FW: ADD VIRTUAL MEMORY DYNAMICALLY

2008-08-07 Thread HARROP, Roy
Am I missing something here? The subject matter is Add Virtual Memory Dynamically, which has got to be a function worth having - but why would anyone want to remove it? Surely it's akin to being able to add packs for paging - and you can't take them away (cue for a song?). This may be half a

SWAPGEN EXEC

2008-08-07 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
Hello List, The past day I have tried to get the new version of SWAPGEN into my VM bu t no success so far. I have tried every way I can do a filetransfer but every time I end up in a file I can't use on VM. Can anyone send me the VMARC-ed version of the current SWAPGEN so I can continue? I do

Linux sles9 felt in coma

2008-08-07 Thread Rempel, Horst
Hello, one of our Linux sles9 SP4 DB2 databaseservers running under z/VM 5.3.0 RSU0801 felt yesterday afternoon in a kind of coma. The linux stopped running. The putty-session got an timeout. I was no longer able to ping. The processor for this lpar was only 20% busy for other linux guests at

Re: Linux sles9 felt in coma

2008-08-07 Thread Kris Buelens
The guest may have been stuck in the Eligible list, that is, CP judged there is not enough memory available to let it run, CP wants to protect the system from excessive paging (try #CP IND Q, and look for E1, E2 and E3 values). You could have issued SET QUICKDSP LX004 ON, to tell CP that this can

Re: Next Baybunch at IBM San Francisco-Friday Aug 6

2008-08-07 Thread Tim McCluskey
Hi Karen, I'm RSVP'ing for this Baybunch, Regards, Tim McCluskey On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Pamela Christina - warm and sunny Endicott NY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who near San Francisco Bay area this Friday and who are interested in hearing z/VM and Linux presentations.

R.I.P. 3290

2008-08-07 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
They are finally getting rid of old 3174 control units and we wiill lose our old 3290 local terminal. We had set up it's big screen with 4 terminal sessions. 19 plasma screen. A big deal at the time. It provided the anti-green screens. Kind of orange-y amber. Supposedly better on your eyes. I

Re: SWAPGEN EXEC

2008-08-07 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 7, 2008, at 4:28 AM, Berry van Sleeuwen wrote: Hello List, The past day I have tried to get the new version of SWAPGEN into my VM but no success so far. I have tried every way I can do a filetransfer but every time I end up in a file I can't use on VM. Can anyone send me the

Re: R.I.P. 3290

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Vitale
My sincerest condolences. My 3290 was one of the nicest tubes I ever used, especially with that whole screen devoted to XEDIT. I even miss the little buzzing sound it made during screen updates; you can just imagine the electrons frying. Mark Vitale Product Manager - PERFMAN for DB2,

Re: SWAPGEN EXEC

2008-08-07 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Berry. Adam Thornton wrote: On Aug 7, 2008, at 4:28 AM, Berry van Sleeuwen wrote: Hello List, The past day I have tried to get the new version of SWAPGEN into my VM but no success so far. I have tried every way I can do a filetransfer but every time I end up in a file I can't use on

Re: OSA Adapter TCP/IP stack association limit?

2008-08-07 Thread Robert J Brenneman
The vswitch counts as 1 stack on the OSA, no matter how many systems are behind it. So yes - it gets you around the 640 stacks per OSA issue. That limitation came from the number of subchannels you could generate on the OSA chpid itself. I think it's even higher than 640 for the recent z10 and the

Re: R.I.P. 3290

2008-08-07 Thread Jim Bohnsack
I pulled our 3290's from the operations area 20 or so years ago when the operators tried to ipl one of the system and no one noticed that the OPERATOR console was covered up by the maximized screen of one of the other 3 sessions. One of the sysprogs noticed the VM ipl screen up on his/her

Colin J Page2 is out of the office until Mon 11th August

2008-08-07 Thread Colin J Page2
I will be out of the office starting 07/08/2008 and will not return until 11/08/2008. I am out of the office for one day only, I will respond upon my return. For urgent queries only please contact 07795 333524.

