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COS--that's the name I was trying to think of. I think that there was
the ability to run COS under DOS also
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COS--that's the name I was trying to think of. I think that there was
the ability to run COS under DOS also. I think I remember using some
kind
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I think you are right, altho I also think that an emulator
(if that is the name of the hardware piece) often would use
some kind of specialized code that would facilitate the
hardware feature. I
10:24 AM
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Now I beg the question, 'What is the difference between an emulator, and a
'simulator?'.
I always thought they were differentiated in that the emulator required a
hardware feature and a simulator
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 02:39:45AM -0400, Alan Altmark wrote:
I'm not sure what you expect IBM to do.
We have never used ICCF, only CMS for Applications
Development and Production Control. I'm sure you
can understand why. Management has had us stuck
in the 20th Century and now seems to be
Hello Dave Craig,
I think that you have been out of the zSeries world for a while.
VSE/VSAM for VM is gone. Yes, this is a fact.
As for the other parts, I think you need to go to WAVV next year.
WWW.WAVV.ORG http://www.wavv.org/
Not all the new presentations are out there, but I
On Tuesday, 05/26/2009 at 02:26 EDT, David L. Craig d...@radix.net
wrote:
We have never used ICCF, only CMS for Applications
Development and Production Control. I'm sure you
can understand why. Management has had us stuck
in the 20th Century and now seems to be ready to
accept the
Hi, david.
There is nothing stopping you from making an official request, through
WAVV perhaps, that IBM provide new PL/I and/or COBOL compilers for CMS.
As Alan as already noted, there is a new z/VM C/C++ compiler available
for that environment now; IBM has already done almost all of the
homas
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On 360/25 there was a CSL (Control Storage Load)deck that could be
loaded and then 1401 code ran 'native', no underlying DOS or OS system.=20
There was an emulator
not long after making
the sale.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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[mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:37 AM
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On Thursday, 05/21/2009 at 08:39 EDT, David L. Craig d...@radix.net
wrote:
With all due respect, Sir Alan, and with no intention of
shooting the messenger, this does not appear to be a solution
for CMS VSAM-dependent products that we currently use. This
policy has the potential to
http://ed-thelen.org/1401Project/1401RestorationPage.html
Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting
Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu 5/20/2009 8:46 PM
I don't remember a VM/370 1401 emulator. I supported IBM customers that
were running 1401 support under DOS/360, but now I can't remember what
it was
Subject: IBM 1401: was Re: z/VM 5.4 VSAM question - PJBR
http://ed-thelen.org/1401Project/1401RestorationPage.html
Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting
Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu 5/20/2009 8:46 PM
I don't remember a VM/370 1401 emulator. I supported IBM
customers that were running 1401
..
SIM1401 or SIM1400 something like that..
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Sent: Fri 5/22/2009 11:09 AM
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The smaller systems, the 360-20 and 360-30 had
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On 360/25 there was a CSL (Control Storage Load)deck that could be
loaded and then 1401 code ran 'native', no underlying DOS or OS system.
There was an emulator for 360/30 and 360/40 (DOS/26) we also ran 1401
programs on a 370
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:29:47PM -0400, Alan Altmark wrote:
- The CMS VSAM feature of VSE/VSAM is no longer available. If you don't
have it, you can't get it.
- Someone who already has it cannot give it to you.
- If you already have it, you can keep using it as long as you keep paying
On Wed, 20 May 2009 21:46:22 -0400 Jim Bohnsack said:
What was the name of that DOS 1401 emulator? The old core memory is
getting a little rusty, maybe a lot rusty.
Jim
We ran the 1401 emulator under DOS on a 360-40 until some time in 1986.
The terms I remember that referred to this set up
Alan,
Interesting thought, intercepting the VSAM calls and redirecting to VSE.
That, of course, assumes that the customers are concerned with using
CMS/VSAM to access VSE held files.
So, the question is: Are people using CMS/VSAM for CMS only
applications, OR, are they using it to share data
[mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
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Sent: May 21, 2009 10:13
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Alan,
Interesting thought, intercepting the VSAM calls and redirecting to VSE.
That, of course, assumes that the customers are concerned with using
CMS
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If there is no real need to create VSAM files in CMS, but merely to
access VSAM files from CMS, I once had a Rexx
It seems to me that there was a commonly used, I think 1 word, name.
It was possibly not the official IBM name, but every one of my 360/30
customers before 1970 ran it.
Jim
Larry Scollard wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 2009 21:46:22 -0400 Jim Bohnsack said:
What was the name of that DOS
connectivity solutions.
Ed Martin
Aultman Health Foundation
330-363-5050
ext 35050
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From: Carlos Martinez [mailto:carl...@solracz.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:24 PM
To: 'The IBM z/VM Operating System'
Subject: RE: z/VM 5.4 VSAM question - PJBR
If there really is a need to access a VSAM file from VM/CMS does it really
have to be VSAM?
