On 07/14/11 23:16, Boyes wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/14/brief_history_of_virtualisation_par=
t_2/
Somebody who actually gets it that there was a world before the PC. Few minor
nits, but overall an actually decent article on the role VM played in
prefiguring
virtualization before
Earlier this week I converted an old OCT86 SEAS (european share) presentation on "VM History
Performance" from "foildoc" to powerpoint ... with a couple additions ... and
presented it at 16Mar HILLGANG meeting. Exported PDF copy here:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/hill0316g.pdf
a little discussio
Kris Buelens wrote:
There is handshaking between Linux and VM, and even more than one flavor
The fact that z/VM still likes to have some expanded storage is that the
management of central and expanded are different:
For expanded, CP has a time stamp and know exactly how old each page is.
For
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:14 AM, O'Brien, Dennis L
wrote:
I heard from a couple of performance people at SHARE that we should have
20% to 25% of the total storage in an LPAR configured as expanded
storage. Naturally, that's a guideline and the proper amount varies by
workload. What should I lo
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009r.html#18 "Portable" data centers
the modifications for vm370 release 6 to be service processor started
well before 3090 came out. it was a copy of standard vm370 release 6
(predates vm/sp) and then "frozen" (with respect to the standard
product) and then vario
Another application by the VMSG author was parasite/story. It used the PVM logical device/3270
facility and had a HLLAPI type scripting language (before the advent of ibm/pc) ... it was
"after" REX was available internally. Another remarkable thing was that the executable
was small enough to fi
On 11/29/2009 01:00 AM, wrote:
TAG data is just some arbitrary meta-data associated with a spool file.
Although a spool file "TAG" data may indicate a final destination node
when spooled to an RSCS virtual machine, this meta-data may have any
semantics depending on the interpretation of the reci
A history related post copied from a.f.c. ng:
Timeline: The evolution of online communities
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9135308/Timeline_The_evolution_of_online_communities
from above:
E-mail discussion lists, chat rooms, BBSs, Usenet groups and more all
played a role in the developm
Jeff wrote:
I'm definitely no substitute for Sir Lynn, but I remember DCSS and DMKSNT in
VM/370 Release 3 PLC 8, which is where I started with VM.
In fact, I used CMSAMS and CMSVSAM then for Unnatural Practices, or at least
not for the purposes for which they were created. I was porting the CP/6
Jeff wrote:
I'm definitely no substitute for Sir Lynn, but I remember DCSS and DMKSNT in
VM/370 Release 3 PLC 8, which is where I started with VM.
In fact, I used CMSAMS and CMSVSAM then for Unnatural Practices, or at least
not for the purposes for which they were created. I was porting the CP/6
On 07/14/2009 01:00 AM, IBMVM automatic digest system wrote:
Version 3 was the first CMS that could not be IPLled on the iron, I
think. Someone should ask Lynn Wheeler.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#67 DCSS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#68 DCSS addenda
CMS started out wi
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#67 DCSS
Some of the other stuff in CSC/VM was released in my resource manager
(which appeared with vm370 release 3 plc9)
the 23jun69 unbundling announcement started charging for (application)
software and se services (but they managed to make the case t
Chip Davis wrote:
... when shared segments were implemented in VM.
It seems to me that it predated the VM/370 SEPP/BSEPP days when I started, but
there's been many a synapse lost since then.
Google, Wikipedia, ibm.com, and even Melinda's wonderful work have not been
revealing, so I thought per
20 Years Ago Today: Birth of the Dot-Com Era
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/166302/20_years_ago_today_birth_of_the_dotcom_era.html
from above:
"In those days, the Internet consisted of regional networks, who were mostly
non-profit cooperatives, and the government funded 'NSFNet'
Walter wrote:
When examined after each failure, the core (yes, real core) memory was
always wiped clean. That computer (and its tech) was housed in a metal
box (IIRC, about 6'x10', 8' high) which was transportable on the back of a
2 1/2 ton ("6-by") truck, or by helicopter> It was located about
rschuh wrote:
The smaller systems, the 360-20 and 360-30 had a 1401 emulator mode. It was=
a h/w or mc based feature. I don't know whether larger machines had it. Th=
ere was also a 1410 emulator mode on the -40. I do not know of any 1401 sup=
port that ran under DOS, but my DOS experience is m
On 03/04/2009 01:02 AM, IBMVM automatic digest system wrote:
Long ago, in a galaxy close to where I am this week, there was a PGP
MODULE. It was built by a kind person at MIT (which is NOT close to
where I am this week) and worked exactly as one would expect it to work.
