this (it's
The short call in Das Rheingold is marked vivace.
What is the metronome marking that it is normally played at?
Thanks - Ron
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Tim Kecherson wrote:
I am playing Mozart's 3rd Horn Concerto in June, and I am looking for a cadenza
to play. Is the cadenza necessary? If so, where can I find one? Thank you
very much.
--
Timothy Kecherson
In the first movement, absolutely. It doesn't have to be long. Listen to
as many
Kendall:
I agree! The computer is one of many useful tools a maker has at hand to
better his design!
That being said, I roll my eyes when I read statements like:
"Can a Conn 8D of any era be
improved? Yes it can! Try one of our pipes and flares on one and see! "
This is NOT an Objective th
Write your own.
Tim Kecherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am playing Mozart's 3rd Horn Concerto in June, and I am looking for a
cadenza to play. Is the cadenza necessary? If so, where can I find one? Thank
you very much.
--
Timothy Kecherson
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I am playing Mozart's 3rd Horn Concerto in June, and I am looking for a cadenza
to play. Is the cadenza necessary? If so, where can I find one? Thank you
very much.
--
Timothy Kecherson
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Here are some observations I would like to share in regards to some of
the recent postings on the horn list.
First of all, as to the Schmidt mouthpipe being called a a" narrow
taper "mouthpipe, I think that this is somewhat misleading terminology.
The generally accepted description by most m
Hi again, Guys
In response to the question of the girl who wants to play the horn
right-handed. I have no opinion on whether she will be accepted in a music
school but would certainly not discourage her from playing. I have a number of
right-handed horns in my collection from all periods of hor
We use pitch, as do/did many makers. It's a compound of roofing tar and
rosin. Yamaha uses hydroforming and some makers use ice. Lead and cerrobase
are long gone, TTBOMK. I'm experimenting with plastics now, but I have yet to
find the magic combination. Pitch is messy, dangerous to han
Ken, to clarify:
Actually, 3 Kruspes were assayed, all owned by Caswell Neal, well known L.A.
amateur and Kruspe collector (he owned 26 Kruspes at one point). One was
done by Cas and two by Walter. All three horns were from the 1930's. Dave
Weiner's story of earlier was true of one of
Hi, Guys
Here's what I have to offer about C.F. Schmidt:
http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/schmidt/cfschmidt.html
My first horn was a Schmidt-like object with no label so I've
aiways been fond of them. I had to trade it in for an 8-D when I moved to the
Philadelphia area:
http://www.rjmartz.com/horn
Geyer did work for Wunderlich and there was a definite connection with
Schmidt, expecially for parts, in that shop. If Paul Navarro is on the list,
I
think he knows the history well as he apprenticed with Geyer as did others
including Lowell Greer and Ron Pinc.
KB
In a message dated
Hello again,
I should learn German to really research this horn.
Until then, here are some other useful characteristics that may help
date the horn.
The only marking on the horn is the bell engraving:
C.F. Schmidt
WEIMAR
vor dem
BERLIN
There is no serial number, or mention of Carl Fisher on
James, using lead for the bending process ist the best for
high quality. It is not the material, it is the careless
user who creates the problems for himself or herself, not
the high qualified maker.
Who uses lead for soldering ? I know just of tin solder or
high temperature silver solder. Anythin
Yes indeed, lead is still used. See the picture at this url:
http://www.franz.com/~smh/MoltenLead.jpg
It shows me some years ago at Atelier Harlow in Tokyo removing the
lead from my Waldhorn bell joint. The gray round vat at the bottom is
filled with molten lead, from which the bell has just be
For what it is worth, in my school days of yore, I played the Brahms trio
with a violinist who held the fiddle "backwards", with his hands reversed,
fingering with his right hand. He is still quite active on the free-lance
scene in the city here and it seems not to have too seriously hampered his
o
In a message dated 2/1/2008 1:07:29 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there normally a lot of lead in all lead pipes?
Never mind Prof. Cabbage .. I'll take this one
yes, lead pipes are made up almost entirely of lead.
Regards, Kimchi in Kans
I had bought a lot box at an auction, for a harmonica, and it contained some
antique tin toys. I sold some of those toys on eBay during the summer and with
each sale would come the eBay "warning" about selling toys from over seas due
to possible lead content. It was annoying so I gave up and g
I'm sure I must be missing something here, but what happened to just
cleaning your horn fairly regularly with plenty of soap and a snake? I figure
if I've gone as far wrong as to need a chemical cleaning, I've [EMAIL
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- Steve Mumford
Geyer didn't train with Schmidt, although he did build Schmidt model horns.
He trained in Markneukirchen, which was and still is a mecca for instrument
building of all kinds.
There was a non-ferrous mill in Elkhart in the old days and Conn was able
to get some custom alloys. I do
Wayne really was a pioneer with ultrasonics in the instrument repair field. He
was one of the first bigtime proponents. He also teamed with Eric Satterleigh
(I believe) and pushed the use of the magnetic dent removal system. He's one of
the most forward-thinking guys in the business.
