Re: TNLs (Was: PDS searches)

2013-05-02 Thread Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4)
Besides what's new in manuals, ISPF HELP, SHARE presentations, etc., I find out about new commands, features, changes by reading DOC holds when I apply maintenance. preliminary note I've been using the SRCHFOR command for some years now. Anyway, before posting, I wanted to read up on the

Re: Mixing C and assembler - under OpenMVS

2013-05-02 Thread Etienne Thijsse
This is it! No more crash. Thanks! As to the book MVS Assembler Language, it's not an IBM doc, it's more a beginners guide by McQuillen Prince from 1987. I'll look up the IBM docs that were mentioned in this thread, thanks also for that. Etienne By default, programs executed under OpenMVS

Re: Mixing C and assembler - under OpenMVS

2013-05-02 Thread Etienne Thijsse
Thank you John, I have downloaded it and I will take a look. Thanks, Etienne On Wed, 1 May 2013 15:17:02 -0500, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: cautionTooting own horn/caution If you're really curious and have the time, you might want to look at my contribution to the CBT

Re: ALL IS FINE : SEEING POSTS AGAIN

2013-05-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
esmie moo wrote: Just to let you know that I am now receiving posts from IBM MAIN. Excellent! ;-D Thanks to whoever fixed the problem. Not me. I did not lift a finger (or my *ss) to fix it, but see below. Elardus, Lizette Willie, thanks for taking the time to help me out during my time of

Duplicate jobname (Yay or Nay) Was - Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
I have given this thread a new name. So flame me... ;-) Strange no one came with another reason why duplicate jobnames are to be prohibited or allowed. It is about resource usage. If you have limited resources, it is better to have your jobs running in sequence. At my site we have limited

Re: Duplicate jobname (Yay or Nay) Was - Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-05-02 12:20, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze: I have given this thread a new name. So flame me... ;-) OK ;-) Strange no one came with another reason why duplicate jobnames are to be prohibited or allowed. Right. The only thing considered was compatibility vs ne feature exploitation.

Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Markus Haselbach
Hello, we start using LFAREA (1M pages) with z/OS 1.13 and DB2 10 on z196. From IBM I read: Using large pages can improve performance for some applications by reducing the overhead of dynamic address translation. We wonder how to measure this performance improvement. What we're trying now is

Re: ALL IS FINE : SEEING POSTS AGAIN

2013-05-02 Thread John Dawes
Me 3.  I hadn't received any mail for quite a while (8 weeks at least) From: Mark Regan netsfw-ibmm...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 9:24 AM Subject: Re: ALL IS FINE : SEEING POSTS AGAIN Ditto for me too, to my Yahoo Mail

DFHSM QUESTION - ARC0570I RC=25 REASON=0

2013-05-02 Thread John Dawes
G'Day,   I am trying to migrate a ML0 volume however I am encountering some difficulty.   I issued the command HSEND MIGRATE VOLUME(SYC103) DAYS(2)   I received the following error message :   ARC0570I COMMAND MIGRATION FOR SYC103 VOLUME(S) TERMINATED, RC=25 REASON=0   I even tried HSEND MIGRATE

as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Etienne Thijsse
Hi All, I am compiling an assembler source under OpenMVS. Using the C compiler, this is no problem, I can do cc -c bla.s which gives me an object named bla.o. But the assembler as will not do this, it keeps giving me the error ** ASMA935U One or more required files not available without

Re: as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Etienne Thijsse
On Thu, 2 May 2013 07:17:00 -0600, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: Those three are all available. And I changed _AS_MACLIB to just IMS.SDFSMAC, there was no change. I think as is complaining about something else... if it would just say which those required files are... The C

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-05-02 15:35, Pommier, Rex R. pisze: Radoslaw, One additional reason would be expediency - which relates to the territorialism Ted mentioned. One of the shops I work at has a scheduler, with a separate scheduling team that owns the scheduler and all the schedules that go into it.

