On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:39:56 -0800, you wrote:
Why would a horse
open his mouth?
Pain. Lack of training. Excitement/stress (wanting to go faster than
allowed). To breathe ( if the noseband is restricting breathing
through the nose).
Do they open their mouths at liberty? with sidepulls?
Last summer I went looking for an Icelandic horse for my husband. We
found a beautiful (aren't they all) 10-year-old gelding advertised as
perfect trained, bombproof, and old enough to have the sillies out.
He seemed depressed and a bit skinny but that would be easy to fix. An
Icelandic trainer
In a message dated 12/5/2007 5:36:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That ride is a long way from Southern Oregon, but I would love to do it some
time. My great grandfather was stationed at Ft. Tejon with the US Cavalry.
I suppose there are people who ride where their
My rule became -- we don't take a step until both of us are comfortable
with it. ... We had some very long (time) but short (distance) rides when
we first started doing this, but it worked and with out any drama. And in
the process it built a strong bond between us. Now she will go pretty much
Is it me or do those horses look like they are in pain?
Yes, and they also look terrified if you ask me. I know that one of the
horses, the chestnut, is reigning Icelandic World Champion. Pretty sad that
that sort of thing is winning at the top levels in our breed. It makes me
ashamed.
thats my Jas, and lately Teev. just carry on while i do the goofiest
things. with Teev last weekend I realized my left foot is sorta bobbing
aginst his side the whole time i ride. But he somehow deciphers it when i
give a nudge or a soft cue to go right, also like Jas he has learned the
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Does anyone know how I can get rid of some truly disgusting SPAM I'm getting
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I am blocking the sender each time, but it just crops back up with another
sender.
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An additional question: it's not addressed to me, it's addressed to a
gazillion other names and from dozens of different names - perhaps why I
can't block it?
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On 06/12/2007, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An additional question: it's not addressed to me, it's addressed to a
gazillion other names and from dozens of different names - perhaps why I
can't block it?
We're getting the same thing and we haven't found a way to get rid of
it. Some
On 12/5/07 3:31 AM, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How long were they with him for? Or were they covered in hand? If so,
how many times over how many days? And does he have lots of other
foals this year? (if not I would worry about his fertility...)
Sorry you won't be having any next
On 12/5/07 3:34 AM, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:19:25 -0500, you wrote:
If you need a mare to be in season at a specific time it's worth using
something like Regumate to induce ovulation. We're lucky with our lot
- they get to run with the boys for 3 or 4
I know Regumate seems to work, but you know, I also alize that it
encourages marginally fertile mares to become pregnant. That can be a good
thing I suppose, but I also think the fertility of this breed IS higher than
with many (maybe most?) breeds. I'd hate to see us doing anything to
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He looked back at us and sort of raised an
eyebrow, but he stood absolutely still.
He sounds like my mother's spotted saddle horse,
Fireman. Before mom got her knee replacement, she
would have to throw her belly across the saddle and
schooch her
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i have always heard foam wasnt a bad thing. some materials such as
copper make more foam and its supposed to be nice for them to have a
lubricated mouth. What gets me is the tight nosebands OUCH and the
way the noseband goes across and jams the bit HIGH in the corners of
the mouth. This means
If any of you have suggestions training ideas,
know people who might
help, anything useful please contact me on list or
off. Thank you
and thank you again for any help you can provide.
Gail, That is a great story. I wish I had the land
to rescue horses.
Lorraine
very cute :) but one thing I cant ever get over we would never
consider a glass toilet tank with jesus christ in it, but there is
Buddha, a sacred figure to much of the world. On our beach here we
have a goofy golf miniature golf course and one of the holes is a
giant cement buddha in the
Everyone, I read some of my posts. I type like a
drunk. Sorry about that.
Lorraine
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On Dec 6, 2007 9:04 AM, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone know how I can get rid of some truly disgusting SPAM I'm getting
on Outlook Express?
I'd sure like to know as well. I'm getting a ton of it in my Gmail
spam folder and I still go thru without opening all the mail because
Does anyone know how I can get rid of some truly
disgusting SPAM I'm getting
on Outlook Express?
Increase the security level on your email so the SPAM
lands in the junk mail folder. And, for the email you
want to recieve set up a filter (i.e. icehorses) so it
comes through. You can also
In a message dated 12/6/2007 1:14:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All sixteen of my great grandparents emigrated west on the trail either on
horseback, in a wagon, on foot or even pulling a handcart in the 1840's and
1850's.
