Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Is there any way to force a job to swap out, even if the computer has lots of spare CPU cycles? I think the answer is no, but thought it was worth asking. E jobname,QUIESCE Or: E jobname,Q But, the real question is why is there a contention when there is spare capacity. The above addresses

Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-25 Thread Greg Shirey
If you attempt to create a Resource Group with a maximum of zero service units, message IWMAM515 is generated: Maximum capacity must be an integer in the range 1 - 999,999. (IWMAM515) Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Co. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-25 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to QUIESCE the task will work, if it is swappable. If non-swappable, create a ServiceClass (such as SWAPOUT) that points to a Resource Group (such as RG_SWAP) with a maximum of ZERO Service Units specified. Then reset

Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-25 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to Is there any way to force a job to swap out, even if the computer has lots of spare CPU cycles? I think the answer is no, but thought it was worth asking. E jobname,QUIESCE Or: E jobname,Q But, the real

Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-25 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
Need to make a correction. MAX has to be 1 (WLM won't allow zero). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 Friday 9:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: WLM question that I'm

Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-25 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
That is correct, I should have said MIN=0, or just leave it blank. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Shirey Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 Friday 8:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I

Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-25 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Of Norman Hollander on DesertWiz Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to Need to make a correction. MAX has to be 1 (WLM won't allow zero). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m

WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Hello list, Is there any way to force a job to swap out, even if the computer has lots of spare CPU cycles? I think the answer is no, but thought it was worth asking. We are having major slowdown problems trying to run disk-based cloning of Oracle databases on a DMX-4 that is being shared with

WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-24 Thread Gerhard Adam
Yes, just QUIESCE the job. Adam -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to

2010-06-24 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 Thursday 8:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: WLM question that I'm afraid I know the answer to Hello list, Is there any way to force a job to swap out, even

WLM question

2010-04-23 Thread Jim McAlpine
We use the Dallas RDP for development so our guest z/OS system has only 1 cpu assigned. This doesn't cause a problem for most circumstances except when one of our developers is running a debugging application in CICS that CICS system can be using 95% of the cpu and all other applications are very

Re: WLM question

2010-04-23 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.com wrote in message news:j2u21d1f8c21004230241wf042c0e3v5b4e7bb0a8fed...@mail.gmail.com... We use the Dallas RDP for development so our guest z/OS system has only 1 cpu assigned. This doesn't cause a problem for most circumstances except when one of our

Re: WLM question

2010-04-23 Thread Jim McAlpine
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM kees.vern...@klm.com wrote: Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.com wrote in message news:j2u21d1f8c21004230241wf042c0e3v5b4e7bb0a8fed...@mail.gmail.com... We use the Dallas RDP for development so our guest z/OS system has only 1 cpu

Re: WLM question

2010-04-23 Thread Jim McAlpine
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.comwrote: So can I still have the response time goals and add the resource cap or is it one or the other. Jim McAlpine It's OK, I've found what I wanted. Jim McAlpine

Re: WLM question

2010-04-23 Thread Jim McAlpine
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.comwrote: So can I still have the response time goals and add the resource cap or is it one or the other. Jim McAlpine It's OK, I've found

Re: WLM question

2010-04-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Is there a way to limit the cpu resources used by CICS in this scenario. Yes. Use region goals, and a resource group. I assume it's not production, or else you have to live with it. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For

Re: WLM question

2010-04-23 Thread Mark Zelden
You can do as Kees said. But in WLM you put your goals according to your business objectives. I have worked and work on Dallas systems (or P390 / FLEX) also and the most important work in that environment (other than the OS tasks) is usually TSO. So you might want to consider changing TSO to

Re: WLM question

2010-04-23 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.com wrote in message news:g2k21d1f8c21004230332g233caa5l8b4bd0e2275da...@mail.gmail.com... On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.comwrote: So

Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED

2009-09-28 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
, 2009 2:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED Yes, some of the descriptions leave a little bit to be desired. I like to try to stay away from capping unless absolutely necessary but do have some.   Maybe there was an entry in the notes

WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED

2009-09-22 Thread McKown, John
There is a field in Mainview for z/OS which shows me that a slow running job was delayed to CPUCAP. Does anybody really know exactly what that means? We are using Group Capacity to control our software costs. Is this PRSM and WLM working together to cap the LPAR? Or is this just some WLM delay

Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED

2009-09-22 Thread Patrick Falcone
and 0.81.   This is in SG24-6472-03 Systems Programmers Guide to WLM. --- On Tue, 9/22/09, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com Subject: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Tuesday, September 22

Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED

2009-09-22 Thread Kelman, Tom
List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED There is a field in Mainview for z/OS which shows me that a slow running job was delayed to CPUCAP. Does anybody

Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED

2009-09-22 Thread Patrick Falcone
Hmmm, you're probably right.   John, go to the field descriptor and hit PF1 and you should get the description for the field. --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com wrote: From: Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com Subject: Re: WLM question - delayed due

Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED

2009-09-22 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick Falcone Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED Hmmm, you're probably right.   John, go

Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED

2009-09-22 Thread Patrick Falcone
for myself, as I find going back I'm asking myself sometimes why I did what I did.   I have Mainview, what was the screen name that you saw this in? --- On Tue, 9/22/09, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com Subject: Re: WLM question

Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED

2009-09-22 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick Falcone Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: WLM question - delayed due to CPUCAPPED Yes, some of the descriptions leave a little

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-20 Thread Diehl, Gary (MVSSupport)
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM question. CPU percentages are a much better methodology. They adjust with processor changes. Very cool. I

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-20 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:20:51 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: I calculated my minimums and caps based on a percentage of the MSU's available on the machine. The last time we upgraded to the z9, I had to adjust all the minimums and maximums based on the new machine. So going to a percentage scale will

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-19 Thread Shane
I have a bit of empathy with both Dave and Ted. Personally I like the idea of a percentage - even in an asymmetric sysplex. Much easier. Isolating specific work to a particular CEC ain't that hard. Setting meaningful sysplex-wide goals gets interesting, but that's really a different issue and has

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-19 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:05:38 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a bit of empathy with both Dave and Ted. Personally I like the idea of a percentage - even in an asymmetric sysplex. Much easier. Isolating specific work to a particular CEC ain't that hard. Setting meaningful sysplex-wide

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-19 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:09:19 +0100, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:09:52 -0600, Dave Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:22:56 -0600, Staller, Allan wrote:

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-18 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:22:56 -0600, Staller, Allan wrote: I am generally opposed to resource groups, however, they do have their uses. I find them useful for your purpose (guaranteeing a minimum amount of service). I do not find them useful for capping a workload. The drawbacks I see are: 1)

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-18 Thread Staller, Allan
Dave, Check the archives for my subsequent post. It seems IBM has addressed these issues in z/OS 1.8 See also: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/eserver/zseries/zos/wlm/WLM_zOS_Release_8_Upd ate.pdf HTH, snip I am generally opposed to resource groups, however, they do have their uses. I find them

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-18 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:14:24 -0600, Staller, Allan wrote: Dave, Check the archives for my subsequent post. It seems IBM has addressed these issues in z/OS 1.8 I saw that. CPU percentages are a much better methodology. They adjust with processor changes. Very cool. I'm working on an upgrade to

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-18 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:09:52 -0600, Dave Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:22:56 -0600, Staller, Allan wrote: I am generally opposed to resource groups, however, they do have their uses. I find them useful for your purpose (guaranteeing a minimum amount of service). I do

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
CPU percentages are a much better methodology. They adjust with processor changes. Very cool. I disagree for two reasons: 1. Some shops wish to ensure the same service for a test workload, regardless of how many times the processor is upgraded. 2. What does a percentage mean when there are

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-18 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:08:27 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: CPU percentages are a much better methodology. They adjust with processor changes. Very cool. I disagree for two reasons: 1. Some shops wish to ensure the same service for a test workload, regardless of how many times the processor is

