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Hello Kris,
DIRMAP part of the CMS Utilities Feature 1.1, along with FLIST, WAKEUP, VMSIZE,
USERID, SFPURGER, and the others.
CUF is nowadays included with the z/VM base, some of it lives now on MAINT 190,
others (like DIRMAP) on MAINT 193
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DIRMAP (yes, not DISKMAP) will not flag fullpack minidisks as overlap
(DISKMAP does). And, if you
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Hello Kris,
DIRMAP part of the CMS Utilities Feature 1.1, along with FLIST, WAKEUP,
VMSIZE, USERID, SFPURGER, and the others.
CUF is nowadays included with the z/VM base, some of it lives now on MAINT
190, others (like DIRMAP) on MAINT 193.
--
Kris Buelens,
IBM Belgium, VM customer
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Let me go one step further and suggest that those files actually be ON
DISK.
The problem to put these files ON DISK is that we need these BEFORE the
disks
are created.
Of course. For the many many disks for various products
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There are times when using DIRMAINT commands isn't practical.. for example
- doing DASD volume relabelling. I suppose you could do a bunch of GET/REP
commands
and who
performed the changes.
Ray Waters
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There are times when using DIRMAINT commands isn't
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I AGREE with Scott. Sometimes it is just simpler and faster to use XEDIT
to make multiple
? :-)
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I AGREE with Scott. Sometimes it is just simpler and faster to use XEDIT to
make multiple changes to the VM Directory. My exec performs a syntax check
of the directory: *DIRECTXA DIRNAME DIRECT A (EDIT
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Because the DISKMAP utility is unaware of the size of the 'real
I tell over and over again: forget about DISKMAP, use DISKMAP instead.
DIRMAP used to be billable (part of IPF, later CUF), so the poor-man's
solution, DISKMAP EXEC, was created.
I've got a document describing differences in more details , and I give some
hints about how to manage the CP Directory
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Because the DISKMAP utility is unaware of the size of the 'real' disk - so
END is meaningless to it.
I always encourage folks to not use END except under specific
circumstances. If there is a reason other than laziness to specify END
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I tell over and over again: forget about DISKMAP, use DISKMAP instead.
DIRMAP used to be billable (part of IPF, later CUF), so the poor-man's
solution, DISKMAP EXEC, was created.
I've got a document
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Seems nice, but, why not
USER -540RES- 64M 1G
MDISK A00 3390 0 1 540RES RR
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DIRMAP (yes, not DISKMAP) will not flag fullpack minidisks as overlap
(DISKMAP does). And, if you have non-standard disk sizes, DIRMAP can read
a control file listing other fullpack sizes.
I must admit that I didn't verify the 10016 number
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Question to Alan (Altmark): can the developers imbed this model on
Program
Directories? As a new topic: For Dirmaint users:?
I think that is an excellent idea. The best way to suggest it is to get
David Boyes to open a
Part of my DRM package are
- DRMAC: sets you in XEDIT on DIRMAINT's USER BACKUP file, meant to look at
the directory only.
- DIRME userid, to XEDIT one directory entry (easier than DIRM FOR xx
GET#RDRLIST#PEEK)
can also be used in as a PIPE stage;
has also a LOCK option, so you can change an
Hello List,
We need implement the DIRMAINT product here, but we have some doubts.
Have a STEP there, when need migrate our VMUSERS DIRECT A to DIRMAINT minidisk.
After do this, We never more can edit our VMUSERS DIRECT, as we do today?
We are very concerned about this
That is correct, Sergio. When Dirmaint is fully implemented, the systems programmer
no longer maintains the USER DIRECT file. Dirmaint maintains the directory. The
systems programmer performs directory maintenance using Dirmaint commands.
This is proven software that works very well. If
Hi, Sergio.
On 10/1/2010 8:54 AM, Sergio Lima wrote:
Hello List,
We need implement the DIRMAINT product here, but we have some
doubts.
Have a STEP there, when need migrate our VMUSERS DIRECT A to DIRMAINT
minidisk.
After do this, We never more can edit our VMUSERS DIRECT, as we do
Hello Rich,
I'm glad to hear you again.
Thanks very much from your help,
Have a nice day, and best regards,
Sergio
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 09:11:25 -0500
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That is correct, Sergio
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Hello List,
We need implement the DIRMAINT product here, but we have some doubts.
Have a STEP there, when need migrate our
We never more can edit our VMUSERS DIRECT
That is correct, Sergio.
But never is a strong word. I believe you can reprime the DirMaint
pump by copying a USER DIRECT file to USER INPUT on the (I believe it is)
DIRMAINT 1DF disk. Then when DirMaint is started again, it loads that new
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We use all the “DIRMAINT ” or “DIRM” commands and also are able to use
XEDIT to make our major directory changes. I wrote an EXEC to “DIRMAINT
OFFLINE”, “DIRMAINT BACKUP”, DIRMAINT SHUTDOWN”, then “COPY USER BACKUP B
DIRNAME DIRECT A (OLDD “ , followed
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XEDIT
Hi, Mike.
