In
![EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/09/2007
at 07:19 AM, Ray Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I have to agree with Steve on the test drive link provided by
Timothy. It is Linux-geared. At the moment, my software idea #2
isn't geared towards z/Linux - it makes no sense, actually, as right
now it's
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/08/2007
at 04:54 PM, Thompson, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Is that und intended to be and? Or did you mean under z/VM?
I don't speak the language, but I believe that und is and and
unter is under.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/06/2007
at 03:38 PM, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Duty? I'm just a guy with ibm.com in my e-mail address. Nothing in
my job description requires me to hang out here.
The duty in question is the one that you assigned to yourself: Myth
buster reporting
Edward Jaffe writes:
Not intending to suggest one company's offerings over another. I just
looked up what Sprint PCS charges for mobile broadband service. The
plans are:
$39.99 Flexible Data Plan (40 megabytes (MB) of usage; $.001/kb overage;
after $99.99 usage is free/unlimited.)
$59.99 Unlimited
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the
sky is falling!!)
I agree that the technology
Of McKown, John
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
a) can be difficult at some customer shops due to internal security
concerns. Some may not even let you connect to their network
without
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:44:35 -0700, Charles Mills
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is of course your company's choice, and one that is not patently
unreasonable.
The subject at hand is ISV demos. I think most ISVs make their
mainframes
more accessible, ...
...
True here. NO non-company PC is
.
Charles
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Of Patrick O'Keefe
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
Charles,
Maybe I've missed your
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Mills
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the
sky is falling!!)
Well yes, I was a little off
McKown, John wrote:
The EV-DO cards that people (including myself) have been talking about would
work inside your company for ISV demos, assuming cellphones work inside your
building. They are like cellphone modems for laptops.
Charles
They might. But some really paranoids around here
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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the
sky is falling!!)
McKown, John wrote:
The EV-DO
I can't speak for all installations, but two years ago I worked several
months in a row at a bunker in the southwest where you could not make a cell
phone call inside the building. Too much concrete or something. All cell
phones were worthless inside the building.
However, between the buildings
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of McKown, John
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
SNIP
They might. But some really paranoids
In a message dated 4/13/2007 4:49:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
However, PASSIVE blocking is legal. So if you wanted to put in the right
metal screening, concrete, etc. ...
or paint...
_http://emsectechnologies.com/press_releases/press1.php_
So it looks like a new z9 BC has a much lower price net, and it's certainly
a fantastically better machine.
And how do you reacon you put that in your attaché case when setting out to
a customer location for doing a demo???
Jantje.
Jan MOEYERSONS wrote:
So it looks like a new z9 BC has a much lower price net, and it's certainly
a fantastically better machine.
And how do you reacon you put that in your attachi case when setting out to
a customer location for doing a demo???
With great difficulty. :-)
Any
I agree that the technology is certainly getting better at allowing this
sort of thing, but:
a) can be difficult at some customer shops due to internal security
concerns. Some may not even let you connect to their network without a
virus scan, let alone get out to the internet.
b) IMHO
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/05/2007
at 12:03 PM, David Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Go back and look at your pops manuals for the last 10 years or so.
Note the new instructions from one release to another. Those
instructions were added to facilitate functionality that was
incorporated into
Rich Smrcina wrote:
I agree that the technology is certainly getting better at allowing
this sort of thing, but:
a) can be difficult at some customer shops due to internal security
concerns. Some may not even let you connect to their network without
a virus scan, let alone get out to the
(Maniacal laughter!)
And, of course for the really destitute ISV living out of his/her car,
10 years ago, faced with a sudden doubling of premises rent, we
brainstormed the idea of sticking the whole office into a 40 foot
container with a satellite dish on the back of a rig to be parked
My IBM mainframe career has very limited CICS/IMS/DB2 exposure, and a lot of
IDMS exposure.
Non sequiter!
What's the maximum number of IDMS licences.
You deliberately ducked!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
What does it mean to max out Is it that regardless of how
much work is available to be dispatched, the utilization
The relation is definitely *NOT* linear.
According to the M/1-M queueing model, given random transaction arrival,
throughput begins to decline at 30% and increases in a non-linear
fashion
Asymptotically(??) approaching inifinity as utilizaion aproaches 100%.