Re: R.I.P. 3290

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Wheeler
Ann, When I came to 3M from ITT Life Insurance (a subsidiary of The Hartford at the time, if you remember) back in 1987, the best thing about the new job was having a nice new 3290 on my desk. We removed all our 3174's probably 7-8 years ago, but my 3290 is still here! The screen is on my desk,

CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread Thomas Kern
What I would like to do is take a list of CMS files and package them together as a single data file compatible with the TSO XMIT and Windows XMIT-Manager programs. I have looked at the PIPELINES BLOCK NETDATA (I am not that good a plumber) and at stacking NETDATA output files together (SPOOL PUN

Re: Next Baybunch at IBM San Francisco-Friday Aug 6

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Post
On 8/7/2008 at 8:44 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Karen, I'm RSVP'ing for this Baybunch, Regards, Tim McCluskey On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Pamela Christina - warm and sunny Endicott NY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Send an RSVP email

cylinder fudge factor for FBA (and SAN and EDEV)

2008-08-07 Thread Rick Troth
I notice on the ouptput from 'q dasd details' the CYL = value, that it is present even if the disk is FBA (VFB-512 attached to CP running second level, or EDEV attached to second level, or even first level EDEV (on the SAN connected system). But fixed block do not have cylinders that can be

Re: SWAPGEN EXEC

2008-08-07 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
Hi Dave, The SWAPGEN creates the VDISK and the zLinux does accept the disk. But swap is not activated on the disk. To activate the swap I have to issue a mkswap before swapon. And after booting the guest it must be done again. I don't know if it is a problem with swapgen, with linux or some

Re: ADD VIRTUAL MEMORY DYNAMICALLY

2008-08-07 Thread Schuh, Richard
To be able to increase memory temporarily to get past a period of unusually high demand. As has been pointed out in the thread, TPF shops invariably have to reserve several GB of memory for native test systems that are seldom used. If that storage could be added temporarily, it could be a real

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread Schuh, Richard
How about PKZIP? Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 8:23 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream What I

Re: SWAPGEN EXEC

2008-08-07 Thread Berry van Sleeuwen
Hello Adam, Ah, nice. Both versions are available now. Thanks. I have the vma-package. Indeed very nice and I use it very much. Regards, Berry. Adam Thornton schreef: On Aug 7, 2008, at 4:28 AM, Berry van Sleeuwen wrote: Hello List, The past day I have tried to get the new version of

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread Kris Buelens
I sending the files in one MVS job that receives them automatically an option? If yes, I've got a solution, I wrote such code for my former client to transfer accounting and alike to MVS; punched some JCL to call IKJEFT01 (that is TSO) with RECEIVE commands, and finally punched the wanted CMS

Re: OSA Adapter TCP/IP stack association limit?

2008-08-07 Thread David Boyes
Does this approach get around the stack limit some way? If we try to put 800 machines on a VLAN, will this blow the limit referenced below? The layer 2 TYPE ETHERNET VSWITCH gets the OSA limits out of the line of fire entirely -- the OSA(s) (note multiple) servicing the VSWITCH just forward

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread David Boyes
Hmm. If the package passes through RSCS, since RSCS doesn't support NETDATA with multiple datasets, won't the package get exploded on transmission? Does anyone have a procedure for combining multiple CMS files into a sing le XMIT data file? /Tom Kern /301-903-2211

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
Kris, I'd be interested in that even if the OP isn't. Jerry Whitteridge Safeway Inc 925 951 4184 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:29 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread Dennis Boone
What I would like to do is take a list of CMS files and package them together as a single data file compatible with the TSO XMIT and Windows XMIT-Manager programs. I have looked at the PIPELINES BLOCK NETDATA (I am not that good a plumber) and at stacking NETDATA output files together

