By Dr. Ritter:
>> Self carriage, balance, and lightness are mutually interdependent
concepts that overlap to a large extent. A horse who carries himself has
found his balance under the rider. All four legs carry the same amount of
weight, and the thrusting and carrying powers of the hind legs ar
Here's some old video vignettes that I put together:
http://iceryder.net/videoclickermusic.html
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
> where is debby's-did she host a clinic for Dean Voight
> a few years back? I was just an observer that time:) the arena was
in the
> creek bottom...
Yes, that's it; in Templeton. Debby is small and blonde and has the
cremello stallion. Did you see him?
Did you get to ride any of the Icela
Judy
where is debby's-did she host a clinic for Dean Voight (might be misspelled)
a few years back? My brother and sister in law took the ranches 2 paint
geldings thru it. I was just an observer that time:) the arena was in the
creek bottom...
Maggie
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 11:09:36AM -0700, Robyn Hood wrote:
> >>>I don't agree with that Judy, at least not as phrased. If you mean that
> Icelandic Horses are rarely seen in the "signature breed gait of tolt" then
> yes, I totally agree. But I see a lot of gait in my horses at liberty.
i full
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 11:36:09AM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote:
> what's in the blank spaces in between? are there sharp delineations
> among the three middle gaits, and if so, what are they?
>
> There are infinite variations in all things mammalian. No two horses will
> gait EXACTLY alike,
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 02:02:47PM -, kim morton wrote:
> I'm not worried about that at all:), that would be left up to the
> Icelanders, not us. Language changes, and that is a fact, otherwise
> who knows what language we all would be speaking. I think we are
> just talking about which term
On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 03:49:30PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote:
> > i'd give him a treat. (not all the time. it's better to be
> >> a slot machine than a vending machine, you want them to keep playing :)
> >
> > Really nice analogy here--I like that!
>
>
> Did you get to read the thread on the Clic
would love to have a horse my
> size. kind, gated, intelligent, inquisitive. I have loved their
attitude
> since I was at a parelli trainer clinic just south of Paso Robles
Hi Maggie, did I ever meet you? were you at Debby's place (or meet her)?
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryde
On 29/06/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How in the world did you get that picture?
> Nancy
We just switched around herds tonight, and as a result Solon galloped
around rather excited about the whole thing.
Wanda
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 10:40:37AM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote:
> When the fox trotting Icelandic Horses were first identified, the people who
> are pro-icelandic style training and riding (ISTR), yelled and screamed that
> the Icelandics only have the four or five gaits and do NOT fox trot, or
> sa
How in the world did you get that picture?
Nancy
He is so beautiful.
Nancy
>>> http://iceryder.net/videogaitshowdm.html
Well, that looks different in slow motion! I wouldn't even dare guess about
the mule the first time. The mule looks like she/he starts off pretty
pacey, but breaks it up closer to four-beat by the end - maybe moving almost
to saddle rack, at least int
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:37:00AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote:
> If you by your own admission own the only gaited horse you, and
> everyone else you know has ever seen, then why do you persist on
> trying to explain gait to people who on any given day could organize a
> gaited horse ride with
Absolutely! I use the ring for training only and would expect my horse to
allow me to choose gait, but Hunter is an endurance horse. Except for not
letting him go so fast he exhausts himself, I let him choose whatever
sensible gait takes us forward safely and quickly. Since endurance horses
main
Ah - that is so much more clear slowed down. Don't laugh you guys, but is
the mule more lateral and the white horse more diagonal? Does that make the
mule doing a stepping pace? Help me, please.
nancy
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey guys, Raven just called me and said she is on her way to the U
> of
> M in MN... Huginn's temp when back up to 105 degrees... he had a
> reaction to the Medicine this morning... Please send prayers and
> energy to him, this is really scary for Raven
Yes - I do hope others will forgive a discussion in which they can't view
the photo. I did consider scanning it, but I think there is probably
copyright protection.
I can see the wrinkles in the neck and the bit attachment - after I carried
the book across the room where the light is better.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 12:23:33PM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote:
> One thing I like to see is the horse being able to change gaits in different
> situations. I know under saddle it can be annoying for the horse to be
> constantly shifting gaits, but when they are playing, changing directions,
> maybe
> I added "slo-mo" to this page; look at the second video.
I put the wrong URL; here's the correct one:
http://iceryder.net/videogaitshowdm.html
Sorry! The wrong page got a zillion hits today!
Judy
I will keep them both in my heart.
Raven,
Oh my gosh. I can't believe it.
I finally found Lukka and can't imagine losing her.
Please lord,let Huggin be alright.
I live close, let me know if you need anything.