Re: as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On May 2, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Etienne Thijsse e.thij...@chello.nl wrote: Those three are all available. And I changed _AS_MACLIB to just IMS.SDFSMAC, there was no change. I think as is complaining about something else... if it would just say which those required files are... The C

Re: as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Steve Comstock
On 5/2/2013 7:26 AM, Etienne Thijsse wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2013 07:17:00 -0600, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: Those three are all available. And I changed _AS_MACLIB to just IMS.SDFSMAC, there was no change. I think as is complaining about something else... if it would just

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
W dniu 2013-05-02 15:35, Pommier, Rex R. pisze: Radoslaw, One additional reason would be expediency - which relates to the territorialism Ted mentioned. One of the shops I work at has a scheduler, with a separate scheduling team that owns the scheduler and all the schedules that go into

Re: as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Etienne Thijsse
Great, this works :-) _C89_SSYSLIB=CEE.SCEEMAC:SYS1.MACLIB:SYS1.MODGEN:IMS.SDFSMAC export _C89_SSYSLIB c89 -c bla.s Thanks! Etienne On Thu, 2 May 2013 15:48:43 +0200, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Hi Never used as, we are using the c89 to compile assembler

Re: Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Anthony Hirst
I've rolled it out into 2 of our test LPARs and have been using the HIS 113 records to try and measure the improvement. Specifically looking at the percentage of TLB miss processor cycles. I haven't seen an improvement using that metric, going into production this month so stay tuned. On Thu,

Re: as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Etienne Thijsse
It gives some pseudo JCL: //SYSLINDD DSN=/path/to/bla.s //SYSLIBDD DSN=IMS.SDFSMAC //SYSIN DD DSN=/path/to/bla.s //SYSTERM DD DSN=/dev/fd2 Maybe its the /dev/fd2 that6 is troublesome Anyway, I will use the _C89_SSYSLIB method of the previous poster, that works. Thanks,

Re: as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Steve Comstock
On 5/2/2013 8:06 AM, Etienne Thijsse wrote: Great, this works :-) _C89_SSYSLIB=CEE.SCEEMAC:SYS1.MACLIB:SYS1.MODGEN:IMS.SDFSMAC export _C89_SSYSLIB c89 -c bla.s Thanks! Etienne Glad you were able to solve your problem. So the analogous process for 'as' would be:

Re: DFHSM QUESTION - ARC0570I RC=25 REASON=0

2013-05-02 Thread Staller, Allan
25 There is a space management request on an SMS-managed volume with DBA or DBU specified, or a nonzero value of days on MIGRATE (days) or DAYS (days) is specified on a MIGRATE command. From the DFHSM STORAGE ADMIN manual, the following combinations of parameters are allowed:

Re: Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 2 May 2013 06:07:13 -0500, Markus Haselbach markus.haselb...@credit-suisse.com wrote: Hello, we start using LFAREA (1M pages) with z/OS 1.13 and DB2 10 on z196. From IBM I read: Using large pages can improve performance for some applications by reducing the overhead of dynamic address

Re: DFHSM QUESTION - ARC0570I RC=25 REASON=0

2013-05-02 Thread Richard Marchant
John, If you are migrating to another primary volume use the command: MIGRATE VOLUME(SYC103 MIGRATE(5)) CONVERT(VOL001) Where VOL001 is another DFHSM managed volume If you are migrating to ML1 or ML2 you must specify them instead of the CONVERT keyword. Richard -Original Message-

Re: Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
I suspect that any real performance gains will happen with the EC12 processor equipped with flash memory as a paging device. Vacation Notice: None Tom Puddicombe Mainframe Performance Capacity Planning CSC 31 Brookdale Rd, Meriden, CT 06450 ITIS | (860) 428-3252 | tpudd...@csc.com |

Re: as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Etienne Thijsse
I tried this, it does not work. The same ASMA935U error occurs. Maybe 'as' itself has configuration issues... I don't know. I'll use c89. Thanks, Etienne On Thu, 2 May 2013 08:13:26 -0600, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: On 5/2/2013 8:06 AM, Etienne Thijsse wrote: Great, this

Re: Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Why? I would expect performance gain in more efficient real storage management, not in more efficient paging. We don't page anymore these days, do we? Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas H Puddicombe Sent:

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Ah, the dubious joys of working in an environment where quality control consists of firing the one who appears to have committed an error, rather than analyzing the problem and eliminating the root-cause factors that could lead to the same error being repeated by someone else in the future.