The curve really takes off after
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Timothy Sipples
Sent: Monday April 09 2007 22:22
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
Ray Mullins writes:
As Timothy and Marcia are both marketing folks
On 9 Apr 2007 15:35:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted MacNEIL)
wrote:
I'm not getting the perspective here - how do I compare these two?
(should we add the number of Windows licenses to the comparison?)
The perspective I failed to communicate is that ORACLE is the largest licensed
DB in the
Let's address the big issue. There is really two IBM's: The 'top down' IBM
and the 'bottom up' IBM. The top down IBM sees management as the important
issue and technicians/programmers/researchers as interchangable parts. The
bottom up IBM sees the creative efforts of
Alan, I'm glad you spoke up. Your note is well-written, and speaks volumes.
And it was a good idea to keep Chuckie away from the keyboard. :-)
As Timothy and Marcia are both marketing folks, you're right, Alan, they
would not be able to speak for IBM regarding ISVs. But I think things would
On 6 Apr 2007 13:10:39 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted MacNEIL)
wrote:
According to a Canadian IBM'r, there are approximately 6,000 mainframe
licences world-wide.
To put it in perspective, there are approximately 230,000 Oracle licences.
I'm not getting the perspective here - how do I compare
Ray Mullins writes:
As Timothy and Marcia are both marketing folks, you're right, Alan, they
would not be able to speak for IBM regarding ISVs
I'm not a marketing guy. Nor (to anticipate the next question) do I get
commissions. To my wallet's shame, really. The occasional bonus, yes. I
In a recent note, Jim Harrison said:
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:28:54 -0400
Not really. Since the *ix boxes max out at 30% utilization, you need
This statement has been repeated so often among mainframe
partisans that it has come to be accepted without question.
Can someone provide a
: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky
is falling!!)
On Sat, 2007-04-07 at 07:09 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
Linux, Linux, and more Linux.
Not that I've noticed in this country - leastwise not on z/Series
So I guess the message is Kiss z/OS goodbye, eh?
Let's hope
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:42 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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falling!!)
I know of at least
Under, sorry
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Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky
is falling!!)
I know of at least
Rick Fochtman writes:
Timothy, you're probably right as far as you go, but you, and other,
seem to have forgotten a very important aspect of running that cheap
z/800, etc. I refer to site preparation and operating costs. Not many of
us can afford three-phase power in our basements or garages or
Timothy Sipples wrote:
Rick Fochtman writes:
Timothy, you're probably right as far as you go, but you, and other,
seem to have forgotten a very important aspect of running that cheap
z/800, etc. I refer to site preparation and operating costs. Not many of
us can afford three-phase power in our
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I don't have a clue how many installations license MVS today
According to a Canadian IBM'r, there are approximately 6,000 mainframe licences
world-wide.
To put it in perspective, there are approximately 230,000 Oracle licences.
Ted,
Others already criticised the numbers
: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I don't have a clue how many installations license MVS today
According to a Canadian IBM'r, there are approximately 6,000 mainframe
licences world-wide.
To put it in perspective, there are approximately 230,000
On Sat, 2007-04-07 at 07:09 -0600, Steve Comstock wrote:
Linux, Linux, and more Linux.
Not that I've noticed in this country - leastwise not on z/Series
So I guess the message is Kiss z/OS goodbye, eh?
Let's hope not.
Shane ...
Oracle licenses are by the number of CPUs, so a PC with a dual core Intel pays
twice as much as a single core Intel.
Not exactly on that.
The price can vary depending on the manufacturer of the cpu chip.
I saw John Anderson's presentation at a recent CMG Canada.
-
Too busy driving to stop for
Alan Altmark wrote:
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:29:58 -0700, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Raw license counts are a much less important measure than how much data is
stored and how many end users are accessing that data.
But, Ed, that's a technologhical view. If you charge on a
Shmuel Metz writes:
It was dereliction of duty to not report prices on, e.g., the P390,
MP2000, MP3000.
Duty? I'm just a guy with ibm.com in my e-mail address. Nothing in my job
description requires me to hang out here. It's just for fun. And I
definitely speak my own personal opinions.