>>> Hey guys, Raven just called me and said she is on her way to the U of M
in MN... Huginn's temp when back up to 105 degrees... he had a reaction to
the Medicine this morning... Please send prayers and energy to him, this is
really scary for Raven...
We're keeping on with the good and positive t
>>>. What a cute horse Skjoni is:) You can see there is a slight slack in
the reins, he's not being forced into gait. He looks good.
Cary loves his Skjoni-Pony. I used to have to beg him to ride with me. I'm
not a big morning person and sometimes I'll look out on Saturday morning
before I'm read
Definitely praying!
Bernadette
>>> Neat Karen! I like the continuous mode photos--they really show the gait
well! And Cary looks to be a very relaxed, easygoing rider.
Thanks. FWIW, it does not take an expensive camera to do that. I used the
tiny little Nikon that Cary bought at Wal-Mart (for about $119 I think) to
get both t
Lets all imagine that we'll
> hear great news this evening.
I sure am, I too have had them in my thoughts all day.
Ann
http://iceryder.net/haroldhorselover.html
You know your wife is a horse lover when...
by Harold Roy Miller
1. Your shin bones are referred to as cannon bones;
2. Your garden bathtub is full of rice bran, psyllium, vitamins and
supplement;
3. RFD-TV is the reason she subscribes to satellite T
> Thanks, Judy. How did you know from looking at the outside of the bit
> that
> it was a gag bit? I did read the info when you posted it the other day,
> but
> still did not recognize the bit.
The gag bit mechanics are obvious from the outside. The headstall is
attached to the purchase. T
> i'd give him a treat. (not all the time. it's better to be
>> a slot machine than a vending machine, you want them to keep playing :)
>
> Really nice analogy here--I like that!
Did you get to read the thread on the ClickRyder list about variable treats
/ rewards versus 1:1 ratios?
http:/
Skye, one of the other members (thank you Karen) found her on USIHC-
http://www.icelandics.org/search/detail.asp?ID=1737
Maggie
On 29/06/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey guys, Raven just called me and said she is on her way to the U of
> M in MN... Huginn's temp when back up to 105 degrees... he had a
> reaction to the Medicine this morning... Please send prayers and
> energy to him, this is really scary for
On 29/06/07, kim morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I went up to watch Leslie Desmond, I saw the most intereting
> thing. She bridled this horse really loose. I mean really loose,
> like the bit was hanging down between his teeth,
I did that by accident when bridling Gusti once. This was wh
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And here's a link to the video I uploaded to You Tube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHdab8atoiA
>
> The pictures were taken literally only seconds before the video.
It's not
> EXACTLY the same stretch in time, but
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I think you're right; and I think that's what we're doing here.
>
> It would be ideal to talk about all the positive stuff, but
sometimes we
> *have* to point out the bad things so that we all know what they
are.
Oh man! Praying.
Nancy
On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:26:09PM -0600, Robyn Schulze wrote:
> i'd give him a treat. (not all the time. it's better to be
> > a slot machine than a vending machine, you want them to keep playing :)
>
> Really nice analogy here--I like that!
i don't think i made it up -- iirc it was something
Hey guys, Raven just called me and said she is on her way to the U of
M in MN... Huginn's temp when back up to 105 degrees... he had a
reaction to the Medicine this morning... Please send prayers and
energy to him, this is really scary for Raven...
--
Debbie in MN
~ I soar with the Eagles...as I f
> Anyway, last Thanksgiving, Cary rode him along this same stretch 3-4 times
> so I could get pictures and a little video.
Neat Karen! I like the continuous mode photos--they really show the
gait well! And Cary looks to be a very relaxed, easygoing rider.
Robyn S
Good grief!
Thanks, Judy. How did you know from looking at the outside of the bit that
it was a gag bit? I did read the info when you posted it the other day, but
still did not recognize the bit.
I ride with a nice lady who uses an improvised gag bit on a gorgeous 1/2
Arab mare. The other half
> When I went up to watch Leslie Desmond, I saw the most intereting
> thing. She bridled this horse really loose. I mean really loose,
> like the bit was hanging down between his teeth, I was kind of
> nervous that the bit could actually come out of his mouth. Nobody
> was on his back. What happen
> How do you get the horse to attain self-carriage? (I'm sure that's a
> big topic!)
>From a RMH trainer:
"Our focus is on a horse that puts no weight on the reins and
responds to the slightest touch. Because the basic foundation of our
training method is teaching the horse self carriage or lig
> I notice some of the horses are being ridden with a rein that snaps to a
> snaffle ring and others are ridden with reins that might have a chain at
> the
> end - or maybe two snaps? What is that?
>
> There's one shown on page 5, page 10, page 31.