Dave Wein
Some custom makers still use lead, and many cerro metals contain lead, cadmium,
and other nasty stuff. If handled properly, there is no problem for the player.
Dave Weiner
Brass Arts Unlimited
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I don't know specifically in the case of Kruspe or Schmidt, but Geyer did
not use a mandrel to make leadpipes. He had a flat pattern he traced onto a
sheet of brass which he then cut out and rolled into a tapered tube. After
filing the edges a bit to clean them up the seam was brazed and
Thanks for the update. I did not know that Wayne was with Yamaha, I was going
by some older newspaper articles.
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Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 2:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pro horn cleaning
DMM,
The lead pipes are filled with lead ( solid ) prior to bending as to prevent
crimping during the bending process. Once the pipe has been bent to fit, the
pipe is heated to melt the lead out of the pipe. Some manufacturers use pitch
instead, and some use a frozen soapy water solution. I
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From: Scott Hartman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:40 AM
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Subject: [Hornlist] Pro horn cleaning question
Hi everybody,
My horn needs to be cleaned out but I am procrastinating because
every time I get it cleane
All kinds of stuff is used to retain a tube's cross section, including lead,
pitch, frozen glycerin water, cerro-metals, and so on. In filling the pipe one
first coats the interior with a release agent such as silicone spray or WD40
and then fills the pipe with the molten metal. Unlike in solder
So, what exactly was Conn's "boo-boo"? Just the use of German Silver, or the
whole megillah?
Dave Weiner
Brass Arts Unlimited
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Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 2:20 pm
Subject: [Hornlist] Re: C.F. Schmidt History
Dave,
I have had the oppurtunity to both play and play in a section with a
custom-built right-handed N series Conn 8D. The gentleman that owned it had
lost all of his fingers on his left hand in an accident, so he contacted Conn
and for a fee they assembled a "backward" horn for him. The instrument
Just FYI, The Brassbow is essentially out of business.? If you go to their web
site, it's a shell.? Wayne Tanabe moved over to YASI (Yamaha Artist Services),
and TTBOMK he has been unsuccessful at his attempts to sell The Brassbow.? If
anyone knows anything to the contrary I would be pleased to
Dave, no need for puzzles here. The whole thing is a clear as the view from
Mt. Washington, assuming it's not snowing. Conn copied the Kruspe Horner
Model and experimented with the tapers with the assistance of professionals at
the time. Wrap and general dimensions got copied verbatim.
Kendall, from what I understand, only 1 Kruspe flare was assayed, and given
the very nature of handmade instruments of that vintage, there was probably
a great deal of variance between the alloys available to Kruspe at the time,
thus I don't believe that there is a 'standard' Kruspe alloy. Having w
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> As I told you guys the other day, I met a young lady (age 16)
> who wants to play horn, but has been playing trumpet because
> her left hand is deficient of normal digits. She's very
> bright, plays trumpet & piano quite well, comes from a
> musical family (da
I'm sorry I have to ask this, having to soon go through a total lead base paint
inspection of out house I can't help but wonder. How can putting lead in a lead
pipe to custom fit it be safe for one's health? Is this typically how lead
pipes are custom fitted??? Is there normally a lot of lead
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Richard V. West
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:39 PM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: C.F. Schmidt History
Thanks Kendall, and Steve Mumford, too, for the corrected information on
Schmidt
I, for one, am all for it. Talent and will tend to conquer all and often
create opportunities where none might seem to exist. Logistical
considerations need to be considered but are fairly easily solved (assuming
adequate space is available between hornists while rehearsing and
performing). And
As I told you guys the other day, I met a young lady (age 16) who wants to play
horn, but has been playing trumpet because her left hand is deficient of normal
digits. She's very bright, plays trumpet & piano quite well, comes from a
musical family (dad's a music educator, piano), etc. The girl
Unfortunately, Brass Bow near Chicago is no longer in business. Since Wayne
left I guess they weren't able to keep their customer base, which is a shame,
because they still were doing excellent work.> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:05:25
-0800> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pro hor
I would suggest an ultrasonic cleaning as done by Ken Pope or the Brass bow and
now most certainly by other technicians. It does not use chemicals and removes
more crud than a chemclean. I know you said not to suggest it, but if chemical
cleaning hasn't made you happy then I would seek somethin
Hi everybody,
My horn needs to be cleaned out but I am procrastinating because
every time I get it cleaned out it comes back not to my liking. Once
it got bright dipped and it came back a strange lime color and I was
told by a horn maker that it reduces the life of the horn
significantly. On
>From what I know, Horner worked exclusively with Kruspe. Maybe they knew
Schmidt? Hard to say. There was a predecessor model, the "Fritz" that Kruspe
made, and the Horner model is similar to that. I think all the German makers
of the time got patents for double horn designs and built th
Kruspe pipes are long F horn tapers as well. The main difference is that
the Kruspe pipes I've seen had more "bumps" or "bubbles," (wider or narrower
spots in the taper) than the Schmidt or 8D pipe.. Why, I don't know but in
general those can have an effect on both sound and response. If
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