I meant all sixteen of my great
I want one!http://glasstoilets.com/showroom.php
HAHA!! Crazy girl!
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Does anyone know how I can get rid of some truly disgusting SPAM
I'm getting on Outlook Express?
Have you tried using Firefox as your browser and Gmail for your mail?
Both are free and easy to use.
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie
And most (all?) horses can certainly learn to recognize the difference
between a cue and a bumble. If they can't, I wouldn't call them
well-trained. They might be started, but I couldn't consider them well
trained.
and i think if they over-react to a bumble they have trust/past abuse
this is sad. I think sometimes it is a mean trainer, but then
sometimes I think also its just that these horses are so sensitive and
intelligent, that when life changes for them it gives them something
similar to post traumatic stress, they just cant cope and become
nervous wrecks, or dangerous
Do they open their mouths at liberty? with sidepulls?
Occasionally they do. I was quite surprised to notice when judging how
often horses in sidepulls do actually open their mouths, and also foam
at the mouth, when ridden.
Ohmigosh! You're kidding?!??!
Are these Icelandics?
Can you get
On 12/6/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everyone, I read some of my posts. I type like a
drunk. Sorry about that.
Lorraine
oh nobody cares about that :) What you lack in typeing you more than
make up for in content :)
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
I'm always glad to see someone else's typo's Lorraine. I used to do a lot
of proof-reading. Now when I read my own posts, I groan.
Nancy
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:15:46AM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote:
Anyway, her quote above makes me think of something. A lot of us have heard
the old warnings that we shouldn't use our legs on our Icelandic's. I've
heard some Icelandic's described as well-trained but buyers were warned
never
giant cement buddha in the lotus position with the hole in one in his
crotch area. That must be so offensive to buddhists who drive by, its
located right on the highway beside a giant cement dinosaur. just
doesnt seem right somehow. We should respect others religions i
think.
i agree
Hi Judy
What type of occasions are the horses opening their mouths (i.e. what
activity, circumstances)?
I have seen horses open their mouths without a bit - actually even with a
neck ring I have seen it once or twice - have never gotten a photo. I've
seen it with Icelandics but other breeds as
I have seen horses open their mouths without a bit - actually even
with a neck ring I have seen it once or twice - have never gotten a photo.
I've seen it with Icelandics but other breeds as well.
Robyn, why do you think the horses would be opening their mouths in
the cases that you have
On 12/6/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm always glad to see someone else's typo's Lorraine. I used to do a lot
of proof-reading. Now when I read my own posts, I groan.
Nancy
i know myself, i am a stickler for capitalization and periods
janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
Janice, You state that the horse never gets release with a dropped
noseband. Are you saying that the horse feels no release when the
pressure on the reins (thus the bit and mouth) is softened? I
thought about what you said, and realized that the horse doesn't
ever feel complete release even if
Hi Christine,
Janice, You state that the horse never gets release with a dropped
noseband. Are you saying that the horse feels no release when the
pressure on the reins
Not Janice but what I would say is that dropped nosebands in themselves are
not bad, we use them, but how tight you have them
Hi Judy
why do you think the horses would be opening their mouths in
the cases that you have seen?
I don't really know - they weren't necessarily horses that I had seen do it
with a bit.
Robyn
Icelandic Horse Farm
Robyn Hood Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com
On 06/12/2007, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Judy
why do you think the horses would be opening their mouths in
the cases that you have seen?
I don't really know - they weren't necessarily horses that I had seen do it
with a bit.
I'm curious. When a horse is ventroflexed harshly,
Taken by a friend (I was on a horse! ; )) - you can't see the
tinsel and fairy lights that well.
A grand day out - Icelandic Horse Christmas ride sets out.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jDUNmu3_cYM
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:10:42 -0600, you wrote:
We should respect others religions i
think.
It's gone mad here - something like 90% of schools are not holding
nativity plays this year in case they offend other religions, while
there are now several UK cities where white Christians are by far the
On 06/12/2007, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Meanwhile, nobody bothers at all about offending Pagans on one of
their main festivals...
Wasn't there an English teacher who recently allowed her class to name
a Teddy Bear - Mohamed and she was nearly put to death because of the
parents
Sorry for sending such a huge file!!!
Mic
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:40:39 -0600, you wrote:
Wasn't there an English teacher who recently allowed her class to name
a Teddy Bear - Mohamed and she was nearly put to death because of the
parents outrage. I can't recall what country that was in though.
Sudan. The penalties were either 6 months
Hi Wanda
Wasn't there an English teacher who recently allowed her class to name
a Teddy Bear - Mohamed and she was nearly put to death because of the
parents outrage. I can't recall what country that was in though.