Re: Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 2 May 2013 10:30:09 -0400, Thomas H Puddicombe tpudd...@csc.com wrote: I suspect that any real performance gains will happen with the EC12 processor equipped with flash memory as a paging device. Vacation Notice: None Tom Puddicombe Mainframe Performance Capacity Planning CSC The

Re: Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
Unless Parkinson's Law has been repealed, demand for any finite resource (such as central storage) will continue to outstrip supply. Also, the Law of Unintended Consequences seems also to be in full force and effect. Vacation Notice: None Tom Puddicombe Mainframe Performance Capacity

Re: Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/2/2013 7:18 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: Obviously there is an underlying CPU usage improvement, but I'm not sure where it would show up in (*master*)? Better TLB coverage means fewer DAT translations thus faster execution. The CPU savings should show up directly in the TCB/SRB time of

Re: Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/2/2013 7:47 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: The zEC12 allows large pages to be paged to flash. While that may lessen the need for the total amount of real storage, how can it be better performing than fixed 1M pages that are the only option for large pages prior to the zEC12 with flash? LOL.

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Gould
R.S. That would mean that the scheduler had its own security and letting applications near production. Then the finger pointing would start and never end. No Thanks. Ed On May 1, 2013, at 4:48 PM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2013-05-01 21:56, Ted MacNEIL pisze: Which shops allow test/development

Re: Duplicate jobname (Yay or Nay) Was - Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Mike Schwab
One place I did this by design was when I was decommisioning DASD. I would use 1 job of ICKDSF TRKFMT per logical volume and 1 name for each physical array in the box. When they wanted me to rush, I would do 2 names for each physical array, but the thrashing would slow each job. The two jobs

OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
This question has nothing to do with mainframes (other than that I am trying to name an option for a mainframe program) but I know there are some ultra-precise word jockeys here. What is the correct term for K, M or G type notation? If I had integers 1234 and 456, what would you call it if

Re: Performance gains with LFAREA ?

2013-05-02 Thread Mike Schwab
I think one person found a lot of OpenMVS programs being repeatedly loaded. So they wrote a little program that LOADed the object modules into the LF area and ended. They now remain in core until shutdown. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread John McKown
K is ISO for Kilo meaning times 1000. Ki is ISO for Kibi meaning times 1024 ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8 http://www.nist.gov/pml/pubs/sp330/index.cfm http://www.nist.gov/pml/pubs/sp811/index.cfm On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:57 AM,

Re: as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Kirk Wolf
The doc says: *ASMA935U* *One* *or* *more* *required* *files* *not* *available* *Explanation:* The assembler encountered an error when attempting to open a required file. *System* *Action:* Before this message is issued, one or more associated messages are issued that describe which file or

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Charles Mills wrote: ...ultra-precise word jockeys here. ...have already discussed 1001 times on IBM-MAIN and posted/refered in IBM-MAIN this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#IEC_standard_prefixes There you will learn about kibi and friends. Enjoy. ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Don Williams
Perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix will answer your question. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: OT - What is

Check out BBC News - Atoms star in world's smallest movie from IBM

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Finnell
_BBC News - Atoms star in world's smallest movie from IBM_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22364761) Almost Friday! Anyway, this is way cool...literally and figuratively. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
No, no one is answering the question I tried to ask. Sorry if I was unclear. I am NOT asking what is the difference between kilo and kibi? or is it right to refer to 1024 as 1K? or anything like that. I am asking what you CALL that KIND of notation. If my program outputs numbers as 1234 and

Re: ALL IS FINE : SEEING POSTS AGAIN

2013-05-02 Thread John Dawes
Yes, I noticed that.  Is there a quick way of deleting them after I have read them? From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: ALL IS FINE : SEEING POSTS AGAIN Don't be surprised if

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
Or phrasing the question differently: consider the integer 4560. It may be expressed as 4.56 x 10**7 or 4.56E7 in scientific notation; or as 45.6 x 10**6 in engineering notation; or as 45.6M in ___ notation; or as 4560 in _ notation. Can anyone fill in those blanks?

Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error

2013-05-02 Thread Staller, Allan
GTF may be started at any time. There should be other messages indicating the error. Check your system log. If necessary, try S GTF.GTF,,,MSGCLASS=x (x= any held sysout class) e.g. trace dataset not specified, SYSOUT dataset missing... etc. Al Staller | Z Systems Programmer | KBM

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread John Gilmore
See the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) website: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html They are called binary and decimal prefixes (sic). The more commonly used, (10^3)^n, notation is formally called SI decimal-prefix notation. The binary, (2^3)^n, notation is

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-05-02 17:14, Ed Gould pisze: R.S. That would mean that the scheduler had its own security and letting applications near production. Then the finger pointing would start and never end. No Thanks. 1. Yes, at least schedulers I know do have its own security (means: RACF profiles).

CFRM Policy with new CPU

2013-05-02 Thread Mohamed Juma
Hi We are in migration stage from old Z9 to zEC12 CPU, in parallel sysplex environment, regarding CFRM we referring now to  two CFs, internal and external CFs. I will configure new CFRM policy referring to the new CFs. I have some doubt, that when I will IPL with the new policy with the new

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Don Williams
K, Ki, are scaling factors, therefore I would call that type of formatting scaled format. I expect most people would understand what I meant. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Thursday, May 02,

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread J R
ITYM: (2^10)^n, notation = = Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 14:31:45 -0400 From: jwgli...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation? To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU See the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) website:

Re: CFRM Policy with new CPU

2013-05-02 Thread Alan Field
Create a CFRM policy with ALL your CFs defined, both existing and new. Change the PREFLIST to specify ALL the CFs. e.g. PREFLIST(NEW1,NEW2,OLD1,OLD2) Activate the policy. This the key step. Now no matter what combination of old and new CFs you come up on the structures will be allocated.

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Tony Harminc
On 2 May 2013 14:31, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Strictly speaking nude values like 1.234K are not well formed. They specify a magnitude but not a unit, kilobyte or kibibyte, kilocalorie or kibicalorie, kilogram or kibigram, kilometer or kibimeter, etc., etc. To the question 'If

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Joel C. Ewing
I get it. The question is not about what scaling factor is being specified, or even the name of a specific measurement units designation, but a more general-level question of what kind of name would one give to the concept of a scaled number representation like 23.5K or 23.6M, if for example

Re: CFRM Policy with new CPU

2013-05-02 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
Agree with this. Given a recent experience I'd also very specifically also update the COUPLExx member to explicitly load the correct policy. This is more a safety measure than anything else - I had a bad experience in just updating a CFRM policy and now am pretty gun-shy about updates like this.

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Gould
Radoslaw: My My you must never have worked in the US have you? The politics are horrendous and the incompetence at times is astounding. I have worked in several places where oops are *NOT* allowed. OOPs means fired. 30 years ago it was not a big item. Now days jobs are extremely hard to

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Gould
Joel: Finding quality operators in the first place is always an issue. Having said that the nightmare of telling the difference between job and job is not easy and is just fraught with possibility of error and frankly in a shop where hundred (if not thousands) of jobs come in

Re: CFRM Policy with new CPU

2013-05-02 Thread Mohamed Juma
Alan, in this case, I have to put new names for the new CF. I was thinking to keep the old names.   I think you also mean, that I have to make this change in the running system before IPL the new system.   Mohamed   From: Jerry Whitteridge

Re: CFRM Policy with new CPU

2013-05-02 Thread Alan Field
Yes, you will need new names for the CFs. We just upgraded our processors and we had CF1 and CF2, In the new processors I defined CF3 and CF4 so we are now running with CFs named CF3 and CF4 only. Note though. In the IOCDS I named the NEW CF lpars CF1 and CF2 s so that in the CFRM policy CF3

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Gould
R.S. On May 2, 2013, at 1:38 PM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2013-05-02 17:14, Ed Gould pisze: R.S. That would mean that the scheduler had its own security and letting applications near production. Then the finger pointing would start and never end. No Thanks. 1. Yes, at least schedulers I know do

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 2 May 2013 10:14:04 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: R.S. That would mean that the scheduler had its own security and letting applications near production. No, not its own security. RACF. Then the finger pointing would start and never end. No Thanks. Look. If you let people submit jobs

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
You do get it! g Your second sentence is a perfect exposition of what I was trying to ask. Your last paragraph is a perfect exposition of the problem I am solving with the K notation. Thanks all, especially JG. Scaled seems to be pretty good. Not sure what the opposite is? NoScaled? Unscaled?

Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/2/2013 12:46 PM, Ed Gould wrote: Finding quality operators in the first place is always an issue. Having said that the nightmare of telling the difference between job and job is not easy and is just fraught with possibility of error and frankly in a shop where hundred (if not

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-05-02 21:34, Ed Gould pisze: Radoslaw: My My you must never have worked in the US have you? Ed, You must never have worked in Croatia, have you? And now, please be so kind and explain your point. BT The politics are horrendous and the incompetence at times is astounding. We are

Re: CFRM Policy with new CPU

2013-05-02 Thread Tom Ambros
I vaguely remember some advice somewhere that it is cleaner to remove the CF definitions as you go. 'Setting Up A Sysplex' has procedures to do this. Same reason we don't maintain the DR CF definitions in our policies because structure allocation may get twisty. I'd go something like this:

Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error

2013-05-02 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on 05/02/2013 02:09:35 PM: From: Campbell Jay james.l.campb...@irs.gov To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 05/02/2013 04:55 PM Subject: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error

2013-05-02 Thread Jim Mulder
From: Campbell Jay james.l.campb...@irs.gov To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 05/02/2013 05:04 PM Subject: Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Yeah - typos are a pain. Issue open with IBM. I *am* IBM. Or at least,

Re: as OpenMVS assembler always gives ASMA935U

2013-05-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2588149503609564.wa.e.thijssechello...@listserv.ua.edu, on 05/02/2013 at 08:04 AM, Etienne Thijsse e.thij...@chello.nl said: But the assembler as will not do this, it keeps giving me the error ** ASMA935U One or more required files not available What messages do you have in your message

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread John Gilmore
'Scaled', 'scaling', and their cognates have a long history in computing. Packed-decimal arithmetic results are scaled programmatically in compiled COBOL code. In assembly language, on the other hand, all packed-decimal arithmetic is integer arithmetic. The programmer who uses it for

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-02 Thread John Gilmore
Some shops have even institutionalized practices that produce duplicate jobname values. I know of one that long required development programmers who used the submit command to use their TSOIDs as the name of every job they submitted. I suggested that it would be helpful to these programmers if

Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error

2013-05-02 Thread Jim Mulder
Cool ! We are trying to start a GTF trace for DB2 started tasks that are already running. They end with AHL007I... RC=8. Parms are TRACE=USRP,USR=(FB9),END. When we add JOBNAMEP and the started task names - they fail the same way. Except - we can start GTF for any jobname that's not

Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error

2013-05-02 Thread Jim Mulder
We are trying to start a GTF trace for DB2 started tasks that are already running. They end with AHL007I... RC=8. Parms are TRACE=USRP,USR=(FB9),END. When we add JOBNAMEP and the started task names - they fail the same way. Except - we can start GTF for any jobname that's not running on a

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Gould
Hmmm.. not quite Paul: Special other things have to be done, one of which is sourcing from where the job came from. My memory is rough here but I know we had to allow special processing if the job came from UCC7 (my memory is vague here because it was a while ago but in no uncertain terms

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Gould
On May 2, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Charles Mills wrote: You do get it! g Your second sentence is a perfect exposition of what I was trying to ask. Your last paragraph is a perfect exposition of the problem I am solving with the K notation. Thanks all, especially JG. Scaled seems to be pretty

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Gould
NOT with the quality of operators we had ... Ed On May 2, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 5/2/2013 12:46 PM, Ed Gould wrote: Finding quality operators in the first place is always an issue. Having said that the nightmare of telling the difference between job and job is not

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 2 May 2013 17:22:51 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Some shops have even institutionalized practices that produce duplicate jobname values. I know of one that long required development programmers who used the submit command to use their TSOIDs as the name of every job they All because they