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I calculated my minimums and caps based on a percentage of the MSU's available on the machine. The last time we upgraded to the z9, I had to adjust all the minimums and maximums based on the new machine. So going to a percentage scale will fit nicely in that scheme. And I never have to change

WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread McKown, John
This vaguely relates to my previous sysplex questions. One of the reasons given to split our single image was to guarantee that the non-production work would receive some CPU cycles during high use periods (basically month end). If was felt that using LPAR weights was a way to do this. I am sure

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Tom Schmidt
John, Two words: resource groups. -- Tom Schmidt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Aaron Walker
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:53:28 -0600, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This vaguely relates to my previous sysplex questions. One of the reasons given to split our single image was to guarantee that the non-production work would receive some CPU cycles during high use periods (basically month

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Dave Thorn
When you figure it out let me know. : ) Seriously, don't even try. Instead, look into defining a Resource Group(s) for work that is at the bottom of the pile. If you REALLY want it to get some CPU, define a minimum amount of service you want it to get and WLM will try to do it for you.

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Schmidt Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM question. John, Two words: resource groups. -- Tom Schmidt I was afraid

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Staller, Allan
snip Two words: resource groups. /snip I am generally opposed to resource groups, however, they do have their uses. I find them useful for your purpose (guaranteeing a minimum amount of service). I do not find them useful for capping a workload. The drawbacks I see are: 1) The specifications

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM question. snip Two words: resource groups. /snip I am generally opposed

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:27:43 -0600, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:23 AM snip Two words: resource groups. /snip I am generally opposed to resource groups, however, they do have their uses. I find them useful for your purpose

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The drawbacks I see are: 1) The specifications are in RAW service units( last I heard) rather than weighted service units. For years IBM has recommended that you no longer use the old SDC's. Rather, use 1 for SRB/CPU, .5 for IOC 0 for MSO. Resource classes use unnormalised CPU, only. So, if

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Schmidt Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM question. snip Sorry to see your sysplex disappear over this... ;) -- Tom

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Gerhard Adam
So, my question is, suppose we are in a high CPU use situation. In fact, the CPU is running 100% and some jobs are not receiving any CPU. Everything is running behind in service. That is, the PI for all batch work is 1 . I want to ensure that non-production work will receive CPU cycles. What is

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Staller, Allan
It seems like IBM has addressed my both of concerns in z/OS 1.8. Unfortunately, I am still at 1.7 and haven't reviewed (until now) the new Capabilities. Thanks for prompting me to review the info. snip I am generally opposed to resource groups, however, they do have their uses. I find them

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:16:00 -0600, Aaron Walker wrote: http://www.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/FLASH10609 Abstract: z/OS 1.9 introduced new support to improve z/OS availability. The support, called blocked workload support, is intended to allow small amounts of CPU to be

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:07:10 -0500, Dave Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, if the minimum is too large you may still impact production. (If it's on the same LPAR) As will a weight that is too high on another LPAR if you don't have enough CPU resources. If the biggest reason to split

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:53:28 -0600, McKown, John wrote: ... I want to ensure that non-production work will receive CPU cycles. What is really wanted to to say that production batch will receive 60% of the cycles, Model office about 20% and test about 10%. Yuck! What kind of goal is that? I

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 3:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM question. On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:53:28 -0600, McKown, John wrote: ... I want to ensure

Re: WLM question.