Re: ADD VIRTUAL MEMORY DYNAMICALLY

2008-08-07 Thread Bill Holder
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:25:27 -0700, Mike Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] w rote: ... An alternative - which might even satisfy Mr. Schuh - could be to restri ct detachable memory to that which has been dynamically added after CP wa s iplled. I wouldn't think the SXS would extend into such, which

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:43 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream The purpose is to have a datafile that can be

Re: ADD VIRTUAL MEMORY DYNAMICALLY

2008-08-07 Thread Brian Nielsen
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:48:24 -0500, Bill Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:25:27 -0700, Mike Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... An alternative - which might even satisfy Mr. Schuh - could be to restrict detachable memory to that which has been dynamically added after

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread Thomas Kern
That alternative, I will keep in my back pocket for a last resort. /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:52:37 -0500, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as an aside, the Java jar command can be used to create or explode ZIP type files. Most z/OS shops should have Java. It's

VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Wakser, David
All: The solution is probably simple, but I can't see it (it's been a long week): The following code is in an EXEC. However, when executing, it issues a VM READ after every 100 rdr queue entries, causing the EXEC to go bananas (since it then pulls in a file name or type of

Re: OSA Adapter TCP/IP stack association limit?

2008-08-07 Thread Bruce Hayden
The z9, with updated OSA microcode, can also run the OSA port in shared layer 2 and layer 3 mode.. On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:16 AM, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Downside is that unless you have a z10, I don't think you can have a OSA card in layer 3 and layer 2 mode simultaneously, so

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Bruce Hayden
Well, 100 reader files at about 80 chars per line plus the header, is 8080 bytes, just short of the default 8192 default buffer for returning the output from a CP command. Maybe you need to specify a bigger buffer using the BUFFER option? And, of course, CMS Pipelines would be a much better

Re: OSA Adapter TCP/IP stack association limit?

2008-08-07 Thread David Boyes
The z9, with updated OSA microcode, can also run the OSA port in shared layer 2 and layer 3 mode.. Nifty. Thanks -- one of these days I'll get my brain upgraded for more short term storage. 8-) --db

Re: ADD VIRTUAL MEMORY DYNAMICALLY

2008-08-07 Thread Bill Holder
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:59:33 -0500, Brian Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Did you see my post yesterday regarding XSTORE? I've included it below. Brian Nielsen ... = === Yes, I did saw that and meant to respond but

Re: cylinder fudge factor for FBA (and SAN and EDEV)

2008-08-07 Thread Steve Wilkins
The fudge factor is architecturally taken right out of the RDC data returned from the hardware; this is a left over from the day's when FBA was really built on top of CKD. We always fabricate this now as 777 512-byte blocks (per cylinder) for simulated and emulated devices. Steve Wilkins IBM

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread Thomas Kern
More information: An example of an XMIT file, taken from the CBTTAPE website contains 5 INM R control records. 1) INMR01 with fromnode fromuser tonode touser information 2) INMR02 with an eyecatcher of IEBCOPY 3) INMR02 with an eyecatcher of INMCOPY 4) INMR03 with some original file

Shutting Down DISKACNT

2008-08-07 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
What is the proper way (without using FORCE) to shutdown DISKACNT? I use the following EXEC: /* */ ShutdownDiskAcnt: 'SET SECUSER DISKACNT *' Sleep 02 sec 'CP SEND CP DISKACNT EXT'

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread David Boyes
TAPPDS and TAPEMAC can reassemble unloaded PDSes on CMS. In looking around, also look for INMR123 REXX on your S disk. That seems to do something like what you might want. I suspect that the 'some data' is an IEBCOPY unloaded PDS. Now I have an assembler program that reads an IEBCOPY unloaded

Re: ADD VIRTUAL MEMORY DYNAMICALLY

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Wheeler
A variant of Mike's idea would be to specify by SYSTEM CONFIG parm a ceiling beyond which SXS would not be allocated. You could then IPL a system with a given amount of storage, and subsequently take some away, down as far as the previously-set ceiling. Mark Wheeler, 3M Company

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Hughes, Jim
Try this: MAKEBUF b4 = queued() EXECIO * CP ( STRING Q RDR * ALL Do queued() - B4 . End Jim From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Wakser, David Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 1:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: VM Read problem All:

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Wakser, David
Bruce: RECEIVE has no BUFFER option - so I am confused as to what you mean. David Wakser -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Hayden Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:15 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re:

Re: OSA Adapter TCP/IP stack association limit?