I
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:38:41 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:
I haven't found P390 (System/390 Integrated Server) prices, so somebody
will have to help us on that. The P390 had some shortcomings even as a
software development platform, though. I wish it had more memory
expansion, in particular,
At 4/6/2007 02:38 AM, TSipples wrote:
Shmuel Metz writes:
It was dereliction of duty to not report prices on, e.g., the P390,
MP2000, MP3000.
Duty? I'm just a guy with ibm.com in my e-mail address. Nothing in my job
description requires me to hang out here. It's just for fun. And I
Tom Marchant wrote:
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:38:41 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:
I haven't found P390 (System/390 Integrated Server) prices, so somebody
will have to help us on that. The P390 had some shortcomings even as a
software development platform, though. I wish it had more memory
Software revenues will still be 100% IBM's and are likely to increase due to
more market penetration. On the hardware side IBM would still be selling its
own hardware plus there could be royalty stream from PCM vendors for IBM
patents. BTW this is nothing new, it was the norm ten years ago.
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:38:28 -0600, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
part of the reason that Amdahl was able to (initially) move into the
highend (in the mid to late 70s) was that the company had taken a
side-trip into Future System project (which was going to replace all
370s ... and be as radically
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Cole
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 7:56 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
SNIP
Our problem is, the FLEX-ES system
Bob Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in part:
1. Amdahl and TIDA is AFH.
AFH? Another ing Hamster?
3. FLEX-ES is alleged to have violated its agreement with IBM. No one
will ever know what action IBM would have taken had FLEX-ES not
partnered with PSI.
I've heard no such allegation of a
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:03:11 -0600, David Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Go back and look at your pops manuals for the last 10 years or so. Note the
new instructions from one release to another. Those instructions were added
to facilitate functionality that was incorporated into one or more
Timothy,
From the viewpoint of a developer who has worked at both large and
medium development shops, with access to machines as varied as the
IS2000, MP3000, 3090-z9 bc, I have to say that you are missing the
point of the cost comparison between the MP3000 and the z9 bc (which by
the way is a
On 6 Apr 2007 05:57:25 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Cole) wrote:
And Seymour's right, you then went on to totally miss the point that,
outside of the currently dying FLES-ES offerings, IBM's pricing
structure is simply not affordable to small businesses such as mine
and many others who are
Indeed. I couldn't figure out what FSI - PSI partnership Bob was
talking about, but certainly it was T3 Technologies. Not Fundamental
Software.
Phil Smith III wrote:
3. FLEX-ES is alleged to have violated its agreement with IBM. No one
will ever know what action IBM would have taken had
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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the
sky is falling!!)
On 6 Apr 2007 05:57:25 -0700
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of McKown, John
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:19 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
snip
Everything old is new again. Didn't
In a message dated 4/6/2007 8:13:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Given today's prices against 1995 prices, an IBM built PWD machine like
this should be an attractive offering, particularly on a 3 year lease.
And that would include the CD/DVD system(s) being free to
.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#55 IBM to the PCM market(the sky is
falling!!!the sky is falling!!)
my observation was competitive offerings/response ... as opposed to what
specifically it was that Amdahl was shipping (or why he might have
decided leave).
The corporation had taken
Wayne Driscoll wrote:
While the z800 can work w/o a raised floor, it is desirable, or else you
have escon cables running across the floor. While you may not think
that $50K US is a large cost, when the cost of the DASD, the weight and
clearence requirements etc are factored in, the costs
://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#51 IBM to the PCM market(the sky is
falling!!!the sky is falling!!)/a
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#55 IBM to the PCM market(the sky is
falling!!!the sky is falling!!)/a
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#57 IBM to the PCM market(the sky is
falling!!!the sky
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:14:59 -0700, Ray Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
However, both you and Marcia continue to ignore the context of the
current
discussion here on IBM-MAIN in your posts. Many of us are or work
for ISVs
- especially small ones that can't afford the $100K for a basic
Alan Altmark wrote:
[snip it all]
Well put, Alan. Thanks for the perspectives.
Kind regards,
-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.
