Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Tom Brennan
On 11/21/2018 6:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: A half-century ago, I saw a magazine article suggesting that FORTRAN (*the* language then) should treat '0' and 'O' as interchangable. OK. I can write "C0NTINUE" instead of "CONTINUE". But it restricts the name space for variables. (And I wondered

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 18:29:41 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote: > >Just today I typed "sstar trek insurrection" into Google and I didn't >bother to fix the double ss or worry if I spelled that big word >correctly, because I knew Google would fix it for me. > A half-century ago, I saw a magazine article

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 21:02:31 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote: > >Yeah, that's bad too. It's always seemed to me that a well-designed system >would take input, uppercase the parts that don't need >case sensitivity (the non-USS bits, in z/OS, due to the historical UNIX >mistake-oops, there I go

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Tom Brennan
Maybe someday everything will be like Google, so I can type DNS= (which I do often enough) and the system will ask me "Did you mean DSN?" Just today I typed "sstar trek insurrection" into Google and I didn't bother to fix the double ss or worry if I spelled that big word correctly, because I

Re: Checksum or hashing

2018-11-21 Thread Phil Smith III
Gil wrote: >MitM? Key word was "accidental". Don't think MitM qualifies, does it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Phil Smith III
Gil wrote, in part: >"Right/wrong" and "broken/fixed" are highly subjective. True. I was being a bit provocative, deliberately. To the folks who mention other languages: I disbelieve that anyone was worried about those when UNIX was created. Happy to hear evidence to the contrary, but a

Re: [OT] z/OS (not OS/390) (with apologies to They Might be Giants- Istanbul, not Constantinople)

2018-11-21 Thread Edward Finnell
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Re: [OT] z/OS (not OS/390) (with apologies to They Might be Giants- Istanbul, not Constantinople)

2018-11-21 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
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Re: VTAM Question

2018-11-21 Thread Attila Fogarasi
It results in SNA sense code 088A0003 (resource not available) and how that is handled depends upon the terminal type and definition. If you are asking about Telnet (TN3270/E) terminals then that in turn depends on the Telnet configuration such as AUTOLOGON. Most likely no MSG10 but it may be

Re: [OT] z/OS (not OS/390) (with apologies to They Might be Giants- Istanbul, not Constantinople)

2018-11-21 Thread Charles Mills
Interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_(Not_Constantinople) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Pew, Curtis G Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
No; UNPK sets "unsigned" zones over the leftmost digits. That's why you have the funny offset for the translate table when you use UNPK and TR to translate from binary to hex. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe

OS_DOWNSTACK , 64-bit

2018-11-21 Thread Pierre Fichaud
I'm recompiling C/C++ modules for 64-bit using c89. My compiler options are ENUM(INT),DLL(NOCBA),langlvl(LIBEXT),ARCH(5),TUNE(7),GONUMBER,FLAG(I),XPLINK(STOREARGS),EXPORTALL,SPILL(448),LP64,GOFF I'm getting this message: CCN8806 (W) The linkage specifier "OS_DOWNSTACK" is not supported in the

Re: OS/390 (not z/OS) question

2018-11-21 Thread Robert Longabaugh
Yes 3590 is generic rather than an esoteric that you can define at your site. If you are just referring to the data set with DISP=OLD or DISP=MOD, and not specifying "UNIT=", the system will assign the output device based on the catalog entry. This was helpful when my previous site converted

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Those aren't ASCII. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 6:13 PM To:

Re: Non-IBM computers using EBCDIC was Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
The 7090 did not have anything special for EBCDIC, but it could select 6-bit or 8-bit mode for data on a 301 or 1302; I don't recall the details. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of

Re: [OT] z/OS (not OS/390) (with apologies to They Might be Giants- Istanbul, not Constantinople)

2018-11-21 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Nov 21, 2018, at 2:10 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > > [sound of clapping] > > One nit: Islip, right? Or was Icelip a joke that went over my head? > The day before Thanksgiving is pretty much the same as Friday, right? Anyway, my nit would be with the subject. While They Might Be Giants did

Re: OS/390 (not z/OS) question

2018-11-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
Isn't 3590 a generic? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Thigpen Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: OS/390 (not z/OS) question

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Seymour J Metz
And if you ask them to read it back, you cannot guaranty that what they read back is what they actually typed. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Wednesday,

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Peter Hunkeler
Just recognized that the parameter STATE=INACTIVE was missing in my previous post SETPROG EXIT,MODIFY,EXITNAME=SYS.IEFUSI,MODNAME=IEFUSI,STATE=INACTIVE -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: [OT] z/OS (not OS/390) (with apologies to They Might be Giants- Istanbul, not Constantinople)

2018-11-21 Thread Charles Mills
[sound of clapping] One nit: Islip, right? Or was Icelip a joke that went over my head? Charles (a different Charles) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 1:51 PM To:

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Peter Hunkeler
Trying to follow-up on the stuff that Peter has suggested, I'm still chasing that elusive '54M' - Who sets it? Where is it set? How can I override it? It seems you missed this statement in my first reply in this thread: IEFUSI will gin control in the BPXAS address space before the UNIX process

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Checksum or hashing

2018-11-21 Thread Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek)
Here is more information on the CBTTape.Org file 900 which may provide more information for the OP and others: //***FILE 900 is a set of programs which run under either old MVS //* or z/OS to calculate MD5 checksums. Please see the //* member called @FILEMD5, which

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Jackson, Rob
This is what standalone restore is for, Sean. But if you don't have one built, you could try this: http://www.cbttape.org/~jjaeger/zzsa.html. I've used it before but not on anything more recent than a z10. If it will IPL, you can find your IEFUSI module and make it like IEFBR14. First

VTAM Question

2018-11-21 Thread Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek)
I'm researching options for a DR exercise and we found our main session manager product requires that the license codes be updated before it will work. Gets us in a catch-22 in that if you don't plan the DR then you don't have the DR license keys and thus when we IPL the session manager will

Re: Checksum or hashing

2018-11-21 Thread Kirk Wolf
Agreed RE: "SHA-1 not secure". The security concerns with the use of SHA-1 relate to long-term hashes of security credentials like X.509 certificates. If you just want a decent checksum and aren't worried about the *very* unlikely possibility of the same hash for two different documents, then

[OT] z/OS (not OS/390) (with apologies to They Might be Giants- Istanbul, not Constantinople)

2018-11-21 Thread Chris Hoelscher
z/os was os/390 Now it's z/os , not os/390 Been a long time gone, Oh os/390 Now it's Poughkeepsie delight on a moonlit night Every sysprog in os/390 Codes for z/os , not os/390 if you've got a billing rate for os/390 It'll be higher in z/os Even old Islandia was once New East Icelip

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
I'm assuming that OP has no other functioning OS, no ability to edit or zap the failing system externally. I've never actually done this and don't have any example, but you might be able to use the IPL LOADPARM to force operator prompting at NIP. That lives in HMC on the IPL screen. If you

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Carmen Vitullo
if your using the PROG00 member to add the exit, deleting the member does nothing, you will probably need to issue a SETPROG EXIT DELETE,EXITNAME=xx too late now but remove this EXIT ADD if it exists maybe this will help Carmen Vitullo - Original Message - From: "Sean Gleann"

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Sean Gleann
Thanks, Allan, but I can't get any tasks of any nature started - no VTAM, no TSO, so no copy is possible. (I'll squirrel that 'SYS1.AOSB3' info away, though, for possible future reference - hopefully never) Sean On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 16:38, Allan Staller wrote: > If you have customized

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:13:33 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:07:24 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote about UNPK: >>It sets the zone bits to F when in EBCDIC mode and to 5 when in ASCII mode. >> >5? I would have expected 3: Yes, in retrospect, I would have expected 3 too. Remember

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Allan Staller
If you have customized IEFUSI, reassemble you customized exit. IF not, copy SYS1.AOSB3 to SYS1.LLPALIB and re-ipl. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Sean Gleann Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Region

Re: Region size for OMVS tasks

2018-11-21 Thread Sean Gleann
Trying to follow-up on the stuff that Peter has suggested, I'm still chasing that elusive '54M' - Who sets it? Where is it set? How can I override it? So, I created an IEFUSI that, whatever size is requested, whether it be below, above or MEMLIMIT, you get '0M'. Which, I agree, is probably a bit

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
My takeaway from the Shark Tank story is that sometimes you CANNOT guess what the person at other end of the line is actually typing. I've had a few similar conversations where I was blown away when I finally saw in SYSLOG what was being entered. It becomes a quagmire of misdirected

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Mike Schwab
I think he was typing 0 and not ZERO. On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:28 AM Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On 2018-11-20, at 11:26:22, Phil Smith III wrote: > > > > I’ve also always been surprised that no *ix implementation ever bit the > > bullet and tried

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2018-11-20, at 11:26:22, Phil Smith III wrote: > > I’ve also always been surprised that no *ix implementation ever bit the > bullet and tried to fix case sensitivity. Windows, of course, got it right; > alas, given the historical antipathy *ix folks have for Windoze, I fear > that’s all the

Re: OS/390 (not z/OS) question

2018-11-21 Thread Dana Mitchell
Tony, As you noticed, 3590-1 is a system generated 'generic' names of all your tape devices. The conventions are shown here: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.arci000/taptabl.htm In order to steer your allocations to the proper sub-device type, you