It was in Sudan.
Icelandic Horse Farm
Robyn Hood Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
Hi Gail,
I'm in Oregon and might be able to help you or put you in contact with
someone who could, but your actual e-mail address is not displayed on my
computer. I think there is quite a group of Icelandic owners at your end of
the state that are part of the Cascade Icelandic Club. Will you
Horses opening their mouths: Hunter, not an Icelandic, but a TWH, does all
sorts of weird things with his mouth. I tried the snaffle bit I have always
preferred and a kimberwick, but he fussed and fumed and could run through
the snaffle. Finally, I tried the S-hack that many endurance riders
Now let's not dwell on this. Lesson learned, do better next time!
Well, at least Melnir went out of business with a bang...oops, poor choice
of words. ;)
Karen Thomas
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Are using keepers on a full cheek bit cruel too?
My understanding is that the keepers on a full-cheek bit are to prevent
injury to human bystanders, not for anything related to the horse. I had
the sleeve of my tee-shirt ripped open when my old QH reached over to itch
his face on me once,
On 12/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
that doesn't mean they're not
well-trained; it may mean they are unsuitable for janice (who
doesn't seem the ottb type to me either).
stjarni seems to tune himself somewhat to different riders. i go to a
lot of effort to help my
Not Janice but what I would say is that dropped nosebands in themselves are
not bad, we use them, but how tight you have them is what really prevents
there from having release. Same goes for contact on the reins - depends on
how much pressure the rider has on the reins. Many western reins
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:19:15PM +, Mic Rushen wrote:
It's gone mad here - something like 90% of schools are not holding
nativity plays this year in case they offend other religions,
aren't nativity plays properly the province of churches, not schools?
next thing you'll have churches
Keepers also put pressure on the poll. My question was not about
the purpose of a dropped noseband, but about the issue Janice raised
about release. CJ
Meanwhile, nobody bothers at all about offending Pagans on one of
their main festivals...
I know! Bright blessings.
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
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On 12/6/07, Christine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Keepers also put pressure on the poll. My question was not about
the purpose of a dropped noseband, but about the issue Janice raised
about release. CJ
did my answer make sense?
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
On 12/6/07, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Meanwhile, nobody bothers at all about offending Pagans on one of
their main festivals...
and then, like people like me, who worship Zeus, we can't even have
statues put up next to the veterans monument under the flagpole.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie
and then, like people like me, who worship Zeus, we can't even have
statues put up next to the veterans monument under the flagpole. Janice
I thought you belonged to the church of Tom Jones.
Karen Thomas
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Taken by a friend (I was on a horse! ; )) - you
can't see the
tinsel and fairy lights that well.
A grand day out - Icelandic Horse Christmas ride
sets out.
How neat. I was glad to see some shaved horses to see
how I can shave more hair off of mine..They all seem
so calm. Wonderful.
you know guys, i hate to say it, but riding alone is
highly over
rated. I mean, unless you HAVE to.
I like going for short rides alone alot.
Bia
I don't see how just holding or steadying the bit in the horse's mouth
is more cruel than using a bit at all.
You know, one thing I have to hand the competitive dressage crowd. I've
heard many well-known dressage trainers put it this way: the only purpose of
a dropped noseband is to keep the
I thought you belonged to the church of Tom Jones.
Tom Jones, Zeus, whats the difference, really karen, dont be argumentative.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
i know myself, i am a stickler for capitalization
and periods
janice
--
I usually do proofread. But I have been lazy.
Lorraine
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oh nobody cares about that :) What you lack in
typeing you more than
make up for in content :)
That is the nicest thing I have heard all day. Thanks.
Lorraine
Be a better friend, newshound,
Tom Jones, Zeus, whats the difference, really karen, dont be
argumentative. Janice-
Hey, what am I supposed to do? Mic won't argue with me any more... :)
Karen Thomas
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re: unsuitable for janice this is bearing in mind most people think i
should wear a tee shirt that says I do my own stunts and you havent been
on the list long enough to read of some of my more
adventurous debacles.
Actually Janice, your adventures have been pretty tame since you've been
Angie has been here a week today, and as luck would have it, I've had to
work a lot this week. I was told that she could be jumpy, and that she
could be pretty hard to catch. Runa has been her designated buddy during
her settling in phase. I've been leading her and Runa out in a small
pasture
I like going for short rides alone alot.
I have always ridden alone. If I don't, who will go
with me? You people are too far away.