303-393-8716
http://www.trainersfriend.com
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:41:21 -0500, Alan Altmark wrote:
But with all that said, I and many others sadly recognize that some
customers (the consumer kind) are leaving the mainframe. Their IT
needs are shrinking, not growing, and it has become painfully evident
to both sides that the time has come
I don't have a clue how many installations license MVS today
According to a Canadian IBM'r, there are approximately 6,000 mainframe licences
world-wide.
To put it in perspective, there are approximately 230,000 Oracle licences.
(Same source)
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
, 2007 4:11 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
I don't have a clue how many installations license MVS today
According to a Canadian IBM'r, there are approximately 6,000 mainframe
licences world-wide.
To put it in perspective
I heard that there are about 8000 CICS licenses which run on 85% of the
mainframes. Therefore, that would put the number of mainframes at something
like 9400.
I heard! You heard! She heard!
IBM has been very closed mouth about how many exist.
So, we can guess until the cows come home.
How
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:43:29 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I heard that there are about 8000 CICS licenses which run on 85% of the
mainframes. Therefore, that would put the number of mainframes at
something like 9400.
But, the 230,000 Oracle licences tell a story all by themselves.
The
Not really. Since the *ix boxes max out at 30% utilization, you need
a whole lot more of em to keep up with the workload. Let's compare
TB to TB and see what the numbers are.
At 04:43 PM 4/6/2007, Ted MacNEIL said:
But, the 230,000 Oracle licences tell a story all by themselves.
The
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I heard! You heard! She heard!
[snip]
Of course, you know that 80% of all statistics are made up on the spot?
I heard it was closer to 90%. :-)
(8-{}
But, the 230,000 Oracle licences tell a story all by themselves.
Not as compelling a story as might appear at
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:21:11 -0500, Tom Marchant m42tom-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you for your well reasoned response, Alan. On this point,
though,
I disagree. Customers are not leaving the mainframe because theit IT
needs are shrinking, unless by shrinking you mean growing at a
slower
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:29:58 -0700, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Raw license counts are a much less important measure than how
much data
is stored and how many end users are accessing that data.
But, Ed, that's a technologhical view. If you charge on a per-CPU or
per-duo basis, the
Not really. Since the *ix boxes max out at 30% utilization, you need a whole
lot more of em to keep up with the workload. Let's compare
TB to TB and see what the numbers are.
230,000 time .3 is 69,000.
Compare and contrast.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 4:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
SNIP
But there have also been a lot
Uh, apples to oranges? We need some numbers from the Winter Corp.
At 06:09 PM 4/6/2007, Ted MacNEIL said:
Not really. Since the *ix boxes max out at 30% utilization, you
need a whole lot more of em to keep up with the workload. Let's compare
TB to TB and see what the numbers are.
230,000
On Apr 6, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote:
SNIP
BTW - IBM is partly culpable here. I know of shops (NDAs preclude me
from naming names) that were pushing bring in new systems so they
could
have GUI based applications and decreed
Timothy, you're probably right as far as you go, but you, and other,
seem to have forgotten a very important aspect of running that cheap
z/800, etc. I refer to site preparation and operating costs. Not many of
us can afford three-phase power in our basements or garages or offices;
nor can we
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/04/2007
at 01:46 PM, Marcia Harelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
May I posit this theory? In the market today are 3 kinds of
computers: Intel-based, Unix-based, and the MF.
There's no such thing as a Unix-based computer. Unix runs on multiple
types of computers,
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/04/2007
at 02:59 PM, Thompson, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Many years ago it was a royal pain to migrate from one box to the
next, even if made by the same company. IBM came up with a
revolutionary idea, the System 360.
How hard was it to migrate from a 7070 to a
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/05/2007
at 02:43 PM, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Myth buster reporting for duty. :-)
It was dereliction of duty to not report prices on, e.g., the P390,
MP2000, MP3000.
I should also point out that the press release price for the
hardware has fallen
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/04/2007
at 04:50 PM, Thompson, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
US Courts have held that what a sales person tells you and what the
contract says means nothing.
Those same courts, in the 1970's, held IBM to terms that a salesman
allegedly told a customer, despite
Sent: Thursday April 05 2007 04:58
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
Thanks Timothy.