2007-12-17 Thread Patrick Falcone
, 2007 11:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM question. Sorry to see your sysplex disappear over this... ;) -- Tom Schmidt The parallel sysplex disappeared when nobody wanted to pony up for the cost of a CFL. The basic sysplex is now endangered due to the CPU cost

WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Sheldon Davis
Hi We work with CICS DB2 and IMS DBCTL At the moment we use region mode for CICS. Should I have one service class for CICS DB2 and IMS Or one for CICS and one for DBMS's Thanks in advance Sheldon Davis -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Meir Zohar
, July 03, 2007 11:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: WLM Question Hi We work with CICS DB2 and IMS DBCTL At the moment we use region mode for CICS. Should I have one service class for CICS DB2 and IMS Or one for CICS and one for DBMS's Thanks in advance Sheldon Davis

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Ted MacNEIL
For example, your IRLM address space must have higher priority than the other DBMS address spaces. That's not entirely accurate. With the WLM, you have little (or no) control over priorities. The WLM can/does figure out who/what is using what as a 'server', and creates pseudo-service classes

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Kelman, Tom
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: WLM Question Hi We work with CICS DB2 and IMS DBCTL At the moment we use region mode for CICS. Should I have one service class for CICS DB2 and IMS Or one for CICS and one for DBMS's Thanks in advance Sheldon Davis

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Kelman, Tom
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM Question For example, your IRLM address space must have higher priority than the other DBMS address spaces. That's not entirely accurate. With the WLM, you have little

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Ted MacNEIL
You say your using region mode for CICS. Does that mean you haven't set up CICS for transaction response time processing? I would recommend that you do that. CICS will run a lot better that way - in my opinion. I would first 'clean up' the DB2 issues first. And, when I first implemented

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Actually I feel your IRLM should run in SYSSTC. Every request is going to go through that. You don't want to take a chance on it waiting for some TSO user for CPU. Actually, that's what I said in my post (... all three address spaces in SYSSTC ...). Also, what I said was that it all runs

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL You say your using region mode for CICS. Does that mean you haven't set up CICS for transaction response time processing? I would recommend that you do that. CICS will run a lot better that way -

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Kelman, Tom
From John Chase We run only around 6 - 7 million txns/day, and we haven't yet tried transaction goals for CICS. Don't really see any need to try; velocity goals seem to work fine. Especially since installing the z9, we've consistently seen response times under 0.05 seconds.

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Ted MacNEIL
usually set up service agreements to give the customer a certain response time that it would be easier to manage to response time goals. Yes, but are you going to 'guarantee' sub-0.1? And, when we looked into it, we were ending up with one CICS transaction class: 90% within 0.5. You can't

Re: WLM Question

2007-07-03 Thread Dave Barry
dictates the provider run at a higher priority than the requester. db -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM Question Actually I feel your IRLM

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Terry Linsley
Eureka! If one digs deep enough (couple miles should do), RMF III will report what service class a DDF thread was classified into. The reason I wanted this was because I had a strong suspicion one of my prod DDF workloads was still falling out of the ruleset to default (suspicion based on

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Terry Linsley
Timothy, Thanks. That is very good information and I am saving a copy for future use. Unfortunately manglement is dragging it's collective heels in letting us move z/OS 1.4 to production. So any solutions involving z/OS are pretty far out on the radar right now. Our currently contrained

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:23 -0600, Terry Linsley wrote: Eureka! I discovered that the CI was being sent by the AIX system in lower case*. Changed the sub-rule back to type CI and specified the name in lower case, taking care to specify N for fold qualifier name (they sure could have named

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Porowski, Ken
: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] WLM Question Eureka! If one digs deep enough (couple miles should do), RMF III will report what service class a DDF thread was classified into. The reason I wanted this was because I had a strong suspicion one of my prod

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Terry Linsley
Yes, Shane had mentioned that he specifies it both ways also. Seems like a sound approach to me. I plan to do the same. Should save on future headaches. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:28:22 -0500, Porowski, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depending on the application (we have PeopleSoft Financials) some

WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Terry Linsley
Greetings, We have recently suffered some pain due to logic error in our subsytem DDF classification rules. I have made corrections to those rules and performance has improved. But I would like to see concrete proof that all DDF threads are being classified to the service classes I expect. Is

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Porowski, Ken
: [IBM-MAIN] WLM Question Greetings, We have recently suffered some pain due to logic error in our subsytem DDF classification rules. I have made corrections to those rules and performance has improved. But I would like to see concrete proof that all DDF threads are being classified