Maybe some day we will
following are a couple of emails from '78 regarding getting a copy of
adventure for vm370/cms
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email780405
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#email780405b
in this post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#18 The History of Computer
Role-Playing Games
you might find this news article interesting
Whitehouse Emails Were Lost Due to "Upgrade"
http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/04/30/1359209.shtml
and
The case of the missing e-mail
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/bush-lost-e-mails.ars
and for some more whitehouse email from 25yrs or so ag
Jim Bohnsack wrote:
I remember the SNATAM name now. There was an Englishman, Graham Pursey,
who used to attend the VNET Project Team meetings that were held once
or twice a year. It seems to me that he was involved in some kind of VM
based VTAM project. Was that it or was there something
CP67 was announced 40yrs ago at spring 68 share in houston.
I was invited to attend. I was undergraduate at univ where the last
week of jan68, three people from the science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
had come out to install cp67.
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40 yrs of cp67 and cms ... not quite for the announce, since that
happened at the spring '68 share meeting in houston. however, three
people had come out from the ca
some recent posts in other venues on the new, 40+ yr old technology
https://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000988.htm
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm27.htm#66 2007: year in review
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm28.htm#0 2007: year in review
i've only started won on the technology sligh
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re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#40 ongoing rush to the new, 40+ yr old
virtual machine technology
IBM Ships 10,000th Storage Virtualization Engine
http://www.marketwire.com/
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re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#33 Age of IBM VM
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#36 Oracle Introduces Oracle VM As It
Leaps Into Virtualization
one could claim that t
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Could you translate into layman's terms? What exactly is "server
> virtualization software"?
>
> The concept of "virtual storage", as I understand it, is maki
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Marty Zimelis wrote:
> Bob,
>Right name, but I believe the wrong derivation. The "67" in CP-67 comes
> form the fact that it ran on the S/360 model 67, the only production model
> o
for something a little different ... also posted here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#26
latest in the new, 40+ yr old technology
Oracle Introduces Oracle VM As It Leaps Into Virtualization
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202805289
couple items from abov
marty zimelis wrote:
Phil,
Unless there was something else out there (a poster or whatever), that
would have been me doing a riff in my VM Performance classes, first for
Amdahl, then for Velocity. Your buddy's time frame is about right (15 years
ago). I was attempting to emphasize the impact
especially since TSM was originally renamed/rebanded ADSM and the
runup to ADSM was workstation datasave (built on cms) and the precusor
to workstation datasave was CMSBACK.
i had originally done CMSBACK at SJR ... for SJR and the HONE systems
(which i was also provided a lot of support for)
Gabe Goldberg wrote:
There's
SET SHARE RELATIVE
and
VM's 35 Birthday Celebration and 2007 Knights of VM
and
SHARE: Final chairbears needed (ribbon wearer time!!)
in which phsiii said
So bring your family...I am!
I guess he's "SET SHARE RELATIVE". So should anyone using family vacation
Alan Altmark wrote:
Well, it's been nigh on 40 years that CMS has been around. Seems like a
committment to me. CMS is here to stay. If all the people with z/OS
get z/VM and [re]discover CMS, who knows what might happen? "Never say
die!"
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#41 z/VM usa
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Dave Wade wrote:
> I know there is no commercial value in it, so it won't
> happen, but wouldn't it be nice if IBM realeased a
> software emulation that worked like t
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George Haddad wrote:
> The last major hole I can recall was in the late 80s or early 90s IIRC,
> where it was discovered that when sending an SMSG to an SVM (I thin
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re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007i.html#20 Does anyone know of a documented case
of VM being penetrated by hackers?
for a little topic drift ... a little about
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rschuh wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a documented case of VM being penetrated by hackers?
>
long ago, I briefly succombed once.
The future system project was in fu
e:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#20 Historical curiosity question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#33 Historical curiosity question
"full-pack" minidisk footnote.
moving to fba-like devices ... you tend to have the device returning the number
of
records on the device ... it eli
Rob van der Heij wrote
The mini disk is an imperfect (but cheap) implementation of a low
level abstraction. The main "defect" is the number of cylinders, but
for many purposes the virtualization is good enough because the guest
can live with that.
But at considerable additional cost, VM could ha
"McKown, John" wrote:
This is not important, but I just have to ask this. Does anybody know
why the original designers of VM did not do something for "minidisks"
akin to a OS/360 VTOC? Actually, it would be more akin to a "partition
table" on a PC disk. It just seems that it would be easier to ma
One of the reasons the vm development group picked up so much from the
science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech
to ship in the (vm370 product) release 3/4 time-frame was a lot of
the resources had been diverted to FS ... similar to the reference in
this post
http://www.gar
oft repeated story about mainframe emulation and I/O with regard to 370/158 and
integrated channels; most recent telling
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#62 Cycles per ASM instruction
basically the 158 microcode engine had both microcode for emulating 370 and also for emulating channels. i
Brian Inglis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
IME the IBM VM guys had very good ideas for interaction using the
corporate products and facilities, even though it has never been
funded adequately and often nearly terminated.
