Standalone DDR hardware assigns question

2010-04-05 Thread Brian Nielsen
My searches haven't found anything that answers this question, and perhap s only Alan will know the answer, so here goes: Does Standalone DDR (directly in an LPAR, not under z/VM) do a hardware assign release for the 3590 tape drive addresses it uses? I'm thinking ahead to an upcoming DR

Re: Standalone DDR hardware assigns question

2010-04-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 04/05/2010 at 01:19 EDT, Brian Nielsen bniel...@sco.idaho.gov wrote: Does Standalone DDR (directly in an LPAR, not under z/VM) do a hardware assign release for the 3590 tape drive addresses it uses? Yes. When running standalone, drives are assigned on first use and unassigned at

Re: acm/vmware

2010-04-05 Thread Len Diegel
Gabe, you know how much I hate getting pulled into these discussions. :-) First, I totally agree that both the zJournal and IBM's S.M. provide a lot of information and support for the mainframe. I also appreciate how difficult it is to get customers to discuss their efforts due to

Re: Standalone DDR hardware assigns question

2010-04-05 Thread Brian Nielsen
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:01:32 -0400, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Monday, 04/05/2010 at 01:19 EDT, Brian Nielsen bniel...@sco.idaho.go V wrote: Does Standalone DDR (directly in an LPAR, not under z/VM) do a hardwar e assign release for the 3590 tape drive addresses it uses?

Re: acm/vmware

2010-04-05 Thread Schuh, Richard
No argument here. One reason it is so tough is that some shops would require that every word pass through a legal department filter. His makes the real burden one of distinguishing between dragons and windmills. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM

HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Hi I have a bit of a delima. We do a lot of talking from our z/OS system over to our z/VM z/Linux systems via HiperSockets. We have a request for about 20 more z/Linux guests all of which will have two HiperSockets CHPIDs (3 UCBS per guest off of the different CHPIDS). The issue is that I

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread David Boyes
Create a Linux guest as a L2 bridge between a VSWITCH and the hipersocket. Only one HS UCB used, and you still get separation. You can use VLANs to separate traffic.

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
David, Are there any performance implications with doing it this way as opposed to HiperSocket directly to each guest? Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Citic z/OS and z/VM Performance Tuning and Operating Systems Support Office - 443 348-2102 Cell - 443 632-4191 From:

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread McKown, John
Why not put the z/Linux systems on a VSWITCH with the z/OS system? No more UCB problems. One set of UCBs to the VSWITCH in each guest. Oh, z/OS is not under z/VM. Well, VSWITCH the z/Linux systems along with the z/VM TCPIP stack, then hipersocket the z/VM TCPIP stack with z/OS. I'm not too

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread David Boyes
Are there any performance implications with doing it this way as opposed to HiperSocket directly to each guest? Yes - I'll leave it to others to quantify it exactly, but it will use a non-zero amount of 390 CPU to do the packet forwarding between interfaces. Since there is no external

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 04/05/2010 at 03:55 EDT, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) terry.mar...@cms.hhs.gov wrote: I have a bit of a delima. We do a lot of talking from our z/OS system over to our z/VM z/Linux systems via HiperSockets. We have a request for about 20 more z/Linux guests all of which will

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:25 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HiperSocket UCBs snip You have - 16 HiperSocket chpids available - 64 control units

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 04/05/2010 at 04:24 EDT, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote: You?re probably on a z10, so here?s another idea ? try defining a L2 VSWITCH using a hipersocket device ? I faintly remember reading somewhere that hipersockets got L2 capabilities at some point. I don?t know if

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Scott Rohling
Not sure about using it with z/OS -- but wonder if a 'disconnected' OSA could be shared across the LPARs? We went this route to provide a 'backup network' across several z/VM LPARs.. the advantage over hipersockets being: - Less management of UCB's (just connect to the vswitch) - Overhead

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:29 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HiperSocket UCBs snip The VSWITCH does not support attachment of HiperSockets. Alan

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread David Boyes
The VSWITCH does not support attachment of HiperSockets. You should fix that. Where's my requirement pad? 8-) -- d b

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Terry. You might want to take a look at the SHARE presentation Sharing the Wealth Using Vlans on Vswitch. It discusses how to set up VSWITCH and hipersockets configuration similar to what you are describing. If you can't snag a copy, I can send it to you. Have a good one. On

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 04/05/2010 at 04:35 EDT, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: So you'd need a router machine to talk between the hipersocket to z/OS and the VSWITCH, right? Yes, which undoes all the performance benefit of HiperSockets by funneling all the traffic through a single

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Dave, If have a copy that would great! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Citic z/OS and z/VM Performance Tuning and Operating Systems Support Office - 443 348-2102 Cell - 443 632-4191 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Yes this is correct Probably running into a limitation on the number of UCBs in a single z/OS LPAR. Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Citic z/OS and z/VM Performance Tuning and Operating Systems Support Office - 443 348-2102 Cell - 443 632-4191 -Original Message- From: The IBM

Re: acm/vmware

2010-04-05 Thread Howard Rifkind
Well we have to all remember that z/VM, z/OS and the like are all niche markets.   I love to go the MVMUG (NYC area) and hear IBM people tell us about the wonderful things that z/VM is doing and what it will do in the future, but we all have to keep in mind that relatively speaking

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
It is not a z/OS problem it is that I am running out of UCBs on the HiperSockets CHPID on an individual LPAR. Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Citic z/OS and z/VM Performance Tuning and Operating Systems Support Office - 443 348-2102 Cell - 443 632-4191 -Original Message-

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:48 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HiperSocket UCBs On Monday, 04/05/2010 at 04:35 EDT, McKown, John

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Monday, 04/05/2010 at 04:35 EDT, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: So you'd need a router machine to talk between the hipersocket to z/OS and the VSWITCH, right? Yes, which undoes all the

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Mark Post
On 4/5/2010 at 04:51 PM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) terry.mar...@cms.hhs.gov wrote: Yes this is correct Probably running into a limitation on the number of UCBs in a single z/OS LPAR. If you're thinking you need to define a new HiperSocket triplet to z/OS for each Linux guest added to

Re: CP's Parm Disks

2010-04-05 Thread Howard Rifkind
Sorry to be late on this but Mikethis one is a keeper.  Thanks for the bits... --- On Fri, 3/5/10, Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com wrote: From: Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com Subject: Re: CP's Parm Disks To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 10:45 AM There any

Brett Walker/WLG/BNZ/NAG_AP is out of the office.

2010-04-05 Thread Brett Walker
I will be out of the office starting 06/04/2010 and will return on 12/04/2010. CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
No, that is not what I was thinking. I have been using HiperSockets extensively and I am familiar with how they work. Each guest that needs to talk to z/OS needs a Triplet UCB definition on a HiperSocket CHPID defined to it. The more guest I have that require this the more UCBs I need to use,

Re: HiperSocket UCBs

2010-04-05 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 04/05/2010 at 10:42 EDT, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) terry.mar...@cms.hhs.gov wrote: Each guest that needs to talk to z/OS needs a Triplet UCB definition on a HiperSocket CHPID defined to it. The more guest I have that require this the more UCBs I need to use, eventually I hit