2008-08-07 Thread Bruce Hayden
I see this update in the online version of http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/ioa2z150.pdf (see p. 12): Beginning with the May 2006 version of Licensed Internal Code on z890, z990 and z9 systems only, this restriction has been lifted. With this version of Licensed Internal Code, a layer 2

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread A. Harry Williams
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:22:38 -0400 David Boyes said: TAPPDS and TAPEMAC can reassemble unloaded PDSes on CMS. In looking around, also look for INMR123 REXX on your S disk. That seems to do something like what you might want. OSPDS is a rexx stage for Pipelines that breaks apart a IEBCOPY file.

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Bruce Hayden
It would go on your EXECIO command - that is the one getting the output from CP. I don't know if this is really your problem or not, since I didn't try to make sense of your code, but it is a gotcha anyway. The reason I mention CMS Pipelines is because it will automatically reissue a CP query

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Davis, Larry
EXECIO ( BUFFER Larry -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wakser, David Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:35 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VM Read problem Bruce: RECEIVE has no BUFFER option - so I am

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Wakser, David
Jim: Nope, same results! It ALWAYS stops after 100! David Wakser -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes, Jim Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:32 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VM Read problem Try

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Wakser, David
It would seem to me that that you are correct in that Pipes would make the code a lot nicer - but I would assume the overhead has to be greater. So what is it buying in this instance? I'll look at the EXECIO and see what I can find. David Wakser -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Bruce Hayden
You'd find that the overhead is MUCH less. Remember, you now have the overhead of interpreted Rexx code, every time though the loop. A Pipeline interprets its specification once, then runs the data though it. As the amount of data increases, the overhead becomes less and less.. On Thu, Aug 7,

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Wakser, David
Well, Bruce, you get the prize - if I can ever figure out what the prize should be! It specified BUFFER 8 and the EXEC executed perfectly. If I have time, I will do some testing with this DO loop as opposed to pipes - but it will have to wait until I have more time. David Wakser

Re: ADD VIRTUAL MEMORY DYNAMICALLY

2008-08-07 Thread Brian Nielsen
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:53:03 -0500, Bill Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:51:21 -0500, Bill Holder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot e: = = Yes, I did saw that and meant to respond but forgot. The current support

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Schuh, Richard
The overhead compared to the EXECIO would be greater, but it would likely be less than the EXECIO plus the REXX loop if you can do all of the processing in the pipe. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Mike Rydberg
David, My guess would be that when you invoke RECEIVE it is clearing the queued() output. On the next PULL you will get a VM READ since there in nothing else queued() to read in your do queued() loop. Try this.. 'pipe cp Q RDR ALL FULL | stem recs. '

DTCVSWn Storage

2008-08-07 Thread Schuh, Richard
Is there a way to tell, in real-time, whether the DTCVSW machines are storage constrained? Regards, Richard Schuh

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Wakser, David
Mike: Thanks for the response, but it was, indeed, a buffer problem. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Rydberg Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 3:12 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VM Read problem

Re: CMS Files to XMIT compatible datastream

2008-08-07 Thread Thomas Kern
The TAPPDS and TAPEMAC programs only read IEBPTPCH, IEBUPDTE and IEHMOVE data files. The IEBCOPY program that I have is from a VM/SP 2 version of the Waterloo Mods tape. It is M0091. It is also included in File 05 of the CBTTape whi ch is a REXX program (with assembler helper programs) to load