On page 5, that's a gag bit (not nice):
http:
I swear by Xenophon, and all the gods and goddesses, making them my
witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this
oath and this covenant:
To hold the horse and those who have taught me the art of horsemanship,
above all others, and to live my life in partnership with
> I guess a general question that has crossed my mind is: "How much do
> we rely on pain to get our horses to respond?"
For some people, that's the only way they ride.
> I don't think we really need to go there at all, so what is the path
> to no pain?
>
> I think first we have to recognize wh
Would this be helpful? Those of you who know Cary and Skjoni know that Cary
doesn't do a thing to force Skjoni into "tolt". Generally, Skjoni defaults
to a saddle rack. (He did do a slightly diagonal 'fox rack" at the Liz
Graves clinic last fall - I suspect that was because the footing was
diffe
http://tinyurl.com/3845j3
Karen Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
These look interesting...enough to make me order one. I have a handheld
mapping GPS that I like, but this one is smaller and should be more
convenient for learning to judge speed. http://tinyurl.com/2x74hc
Karen Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 6/29/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> I tried a happy mouth mullen and Gat hated it! V
>
> One of the "lumpy" ones? Those are pretty thick.
I thought it was thick too, and apparently too thick for Gat cuz she
didn't like it at all.
>
> Here are a couple to look at:
> http://w
> Here's a couple of horses whose gaits are different:
>
> http://iceryder.net/theduff/videosgaitshowdm.html
I added "slo-mo" to this page; look at the second video.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
> It was probably too thick. Why, though, would a mullen be better for
> pacey horses?
Because the jointed snaffle encourages a horse to lift it's head. With a
pacey horse, we don't want the head lifted, we want it down somewhat and
more relaxed.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.
Judy, I think you said you have this book. Anyone else?
I notice some of the horses are being ridden with a rein that snaps to a
snaffle ring and others are ridden with reins that might have a chain at the
end - or maybe two snaps? What is that?
There's one shown on page 5, page 10, page 31.
A
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> When we're talking about evaluations, it's on a
> >> groomed track right? No need for shoes.
> >
> > Actually, I would disagree. We ride on a groomed track
> > A horse has to be able to live without shoes in their home
> terrain
>
> presumably
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I was instructed to have contact because a loose rein allows the
bit
> > to flop around and hit the horses teeth causing discomfort, yet
> > Western riders ride loose rein, so that doesn't make sense to me.
>
>
> Exa
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I was instructed to have contact because a loose rein allows the
bit
> > to flop around and hit the horses teeth causing discomfort, yet
> > Western riders ride loose rein, so that doesn't make sense to me.
>
>
> Exa
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I think you're right about the Palomino. You Tube is a nice tool,
but some
> resolution is lost compared to the "raw" video I can see on my own
PC's,
> even from the videos from my cheap little digital camera.
On 6/29/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It may not work for all horses, depending on the conformation of the inside
> of the mouth. Was it too small, or too wide? Could it have been too much
> mouthpiece (thick)?
>
It was probably too thick. Why, though, would a mullen be better fo
I am going to go out on a limb and say the palamino is doing a stepping
pace but I just couldn't see the mule long enough to tell what it was
doing - all I know is there was a lady in the crowd that "really likes that
mule" - I watched the video so many times her voice is stuck in my head :-)
> I was instructed to have contact because a loose rein allows the bit
> to flop around and hit the horses teeth causing discomfort, yet
> Western riders ride loose rein, so that doesn't make sense to me.
Exactly. It doesn't make sense.
Ideally, you want the horse to pick up and carry the bit h
>> If a horse is pacey, you may have more success in dealing with that gait,
>> and getting other gaits, if you use a mullen mouth.
>
>
> I tried a happy mouth mullen and Gat hated it!
It may not work for all horses, depending on the conformation of the inside
of the mouth. Was it too small,
> I notice that 'walk' is next to 'square' - yet Gat will sometimes do a
> walk that is lateral, if that makes sense.
A walk, ideally, will be square: 1-2-3-4.
However, some walks can leans towards diagonal or lateral.
It sounds like Gat is more laterally conformed, so that makes sense.
I am
>>> I tried a happy mouth mullen and Gat hated it! V
One of the "lumpy" ones? Those are pretty thick. I have one, but I've
never made myself actually use it on a horse! Maybe a mullen snaffle, or a
mullen kimberwicke...? It's just a thought. I've used them sometimes, but
we use French link s
On 6/28/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>we almost always ride on a loose rein when we use a bit, with only
minimal contact.
I was instructed to have contact because a loose rein allows the bit
to flop around and hit the horses teeth causing discomfort, yet
Western riders ride loose re
On 6/29/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sounds like she understands what Alex expects of her, aiming towards w/t/c.