A fine point indeed.
However, you neglected to put a price on the smallest z9 BC machine...
maybe just the machine .. since the developers
Just like the availability of Linux free of charge on commodity hardware has
killed Linux.
Just trying to understand your logic.
Mohammad
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:45:37 -0600, David Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In my opinion, what will kill the mainframe is if the market becomes a
commodities
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From: Mohammad Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
Just like the availability of Linux free of charge on commodity hardware
has
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Day
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:03 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
Go back and look at your pops manuals
Allowing your software to run on other peoples hardware / emulators does not
mean giving up control. IBM could still come up with hardware ( and software )
enhancements for their own hardware. Others will be forced to follow suit of
be left out while the users who do need that functionality
My two cents:
1. Amdahl and TIDA is AFH.
2. Phil Payne has thoroughly explained why PSI does not have a viable
economic model.
3. FLEX-ES is alleged to have violated its agreement with IBM. No one
will ever know what action IBM would have taken had FLEX-ES not
partnered with PSI.
4. IBM
Allowing your software to run on other peoples hardware / emulators does not
mean giving up control. IBM could still come up with hardware ( and
software )
enhancements for their own hardware. Others will be forced to follow suit of
be left out while the users who do need that functionality
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Day
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:32 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
snip
Where will IBM get the $$$ to fund
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson, Steve) writes:
First, the driver of the train is the Operating System. Since no one
writes a seriously competing O/S to IBM (that I'm
All very fine points.
Although I didn't know about the FLEX-ES partnering with PSI (which
sheds a bit of light there .. I think)
as to 6 .. I have found the discussion interesting.
I think I am going to wait until the announcements that are coming up
are made in April. Then decide what kind
Where do these rumors start?
It's all well and good to tell us this.
But, management believes these rumours.
AND, IBM is doing a cr*p job of selling the mainframe to the people holding the
purse strings.
I cannot convince the powers that be to even consider z/LINUX under z/VM and an
IFL (or
Thanks Timothy.
A fine point indeed.
However, you neglected to put a price on the smallest z9 BC machine...
maybe just the machine .. since the developers would hopefully be part
of the PWD.
Is it competitive with the development platform that is offered by
Flex-es?
If so .. I recind my
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:43:17 +0900, Timothy Sipples
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Thompson writes:
Meanwhile, IBM is RUNNING from the low end customers. They aren't out
there marketing to the bottom end companies. Each system that comes out,
the CPUs are how much faster than before?
Myth buster
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Timothy Sipples
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:43 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is
falling!!)
Steve Thompson writes:
Meanwhile
I am the first one to admit that IBM has made some monumental blunders
vis-a-vis mainframes and the market place. But to state that they are
deliberately and intentionally doing anything to harm the market is ludicrous.
The fight with PSI is all about whether or not the platform that runs
On 4 Apr 2007 09:44:38 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Day) wrote:
If PSI wins, and IBM is forced to license z/OS on any platform, who is going
to be driving the train?
Someone has to. In my opinion, what will kill the mainframe is if the market
becomes a commodities
market where anyone can
David Day says
I am the first one to admit that IBM has made some monumental
blunders
vis-a-vis mainframes and the market place. But to state that they are
deliberately and intentionally doing anything to harm the market is
ludicrous.
I don't think anyone really believes they are
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SNIP
It is surely true that IBM has been
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:45:37 -0600, David Day wrote:
... In my opinion, what will kill the mainframe is if the market becomes a
commodities market where anyone can buy a $500 pc and get a license to run
z/OS.
Funny, that is pretty close to the market that pushed OS/2 out of the way
and
May I posit this theory? In the market today are 3 kinds of computers:
Intel-based, Unix-based, and the MF. Each of these is designed to do
certain kinds of task and have certain strengths. To use a sports analogy,
the Intel-based computers win the 100-yard dash. They are built for speed.
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From: Marcia Harelik
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It's all about right fit and balanced workload within an IT environment.
What's the tipping point? When should a company move from Unix to MF? Or
from Intel to Unix? What's the right mix of computers and TCO? Really hard
UNSNIP
I think you
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Getting back to Steve's point
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