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[snip]
P.S. I see Dave Jones posted another method as I was putting this
reply together. That makes it look even easier. Just one question -
using that model, if DirMaint is restarted, will it have the correct
USER DIRECT
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There are many pros -- including attempting to keep you from shooting
yourself in the foot - allowing administrative control over who can do what
with the directory - allowing users to make their own
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There are many pros -- including attempting to keep you from shooting
Also, would someone please give the pro's and con's of using DIRMAINT as
opposed to just XEDIT directly.
As long as your check DISKMAP for OVER and specify the EDIT option for
DIRECTXA, does DIRMAINT really buy you that much more, other than updating
entries individually?
Unquestionably,
The benefits are far greater than the loss of directly editing your
directory. Have you ever edited your directory and put it online, only to
find out later that you¹d managed to overlay a minidisk or important piece
of CP¹s disk? It shouldn¹t happen again if you correctly implement Dirmaint.
And
Robert,
DIRMAINT does come with a wakeup table of commands that includes a
BACKUP command to backup your online directory into a source file. It
runs daily and you always have a current backup on DIRMAINT 1DB. Look
at DIRMAINT DATADVH
Sergio,
I've been using DIRMAINT since coming back to VM in
Hello Dave,
Help a lot, for us, was very good understand this.
Thanks again, and Best Regards,
Sergio
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 09:21:19 -0500
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Hi, Sergio.
On 10/1/2010 8:54 AM, Sergio
Hello Ray,
Thanks from your help .
We imagine that soon will need same like this.
Best Regards,
Sergio
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 10:24:47 -0400
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We use all the “DIRMAINT ” or “DIRM
Hello Mike,
Thanks from your help,
Regards,
Sergio
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 10:33:34 -0400
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We never more can edit our VMUSERS DIRECT
That is correct, Sergio.
But never is a strong word. I
David,
There’s nothing that you can’t change in a directory entry via DIRM
commands these days,
Sometimes it just won't delete a user ID when there are outstanding
(stuck?) workunits (I wish DIRM PURGE had a --FORCE option :))
Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061
In that case, you need to open a PMR and insist that IBM fix that. That’s a bug.
There’s nothing that you can’t change in a directory entry via DIRM commands
these days,
Sometimes it just won't delete a user ID when there are outstanding (stuck?)
workunits (I wish DIRM PURGE had a --FORCE
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 09:21:19 -0500
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Hi, Sergio.
On 10/1/2010 8:54 AM, Sergio Lima wrote:
Hello List,
We need implement the DIRMAINT product here, but we have some
doubts.
Have a STEP there, when
-0500
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George, the DIRMSAPI EXEC is supplied by IBM with the DIRMAINT
producthere's the text about it from the manual:
The DIRMSAPI EXEC is an example of a REXX program that sets up the
proper
Not necessarily.. some of those 'stuck workunits' are probably disk
cleaning. The disks aren't deleted until there are no users linked to
them..other things like that as well..
Scott Rohling
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In that case, you
Your welcome. Let me know if you need any further help.
Ray
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Hello Ray,
Thanks from your help .
We
password
changes, that is a question that We will study here, and also ask your opinion .
Thanks again, and Best Regards,
Sergio
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 11:53:13 -0600
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Robert,
DIRMAINT does come
Thank you,
With these words I'll always be here.
You guys are the best,
Best Regards,
Sergio
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:04:40 -0500
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You are welcome, Sergio. As you can see, everyone here
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In that case, you need to open a PMR and insist that IBM fix that.
That?s a
bug.
Amen, brother!
Alan Altmark
z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 10:22:47 -0500
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George, the DIRMSAPI EXEC is supplied by IBM with the DIRMAINT
producthere's the text about it from the manual:
The DIRMSAPI EXEC is an example of a REXX program
On Friday, 10/01/2010 at 10:24 EDT, Ray Waters
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We use all the ?DIRMAINT ? or ?DIRM? commands and also are able to use
XEDIT
to make our major directory changes. I wrote an EXEC to ?DIRMAINT
OFFLINE?,
?DIRMAINT BACKUP?, DIRMAINT SHUTDOWN?, then ?COPY
There are times when using DIRMAINT commands isn't practical.. for example
- doing DASD volume relabelling. I suppose you could do a bunch of GET/REP
commands -- or maybe DMDISK NOCLEAN and AMDISK using the same extents and
the new volid? But I have found the best thing to do is update the
DIRM NODIRECT is your friend there, but I would contend that a mass relabel is
not an everyday function, and would probably merit a mass reload.
On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Scott Rohling
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There are times when using DIRMAINT
On Friday, 10/01/2010 at 05:08 EDT, Scott Rohling
scott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote:
There are times when using DIRMAINT commands isn't practical.. for
example -
doing DASD volume relabelling. I suppose you could do a bunch of
GET/REP
commands -- or maybe DMDISK NOCLEAN and AMDISK using
Or hey - maybe DIRM DASD CHANGE VOLUME oldid newid (followed I suppose by
DIRM DASD CHANGE REGION oldid newid?)
I just discovered DIRM DASD recently.. which helps you manage the EXTENT
CONTROL file -- and only recently mostly because (at least on my system)
the DIRMAINT HELP menu doesn't
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