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 5/2/2013 4:08 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Yeah, I suppose it might say just plain In = 25.7KB, but, as we say, the program doesn't work that way. (Also, due to other constraints it MUST appear in a string format message, not in tabular form like most mainframe reports.) This reminds me of G

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/2/2013 2:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2013 17:22:51 -0400, John Gilmore wrote: Some shops have even institutionalized practices that produce duplicate jobname values. I know of one that long required development programmers who used the submit command to use their TSOIDs as

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Ed Gould
On May 2, 2013, at 3:39 PM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2013-05-02 21:34, Ed Gould pisze: Radoslaw: My My you must never have worked in the US have you? Ed, You must never have worked in Croatia, have you? And now, please be so kind and explain your point. BT Outside of the US companies tend to

Re: Check out BBC News - Atoms star in world's smallest movie from IBM

2013-05-02 Thread Mike Schwab
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Atom Movie and three still pictures. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com wrote: _BBC News - Atoms star in world's smallest movie from IBM_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22364761) Almost Friday! Anyway,

Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error

2013-05-02 Thread DASDBILL2
TMON/MVS (possibly under a newer name than when I developed this part of it in 1987) sets itself up as an application using the Monitor Call Trace Facility when and only when a short-duration I/O trace is requested by a TMON/MVS user .  It removes all its Monitor Call control blocks when the

Re: ALL IS FINE : SEEING POSTS AGAIN

2013-05-02 Thread Mike Schwab
Select a pageful and click delete? On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:27 PM, John Dawes jhn_da...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Yes, I noticed that. Is there a quick way of deleting them after I have read them? From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To:

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51827b4a.4070...@acm.org, on 05/02/2013 at 09:42 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: Ah, the dubious joys of working in an environment where quality control consists of firing the one who appears to have committed an error, rather than analyzing the problem and eliminating the

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0a4a01ce474d$c93942b0$5babc810$@mcn.org, on 05/02/2013 at 11:57 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: What is the correct term for K, M or G type notation? IEC prefixes or IEC decimal prefixes if you need to distinguish them from Ki, Mi, Gi et al. OTOH, what would be the contrasting

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Mike Schwab
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In 51827b4a.4070...@acm.org, on 05/02/2013 at 09:42 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: Ah, the dubious joys of working in an environment where quality control consists of firing the one who appears

Re: GTF IHL007I Terminating on Error

2013-05-02 Thread DASDBILL2
My tests with GTF in 1987-1988 indicated that whichever application - GTF or TMON/MVS - was started first would succeed in using the MC control block structure and whichever application was started next would suffer a S0F6 (or maybe S0F8) ABEND.  I produced a work-around in about 3 weeks of

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-02 Thread Frank Swarbrick
They've been brainwashed. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 3:22 PM Subject: Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running) Some shops have even institutionalized practices that

ICSF and PIN printing

2013-05-02 Thread Frank Swarbrick
We finally converted from using Thales HSMs to using ICSF for our PIN processing.  Yay. One thing I've been wondering, but haven't asked because in production we outsource our printing of PIN mailers, is what options others use for this function.  ICSF itself doesn't appear to support it

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Scott Ford
Ok guys ..I understand the science here but I learned a K = 1024 bytes not 1000 ...am I too old school . Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On May 2, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: You do get it! g Your second

Re: OT - What is the proper term for K notation?

2013-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
The code is done LOL. Nope, no options. What you get is what you get. Customers are happy with it. I now have a need to be able to turn it OFF (not customer unhappiness; machine parsing: machines are happier with 7867543225 than with 7.86G). So now I need a name for it and for its negation.

Re: Check whether job still running

2013-05-02 Thread Phil Smith
Could the first job maybe specify a data set, and then you write a program to check for an ENQ on that data set? Not sure if this solves the problem you're trying to solve... ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Duplicate job names (Was: Check whether job still running)

2013-05-02 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Sorry. No insult intended. But, you've been z/OS for what 3 years? How would you feel if a bunch of MVS'rs came and b*tched about 40+ years of VSE practices that I'm sure are just as ingrained? How can you know where I'm at if you ain't where I've been? Understand where I'm coming from? - Ted