Re: So much for THAT excuse | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2018-11-21 Thread Mohammad Khan
Calligraphic styles in Arabic (and other languages using the Arabic script) are more akin to fonts in western scripts. Letters do change shapes based on the context i.e. standing alone, at the beginning, middle or end of a word but that's nothing like upper / lower case. Shape of a letter does

z/OS 2.3 and WebSphere application server v7

2018-11-21 Thread Brown, Duncan
I am currently running z/OS 2.1 and WebSphere application server for z/OS v7 and want to upgrade to z/OS 2.3. Has anyone run WebSphere application server for z/OS v7 under z/OS 2.3? I know that the 'official' answer from IBM is that WebSphere v7 is not supported under z/OS 2.3, but we will not

Re: OS/390 (not z/OS) question

2018-11-21 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Thinking back and firing up those old brain cells I recall my lead MVS guy use to export the IODF, alter it as he needed to (adding new esoterics?) and import it back to HCD and build the IODF and IOCDS. I've never done this and I'm not sure your level of HCD will support it but it's worth a

OSPROTECT support

2018-11-21 Thread Jousma, David
All, Just a bit of a heads up for anyone that may already have OSPROTECT z/OS support installed. I was just getting around to start playing with this in my sandbox environment. Hadn't gotten around to it until now because we didn't have the required MCL's applied to our Z14's.Now that I

Re: OS/390 (not z/OS) question

2018-11-21 Thread Tony Thigpen
When I use HCD to 'Work with EDTs', it shows locally defined esoterics, but not the one for 3590-1. When I use HCD to 'View generics by name', I see 3590-1, but I can't change it. Can I just add a 3590-1 in 'Work with EDTs' and then that override the one the system generates? Tony Thigpen

Re: OS/390 (not z/OS) question

2018-11-21 Thread Giovanni Bozzetti
Hi Look redbook SG24-5597 Apr 2000 ABC OS/390 Vol 1has EDT and HCD/IOCP Giovanni -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

MVSCP

2018-11-21 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Hi, I have to make a change in my IODF. It will require a lot of software (MVSCP) type definitions (option 1 .1 in HCD). Is there any way to export these definitions as MVSCP commands, and the import them into HCD? I've done this with IOCP type definitions, but I can't find a way to do this for

Re: Where is the BEA displayed in an LE dump?

2018-11-21 Thread Charles Mills
I don't think it is in there, Bin. Yeah ... g. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Where is the BEA displayed

Re: OS/390 (not z/OS) question

2018-11-21 Thread Giovanni Bozzetti
Hi I believe in OS/390 V2.10 you will need a DECK for IOCP and run some batch job to compile that Look for MVSCP or IOCP Regards Giovanni -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Wednesday, November 21,

Re: OS/390 (not z/OS) question

2018-11-21 Thread Roger Lowe
On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:59:03 -0500, Tony Thigpen wrote: >In an OS/390 2.10 system. where is the esoteric 3590-1 defined? Can it >be overridden? > >We are trying to migrate an old OS/390 system and the first stage is to >migrate the tape usage to a VTL. The VTL looks like 3590-128trk while >the

Re: RESMGR exit vs. end of task

2018-11-21 Thread Peter Relson
Are you able to share what your application cares about, in its resmgr, with respect to the DCB? Have you opened the DCBs in the mainline, not closed them in the mainline, and then expected the RESMGR to close them? Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design

OS/390 (not z/OS) question

2018-11-21 Thread Tony Thigpen
In an OS/390 2.10 system. where is the esoteric 3590-1 defined? Can it be overridden? We are trying to migrate an old OS/390 system and the first stage is to migrate the tape usage to a VTL. The VTL looks like 3590-128trk while the old 3590s are 3590-256trak. The problem is that when an

Where is the BEA displayed in an LE dump?

2018-11-21 Thread Binyamin Dissen
I am looking at an LE dump of an 0C1 due to a branch to the middle of an instruction. If this was a normal dump I would look at the BEA in the RTM2WA to figure out where the bad branch was. The location of the BEA dad does not appear obvious to me. -- Binyamin Dissen

Re: z/OS 2.3 Migration Story

2018-11-21 Thread Shashi Kumar
Hello Mate, Please find my response below. Can you provide the error message that was received? Masking any company specific details. - Attached When you say fails - what specifically fails? What access was needed. What access was available? - CA Endevor batch job got failed due to it has

Re: FTP tape file to another lpar

2018-11-21 Thread Peter
It worked after changing the client side AUTOTAPEMOUNT to true. So internally what does it happens ? It restores the data from tape to DASD temporarily and sends the data to server ? On Tue 20 Nov, 2018, 10:58 PM Jousma, David < 01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > Here is

Re: Checksum or hashing

2018-11-21 Thread Jantje.
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 13:36:56 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: >Is there any utility for z/OS that lets us create SHA1 or MD5 or some such >hash/fingerprint of a dataset or USS file. >The use case is to compare these hashes at source (z/OS) and destination >(linux) after transferring