They were much better than the batch guys at letting the users fully
use all
Another CMSBACK status, a year later than the email referenced here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#24 CMSBACK
i.e. i had done the original CMSBACK implementation and deployment in
the late 70s on sjr systems and hone ... the following refers to
there additional systems where it was instal
In the following, CJNTEL was an online corporate directory that I had
initially put up on SJRLVM1 that could be queried by anybody on the
internal network.
The following has a suggestion for registering a person's public key
with CJNTEL and making (effecitvely publishing) it available for
retriev
ref:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#10 long ago and far away, vm370 from
early/mid 70s
while only a small subset of the virtual memory management stuff was released as
DCSS vm370 ... and none of the cms paged mapped filesystem stuff ... a little
more of the virtual memory management stuf
Concurrent with the benchmarking, shared segment, page mapped
filesystem, resource manager, and other misc. stuff referred
to in these posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#36 Why these original FORTRAN quirks?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#7 Why these original FORTRAN quirks?
http
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> search engine even turns up one of my old pasts mentioning VOL1 and
> HDR1:
> http://w
originally cp67 had everything in the kernel, booted and fixed in real
memory, there were a pre-allocated fix number of save areas for kernel
linkage (making it slightly easier to identify everything going on from
a dump ... so all saveareas were in contiguous area of storage), and
total kernel dyn
Tom Duerbush wrote:
>So I guess the question I'm wondering...
>
>How many others have shipped dumps, online, back before high speed
>Internet connections?
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#16 memory, 360 lcs, 3090 extended
store, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#17 bandwidth of
Paul B. Nieman wrote:
> In the early 1990's we consolidated a data center from Sydney into
> Philadelphia. We used SYBACK to do a full dump of specific (most)
> minidisks to tape and shipped the tapes. We then performed daily
> incrementals to disk, and sent the incrementals via RSCS, via a 9600
"Schuh, Richard" wrote:
> Yeah, but 3090 memory was not ferrite core, was it? IIRC, it was much
> cheaper and more reliable. I wasn't privy to the bean-counting
> specifics, but the rumored cost of the LCS storage on our 360 class
> machines was in the neighborhood or $2.5-3M per 2MB unit. And they
Rob van der Heij wrote:
> That's compatibility. I'd imagine the "old way" with saveseg would
> still create the spool file. If the named DCSS is not on the disks
> that CP has accessed, CP would find the one on spool. But if you would
> DCSSBKUP the file and store the file on the CP disk, it would
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#49 The Fate of VM - was: Re: Baby
MVS???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#51 The Fate of VM - was: Re: Baby
MVS???
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#52 The Fate of VM - was: Re: Baby
MVS???
email from long ago and far away
X-To: wheeler
Subje
Hardware virtualization slower than software?
http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/06/08/12/2028223.shtml
... from above:
One example given is compilation of a Linux kernel under a virtualized
Linux OS. Native wall-clock time: 265 seconds. Software-assisted
virtualization: 393 seconds. Hardw
ref:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#14 SEQUENCE NUMBERS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#19 Source maintenance was Re:
SEQUENCE NUMBERS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#21 Source maintenance was Re:
SEQUENCE NUMBERS
for some additional drift, old history about requiring source
bob shair wrote:
> That 360/40, serial number 2040-x0002, made two outstanding
> contributions to IBM. After serving as the first 360 testbed for CP
> (CP/40), it went on to be the primary development machine for CICS!
>
>
> Bob Shair
> Open Systems Consulting
> Champaign, Illinois
ref:
htt
Phil Smith III wrote:
> Gabe reminds me that the 360 didn't run VM; I did use it, but it was
> the 370/158 with 2MB that I used to use VM on.
360/67 was the only (standard) 360 with virtual memory support. it had
both 24-bit and 32-bit virtual addressing options (you didn't see more
than 24-bit ag
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:
I'm not sure when it came along, but by VM/SE there was a somewhat
more sophisticated UPDATE facility[1] with aux files, control files
and update files. I'd love to see a similar facility integrated with
ISPF.
[1] Not only could the XEDIT editor process them, but
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clark Morris) writes:
> How do the various source maintenance packages for other platforms
> such as Unix handle the problem. I'm thinking of CVS and the various
> Itegrated Development Environments. There are differential upgrades
> and other techniques. I am not familiar wi
R.S. wrote:
Even some mainframe programs interpret it as data, with funny effects
somtimes. For example SYSIN DD * for FTP program cannot contain the
numbers. AFAIK some TCPIP config files as well.