Lorraine
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We got 5 inches of snow yesterday then it went down
to zero this
morning. Had very frosty horses. They've been
sunning themselves in
the pasture as it's warmed up to 30 F. It's so hard
to get photos of
them as they all want to be next to me.
How beautiful. They look like they are
We got 5 inches of snow yesterday then it went down to zero this morning.
Had very frosty horses.
Wow - Beautiful! Falki never had a lot of snow here. I need to see if I can
find one of him in the snow in NC. How big is he compared to Gloi?
Karen Thomas
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She is doing what she was meant to do and loving it. Laree in NC
How wonderful that she found her calling and is following her dream. Can't see
pics as I receive the digest version but you must be so proud!
Trish
Thanks to those of you (Mic and Trish) for recommending Sherri Tepper
- I just finished Beauty and it was great.
Oooh, I envy you, just starting out on your Tepper journey! I just
finished her latest, The Margarets - fantastic. Have you read it yet,
Mic?
Two of my friends in the area are
Tom Who?
I sort of like Johnny Depp.
Nancy
On 06/12/2007, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought you belonged to the church of Tom Jones.
So Janice, what type of service do you have? Do you just stand and
stare at him and then throw panties on the altar?
If I had a chance to meet a famous person, I can't imagine who it
would
BTW, I crossed a really big hurdle on Saturday - I rode Skessa on our
Christmas ride, with 22 other Icelandics. Mic
Sounds like fun! Congratulations, Mic...
Trish
On Dec 6, 2007 7:16 PM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How big is he compared to Gloi?
Falki is definately bigger than Gloi by almost 100 lbs and a little
less than one hand difference. Gloi is about 12-1 to 12-2 where Falki
is 13 to13-1.
--
Anna
Southern Ohio
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Are you new to the list
Yes, I'm on the Cascade list but not this one. I hoped with a braoder
scope to find more help, more people like you and perhaps even the
right home for Baldur.
Do you know if he was ignored in the
Karen, I did not say that the only purpose of the dropped noseband was to
steady the bit.
I wasn't trying to be dishonest as you seem to imply. I was commenting on the
difference
in RELEASE between a bit with and without the dropped noseband. Besides
keeping the
horse's mouth shut, it does
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jDUNmu3_cYM
Good job, Mic!! (on the ride, and on the video, and uploading it!)
Judy
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Use your brain, think about the things like nosebands and the biomechanics
and how they interact and affect one another and the horse.
Thinking Like a Genius:
Even if you're not a genius, you can use the same strategies as
Aristotle and Einstein to harness the power of your creative mind and
Sod's law, I can't find any at the moment, though this one shows
flecks of foam on the chest of the pinto (all 3 horses are bitless).
While it's good for a horse's mouth to be moist (versus dry), excess foam is
not a good thing. It can indicate stress.
I think possibly the riders may be
Angie has been here a week today,
Happy Anniversary Angie.
Lorraine
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I'm curious. When a horse is ventroflexed harshly, is it possible
that the mouth is opened as a reflex reaction? Are there muscles that
would cause that to happen when a horse is forced to 'star gaze'??
That could be.
Let's think about this: The gaited horse has somewhat loose tendons
On Dec 6, 2007 7:25 PM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will put her in the herd
eventually, but for now, I want her 1) isolated so she can relax and settle
into her new home, and 2) to get used to a routine of twice daily handling,
so that coming in to the barn is a pleasant event,
A good book:
For One More Day by Mitch Albom
The movie is on ABC on Sunday night, December 9.
Another:
A book by Kristine Carlson, An Hour to Live, an Hour to Love.
If you had one hour to live and could make just one phone call, who would you
call? What would you say? And why are you
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyway, her quote above makes me think of something. A lot of us
have heard the old warnings that we shouldn't use our legs on our
Icelandic's. I've heard some Icelandic's described as
well-trained but buyers were warned never to use legs on them.
This may have been mentioned in an earlier post, but the last edition
of Gaited Horse Magazine summed up their 10 years of publishing
experience by thanking the influential people who contributed to their
success over the years. Along with Lee Ziegler, and Liz Graves, Judy
was recognized for
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone know about side saddles?
Hello Nancy,
I finally found my copy of Gaited Horse magazine. Here are some quotes
and resources.
People who have never tried riding sidesaddle are often amzaed that
riders can do
Then she stepped Prize's front feet over the tree and parked him
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and sort
of raised an eyebrow, but he stood absolutely still.
My first horse as an adult was an Appy mare, country girl. She would
give me
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