Gat will do w/t/c for Alex, and pace. Plus I've seen Gat do a foxtrot
(I think it's called) with Alex posting thinking it was a trot so I
know Gat throws in her var
On 6/29/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Somewhere, listening to myself on video, I got in the habit of
> saying "thank you" when the horse does what I'd like. I didn't even realize
> I was doing it, but hey, they seem to respond!
>
Thanks--sounds like a good idea. I find that I don
On 6/29/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If a horse is pacey, you may have more success in dealing with that gait,
> and getting other gaits, if you use a mullen mouth.
I tried a happy mouth mullen and Gat hated it!
V
OK - I've resisted this gait identification stuff for as long as I can
(It's just really hard) but you guys have convinced me it's important.
I have some background because i went through this a lot getting
ready to judge dog shows but this is much harder. I can definitely
tell a trot from a pace
> And, while I'm a "tack minimalist", I DO think it's easier with these
> multi-gaited ones to use a bit during any "gait isolation phase" (I like
> that better than saying "gait training").
Which reminds me, and good point about the bit...
A snaffle encourages a horse to have it's head up.
If
On 6/29/07, susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It will all come toghether in one
> big light bulb moment! Believe me, we've all been
> where you are now, but it will come together and make sense.
>
Thanks! I need the encouragement!
V
On 6/26/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
I notice that 'walk' is next to 'square' - yet Gat will sometimes do a
walk that is lateral, if that makes sense.
V
When we're talking about evaluations, it's on a groomed track right?
No need for shoes.
>> sure, but presumably one is still riding one's horse on a usual basis,
and usual reasons apply. stjarni's back feet chip sometimes on our terrain,
so he has front shoes for protection. i'm not about t
>> When we're talking about evaluations, it's on a
>> groomed track right? No need for shoes.
>
> Actually, I would disagree. We ride on a groomed track
> A horse has to be able to live without shoes in their home terrain
presumably one is still riding one's horse on a usual basis,
and usual
>>Pretty hard to get
> video from the side when riding on a dirt road.
> It will be easier to get it on our track and we will try and do it
> tomorrow
> during a riding clinic when were are going to ride different horses to
> show
> a variety of gaits and let people see what they look like so th
>>> Gat was changing her gaits quite quickly, so when she has one I want to
isolate do I just praise her? What do I do when she changes? Ignore it and
just praise everytime she gets into the one I'm isolating?
Hey, don't get the idea that I have any precise road map for how to do
this - I don't!
On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:18:19AM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote:
> Yes, we agree that there are times that shoes are
> necessary.
>
> There are three good reasons for using shoes:
>
> [] Protection
>
> [] Traction
>
> [] Therapeutic
>
> When we're talking about evaluations, it's on a
> groomed trac
>From Sylvia:
Hi, what was Huggin's problem, I am new and missed out on the
first part. My horse has never been sick and he is six years old. I
gelded him last month and he did fine. He has a seagull on his
shoulder on the right side, he is a golden dun paint with salt and
pepper mane and tai
--- Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I do have it, and I confess that I look at it once
in while, get confused. :D <<
I think if you get some videos of you and Gat, and
like I suggested, talk you way thru the video part and
say what you are feeling, like butt cheeks going side
to s
>>> That makes sense, but I didn't think I did very much different while Gat
was changing her gaits, so maybe my changes were more reactions that I
didn't notice. I need to practice more to get a feel for what's happening.
It may simply be that she doesn't have a clue what's expected of her. It
On 6/28/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Maybe try to isolate one or two gaits at first,
> then try to brag on her for doing the ones you like.
Gat was changing her gaits quite quickly, so when she has one I want
to isolate do I just praise her? What do I do when she changes?
Ignore i
On 6/29/07, susan cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It means you have a very talanted horse, and if you
> want her to be consistant in a gait, you need to learn
> to be consistant, too.
That makes sense, but I didn't think I did very much different while
Gat was changing her gaits, so maybe my
On 6/28/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, she has probably gone most of her life, just
> offering stuff and either being framed by the rider,
> or mooshing around in whatever.
>
I don't know anything about her background other than we bought her
from a breeder who had her brought in
> I have a gps that's pretty accurate MOST of the time (except for the
one time it measured Eitill at 110 mph!!!)
>>Cool! I bet you'd win at pace racing! ;P
Yeah, he was just plain walking that day too. Just think what he could do
at a flat walk... ;) Seriously, we were riding in the mount
"Sitting in the eye of the storm" is terrific! That's exactly what it's
like to ride Hunter at a speed rack. And even though my bottom, feet and
legs may be relaxed and still, a good sports bra is a must.
Nancy
>>> So how does it differ from RW? How can I tell the difference from the
ground and in the saddle?
I can usually tell those two apart by the horse's body language, especially
the head. In the saddle rack, the head is usually is very still, at least
slightly raised, but it doesn't have to be anyt
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