AFAIK the sequence numbers are completely useless nowadays. It was used
for punched card sorter. I
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#52 the more things change, the more
things stay the same
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#53 the more things change, the more
things stay the same
the following article:
How Secure Is That Device? As device software joins the larger world,
securit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Savard) writes:
> Not surprising: the NSA's "Security-Enhanced Linux" includes, as its
> unique security feature, something called mandatory security. A file can
> be flagged as having restrictions on it, and then any program which
> accesses this file, and writes on other f
x-post from
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm24.htm#45 Case Study: Thunderbird's brittle
security as proof of Iang's 3rd Hypothesis in secure design: there is only one
mode, and it's secure
IBM Virtualization Achieves One of Industry's Highest Security Levels,
Says Government Evaluator
http://www.
John Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Lynn:
>
> Can you point us to any information on 138/148 microprogramming and
> microarchitecture? Examples of the 10:1 microcode to 370 instruction
> expansion would be fascinating.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#44 Any resources on VLIW?
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#44 Any resources on VLIW?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#47 Any resources on VLIW?
as an aside ... some number of the relatively recent 370 emulators
written for intel platforms have quoted avg. instruction ratio numbers
around 10:1 also (have to
Brian Inglis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Might be relevant if Lynn Wheeler could expand on the unreleased VAMPS
> microcode to speed up 370 SMP, and also provided logical processors
> with similarities to those on current zSeries LPARs, although that may
> just have dropped parts of 370 sequentia
Jim wrote:
> DUMPRX was one of the slickest tools available for VM sysprogs in the
> '80s. With the overall level of code quality at that time, it was really
> needed. I have always thought that the only reason it wasn't included in
> the product was the NIH mentality that was common in IBM at th
Jim wrote:
DUMPRX was one of the slickest tools available for VM sysprogs in the
'80s. With the overall level of code quality at that time, it was really
needed. I have always thought that the only reason it wasn't included in
the product was the NIH mentality that was common in IBM at that t
Charles Mills wrote:
Here's a good start:
http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0509&L=ibmvm&P=8109
note in the above referenced archive ... it mentions transmission as
reverse inverted
> • ALC is transmitted "reverse inverted". For example, capital A is
> 0x31, but it's transmitted
"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well I had exposure, access, to an IBM MVT product called TESTTRAN
> which was sort of available on our system with assembler F and , if
> I remember correctly, Fortran G, both in batch and TSO. One had to
> compile/assemble with the TEST opti
Jim Bohnsack wrote:
> I had an XT/370 PC sometime in the mid-late 80's. It used PAM as it's
> native or default CMS file system if I remember correctly.
> Jim
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#53 DCSS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#54 DCSS
part of the issue was that even tho xt
misc. more about vm370 release 3 ... from Melinda's history
http://www.princeton.edu/~melinda
from her history:
Also in February, 1976, Release 3 of VM/370 became available, including
VMCF and support for 3350s and the new ECPS microcode. Edgar (the
``Display Editing System''), a program prod
I had done a lot of work on location independent code images ... lots of
past postings discussing the difficulty collected here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#adcon
The standard vm370 system only handled memory mapped objects via named
systems ... defined by the NAMESYS macro assembled
jim bohnsack wrote:
> Colin--I was thinking about Amadeus last week anyway. I am still shaking
> my head in disbelief that last week, 4 years ago, I was sitting there with
> job offers from Amadeus, MIT, and Cornell. I have always said that in 20
> years I hope that I'm not sitting in a rockin
NAME IEAVNPX1 IEAVNPX1
VER 0DA2 96026003OI SGTCB=1
REP 0DA2 4700 NOP
VER 0DCE 96026003OI SGTCB=1
REP 0DCE 4700NOP
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ces regarding amdahl's work on
macrocode the previous year (mar80).
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> TROUT has never treated SIE as "just another assist." SIE has been a
> basic part of our machine's design since the beginning. In fact, we
> have chosen to put many functions into hardware instead of microcode
&g
lynn/2006f.html#5 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#33 virtual memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#5 virtual memory
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in tags and descriptors
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005f.html#16 Where should the type information be:
in tags and descriptors
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ve the
line
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#19 Code density and performance?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#21 Code density and performance?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#15 {SPAM?} Re: Expanded Storage
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=EZ2HW125&DT=19970613131822
10.28 Program Transfer
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formance and Capacity Planning
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circuits
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tml#25 The Pankian Metaphor
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#24 Virtual memory implementation in
S/370
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ries
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005h.html#18 Exceptions at basic block boundaries
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006i.html#10 Hadware Support for Protection Bits:
what does it really mean?
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lynn/2006.html#35 Charging Time
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#4 IBM 610 workstation computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#7 Mount a tape
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