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Hughes, Jim
Would you display the values for B4 and QUEUED() before starting the loop? THis is odd. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Wakser, David Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 2:48 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VM Read problem Jim: Nope,

Re: Shutting Down DISKACNT

2008-08-07 Thread Wandschneider, Scott
I received a suggestion to remove the second CP in 'CP SEND CP DISKACNT EXT' and seems to have resolved the issue. Thanks! Thank you, Scott R Wandschneider Senior Systems Programmer Office 402.963.8905 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Hughes, Jim
Kris, Nice. I'll remember this one. Jim From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Kris Buelens Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 4:25 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VM Read problem And, if you insist on using the stack (no problem for me), change to

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Wakser, David
Jim: It was the BUFFER - too small for the results. I added a BUFFER parameter to the EXECIO and that solved the problem. David Wakser -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes, Jim Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008

Re: Shutting Down DISKACNT

2008-08-07 Thread Bruce Hayden
That is incorrect - the CP means that you are sending a CP command, and DISKACNT is the userid. So - the command is exactly correct - send the CP command EXT to DISKACNT. Coding it as 'CP SEND DISKACNT EXT assumes that the virtual machine is in a state to read commands from the console, and that

Re: Shutting Down DISKACNT

2008-08-07 Thread Wakser, David
This is not a LINUX machine - it is DISKANCT - as supplied by IBM (basically). -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Hayden Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:46 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Shutting Down DISKACNT

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Wheeler
On Thu 8/7/2008 4:25 PM Kris Buelens said: And, if you insist on using the stack (no problem for me), change to code to loop the number of lines stacked by EXECIO and not the number of files you seem to know. Between getting the number of files and the EXECIO Q RDR, RDR files might be

Re: Next Baybunch at IBM San Francisco-Friday Aug 6

2008-08-07 Thread Tim McCluskey
Woops, Thanks Mark! Tim On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/7/2008 at 8:44 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Karen, I'm RSVP'ing for this Baybunch, Regards, Tim McCluskey On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Pamela

Re: DTCVSWn Storage

2008-08-07 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 08/07/2008 at 03:47 EDT, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to tell, in real-time, whether the DTCVSW machines are storage constrained? I would suppose your performance monitor will tell you if CP is storage constrained and guests are awaiting page frames.

Re: OSA Adapter TCP/IP stack association limit?

2008-08-07 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 08/07/2008 at 11:00 EDT, Robert J Brenneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The vswitch counts as 1 stack on the OSA, no matter how many systems are behind it. So yes - it gets you around the 640 stacks per OSA issue. That limitation came from the number of subchannels you could

Re: VM Read problem

2008-08-07 Thread Mike Rydberg
David, There is a bit of a lag for me between sending a reply and when it's posted. Increasing the EXECIO diag 8 buffer size from the default 8k to a higher value would do the trick. I see Kris has a great suggestion for calc'ing the buffer required. Glad you found a fix. Mike -Original

Re: Immediate instructions (was nonames)

2008-08-07 Thread Alan Ackerman
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:15:52 -0700, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : You were 11 years old and had the Chicken Pox? Regards, Richard Schuh You must be clairvoyant! Alan Ackerman Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com

AW: Linux sles9 felt in coma

2008-08-07 Thread Rempel, Horst
Hello Mike, I was not able to logon to the 3270 screen, so CP VMDUMP was not possible. The TRACK utility is wonderful. I use it since years. But even TRACK displayed nothing abnormal for my LX004. (as far as I understand all the displayed information ;-) kind regards Horst Rempel

Re: R.I.P -- BookMaster.....

2008-08-07 Thread Alan Ackerman
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 01:17:00 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, 08/06/2008 at 08:13 EDT, Roger Bolan/US/InfoPrint/[EMAIL PROTECTED] S wrote: I'm afraid there's more. See http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=cainfot ype=anappname