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Terry Linsley
if it was available at 2.10 level though. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Linsley Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: [IBM-MAIN] WLM Question Greetings, We have recently suffered some pain due

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Staller, Allan
I believe this information is available in RMF III... In a former life, I had this information (os/290 2.9). I do not currently process any work that uses DDF, so I can't point you to specifics. I believe this information is also available in SYSRPTS(WKL)? In the RMF post processor. If nothing

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Rob Scott
The trouble with enclaves is that they can be very short lived things and catching the tiddlers with the SDSF or MXI ENC commands is a matter of luck or furious enter pressing. I don't think that SDSF ENC was available for OS/390 R10 - however I believe that the MXI ENC command will work (its

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Staller, Allan
Rob Scott Wrote: snip What does RMF III on OS/390 R10 provide? /snip I am currently z/OS 1.4 and at that level the RMF Overview Detail reports provide report ENCL Enclave resource consumption and delays (option 1.6 from the RMF III primary menu). ISTR this Same option available at OS/390 2.9

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Diehl, Gary (MVSSupport)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Terry Linsley Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: WLM Question Greetings, We have recently suffered some pain due to logic error in our subsytem DDF classification rules. I have made corrections to those rules and performance

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Terry Linsley
Thanks for the response. Would like to avoid RYO for this. And I can well imagine it would be a hog. But, I don't really need this info continuously. Basically I just want to report on a busy one hour period during our business day. Don't know what RMF III will give me at this level. We are

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Terry Linsley
Thanks. As soon as I get RMF III up and running, I will investigate that report. On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:42:57 -0600, Staller, Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Scott Wrote: snip What does RMF III on OS/390 R10 provide? /snip I am currently z/OS 1.4 and at that level the RMF Overview Detail

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Terry Linsley
: WLM Question Greetings, We have recently suffered some pain due to logic error in our subsytem DDF classification rules. I have made corrections to those rules and performance has improved. But I would like to see concrete proof that all DDF threads are being classified to the service classes I

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Shane
Like Gary, I also heavily use report groups. If memory serves, SDSF ENC support appeared at z/OS 1.2, and so is unavailable to Terry. As of 1.4 it's still severely limited. Everything I've seen posted in this thread has been true for *independent* enclaves - dependant enclaves, whilst rare can be

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 3/23/2006 11:49:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks. As soon as I get RMF III up and running, I will investigate that report. Don't forget to define RMFGAT! It may be in the instructions, but I missed it in the test system and it locks up

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Terry Linsley
That last comment is a little alarming! Our DDF traffic is 1/3 MS Access, 1/3 DB2 connect, and 1/3 locally developed java apps. Of the three, MS Access causes the most pain hands down. Is there a straight forward method of determining if an enclave is dependant? Would an example of one be when

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Terry Linsley
Owie. Thanks, will watch out for that. On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:57:38 EST, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/23/2006 11:49:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks. As soon as I get RMF III up and running, I will investigate that report.

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Todd Burch
dot burch at asg dot com ) - Original Message - From: Terry Linsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: WLM Question Greetings, We have recently suffered some pain due to logic error in our

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Terry Linsley
: WLM Question Greetings, We have recently suffered some pain due to logic error in our subsytem DDF classification rules. I have made corrections to those rules and performance has improved. But I would like to see concrete proof that all DDF threads are being classified to the service

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Shane
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:04 -0600, Terry Linsley wrote: Is there a straight forward method of determining if an enclave is dependant? Would an example of one be when a DB2 utility spawns multiple threads to build an index during a table load or recovery? RMFIII has an indicator - I think

Re: WLM Question

2006-03-23 Thread Timothy Sipples
Terry Linsley writes: Our DDF traffic is 1/3 MS Access, 1/3 DB2 connect, and 1/3 locally developed java apps. Of the three, MS Access causes the most pain hands down. Off on a slight tangent here, there are some things you can do to take the DDF temperature down. I'll list these in order of