Since
On 5/21/09 4:33 PM, Carlos Martinez carl...@solracz.com wrote:
If there really is a need to access a VSAM file from VM/CMS does it really
have to be VSAM?
If you need to do random access to the file, then yes, you need VSAM. Your
method works fine IF you only need sequential access to the
Hi, list.
We are currently considering to migrate from z/VM 4.4 to z/VM 5.4 but we
have an issue:
We still have critical applications that use VSE/VSAM 6.1 and the questions
are:
- Does VSAM still exist in z/VM 5.4 ?
- Is it perhaps included in the z/VM 5.4 code (e.g. as TCPIP) ?
- If not, is
You can reinstall the old VSAM tape if you still have ity and can read it.
Or, the way I'd work:
- use DCSSBKUP to store CMSVSAM and CMSAMS saved segments in a CMS file
- use Q NSS CMS MAP to have the stage defintions
- on 5.4 issue DEFSEG CMS to create the skeletons usin,g the
-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf
Of jose raul baron
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:29 AM
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Subject: z/VM 5.4 VSAM question - PJBR
Hi, list.
We are currently considering to migrate from z/VM 4.4 to z/VM 5.4 but we have
David and Kris,
Thank you very much for your great help. I will consider every alternative
you suggested.
Once again, thank you very very much.
BRGDS,
Raul Barón
Dpto. Sistemas
CALCULO S.A.
With all due respect to Kris, I generally prefer to use SPXTAPE to dump
and load the DCSS's. DCSSBKUP does not preserve the original date of
the DCSS, which I think is very valuable. SPXTAPE DUMP and LOAD does.
Just my preference.
Jim
Kris Buelens wrote:
You can reinstall the old VSAM
On 5/20/09 4:29 AM, jose raul baron jba...@calculo-sa.es wrote:
- Does VSAM still exist in z/VM 5.4 ?
You can still use it if you have it, but no new licenses are available and
the product has been pulled from marketing. It still works, and you use the
same installation instructions as you did
On 5/20/09 11:56 AM, David L. Craig d...@radix.net wrote:
I must be missing something here. Shops that had it before
IBM decided to drop support (because there weren't any problems
to resolve) will continue to get it as they upgrade VM, but
new shops cannot get it for love nor money?
As
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Sent: May 20, 2009 11:57 AM
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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:00:30AM -0400, David Boyes wrote:
On 5/20/09 4:29 AM, jose raul baron jba...@calculo-sa.es wrote:
- Does VSAM still exist in z/VM 5.4
On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:17:05 -0400, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net w
rote:
... snipped ...
Please, someone,
explain the rationale behind this. What are new shops supposed
to use instead and are existing shops expected to migrate to
that at some point?
There is no replacement, other than
System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Hans Rempel
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:12 PM
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CMS VSAM is no longer marketed or unsupported. Those that are using it
are doing so at their on risk. Initially it was setup
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Subject: z/VM 5.4 VSAM question - PJBR
Hi, list.
We are currently considering to migrate from z/VM 4.4 to z/VM 5.4 but we
have an issue:
We still have critical applications that use VSE/VSAM 6.1 and the questions
are:
- Does VSAM still exist in z/VM 5.4
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:00:30AM -0400, David Boyes wrote:
On 5/20/09 4:29 AM, jose raul baron jba...@calculo-sa.es wrote:
- Does VSAM still exist in z/VM 5.4 ?
You can still use it if you have it, but no new licenses are available and
the product has been pulled from marketing. It
Of jose raul baron
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:29 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: z/VM 5.4 VSAM question - PJBR
Hi, list.
We are currently considering to migrate from z/VM 4.4 to z/VM 5.4 but we have an issue:
We still have critical applications that use VSE/VSAM 6.1 and the questions
I don't remember a VM/370 1401 emulator. I supported IBM customers that
were running 1401 support under DOS/360, but now I can't remember what
it was called. It required, I think, a hardware feature on the
S/360-30. I think I remember that there was a 1410 emulator that ran
under DOS,
On 5/20/09 9:46 PM, Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu wrote:
[snip] Was there a separate VM/370 1401
emulator or were you just running DOS or DOS/VS under VM/370?
Honestly, I don't remember much about it other than they kept paying for the
darn thing month after month and that the programs were
On Wednesday, 05/20/2009 at 10:01 EDT, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net
wrote:
On 5/20/09 4:29 AM, jose raul baron jba...@calculo-sa.es wrote:
- Does VSAM still exist in z/VM 5.4 ?
- Is it perhaps included in the z/VM 5.4 code (e.g. as TCPIP) ?
No, it's under the same terms (and
On Wednesday, 05/20/2009 at 11:57 EDT, David L. Craig d...@radix.net
wrote:
I must be missing something here. Shops that had it before
IBM decided to drop support (because there weren't any problems
to resolve) will continue to get it as they upgrade VM, but
new shops cannot get it for love
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