On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:23:22 -0800, you wrote:
http://icyhorse.smugmug.com/photos/235883637-L.jpg
We call that a Dutch gag here. It's a bit which can be really vicious
in the wrong hands, but that particular horse look happy and relaxed
in it.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
For Nancy, who is getting confusing advice...boy, haven't we all been there.
Nancy I kept a couple of treed saddles until just this year, although I got
my first treeless (a BMSS) almost five years ago. I finally sold my last
treed adult size saddle - a Duett Encore dressage - that came anywhere
Beautiful!
Nancy
Thanks for the thorough and lengthy answer. Now I'm really scared.
Nancy
Thanks for the thorough and lengthy answer. Now I'm really scared.
Sorry! If it helps, Sina still reigns as my hardest to fit horse of all
times, although most Icelandic's can be a real challenge. Wasn't I just
too darned lucky that I had to fall in love with the most difficult to fit
horse
There's an interesting article on dealing with Barn Sour horses in the
latest issue of Trail Rider magazine. The article was written by Lynn Palm.
It's worth the cost of the magazine, I think.
Karen Thomas
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and I was so banged up when I got her,
just recovering from my broken back.
For me, that horse is Hunter, and a highly unlikely candidate he has been,
but I trust this horse beyond measure - and perhaps beyond reason. It's
been three years since I had compression fractures of T6 ad T8 and I
You can see it everywhere. Look at a few of these photos at a recent
clinic: http://www.ciaclub.net/photos/olil07.html
Wow, and I believe that a couple of those riders (at least a couple) have
represented the USA in international competition, and that at least one is a
judge...? I'd never
She looks like Scooter's sister.
Well, that could explain why Scooter rocks too!
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On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 11:38:25PM -0800, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island wrote:
The one with Sally riding bareback...
The other one is a shot of some of the herd we have out in the Big
pasture, it is absolutley beautiful out there..
The Chestnut is my favoriteI just love her.
all SO
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Because, I believe that they start off with a naturally gaited horse
and use the weighted boots to make a flasher higher leg action which
is desired for the show because it looks nice, humans like to see
that action.
thats
Actually, probably hard to see but he has only one foot supporting, the
right hind is off the ground but kind of blends into the dirt at that size
photo.
gorgeous!
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
what a beautiful horse. I think she shoulda been named panda tho haha.
Janice
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ooh I love the canter to skip one! Stonewall seems a little hard
wired to his early years clicker training and every time I try to send
him over a big log he stops and stands on it like a pedestal :) I
tell him good boy and he goes on. man, I have to be careful what i
teach him cause it is
did the games with Traveller too, and he seemed scared of the circling
game and he is a horse that hated roundpenning. Interesting how these
games so easily reveal real life problems they have. and real life
easiness they have, like jaspar, just like under saddle, did
everything so easy and
Beautiful! Raven
Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
that is a nice video Nancy, a beautiful place to ride!
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
how beautiful!
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
This quote is on the front page of an icelandic-style trainer / seller:
Thou must learn the thoughts of the noble horse whom thou wouldst ride. Be
not indiscreet in the demands, nor requiring him to perform indiscreetly.
The horse is a wise animal. Let him show you the best and most natural way
The icelandic-style riders tend to get in their horse's way in regard to
clean gaits.
Here is a trot:
http://icyhorse.smugmug.com/photos/181775920-M.jpg
You can see that each hoof is pointed in a different direction.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
In German:
http://www.iceland-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1659
and it also mentions the Cavallo article.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
Is this horse hollow:
http://icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3149952/1/172938693/Medium
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
Again I believe with what is used it is used to make the leg action
higher, not to make an ungaited hores gaited
If it was just one thing boots, or long toes, or heavier shoes, or
but it's everything, including the tight saddles, the tight nosebands, the
big bits, the heavy
Good grief! Where are you finding these?
Nancy
On 01/01/2008, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is this horse hollow:
http://icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3149952/1/172938693/Medium
In a word, YES.
Oh dear that's the horse with all the hardware. I see now why his
eyes looked so haunted.
Wanda
http://icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3149952/1/172938693/Medium
horse and rider both have hollow backs.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
well what gets me is everybody wants to be so euro and dressagy, yet
if you got somebody REALLY dressagy they would look at that and go
yechh.
Janice
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Good grief! Where are you finding these? Nancy
It looks to me like the pictures she sent the last couple of days have
mostly come from RECENT show and clinic postings... I BELIEVE the pictures
were posted by participants who apparently see nothing wrong in these
images. That freaks me out.
horse and rider both have hollow backs. Janice-
Yep, and here's another of the same horse and rider.
http://icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3149952/1/172922463/Medium
Look how far up in that short Icelandic mouth the bit is pulled. That would be
a gag bit even if it weren't a gag bit.
Oh dear that's the horse with all the hardware. I see now why his
eyes looked so haunted.
everybody pretty much agrees a wonder bit is horrible, its an elevator
gag. But a wonder bit has curving shanks which lightens the effect
some. This bit makes a wonder bit gentle in comparison. a
There's an interesting article on dealing with Barn
Sour horses in the
latest issue of Trail Rider magazine. The article
was written by Lynn Palm.
It's worth the cost of the magazine, I think.
I already subscribe to that. I also bought a book by
Linda T. Jones
Lorraine
She looks like Scooter's sister.
Well, that could explain why Scooter rocks too!
Thanks for making me laugh. That is cute
Lorraine
Be a better friend, newshound, and
know-it-all with
Oh dear that's the horse with all the hardware. I see now why his eyes
looked so haunted.
Wanda, I see what I think is a wonder bit in his mouth, no chin strap which is
surprising so I am not sure what you are saying about all the hardware, I do
see a saddle sitting too far back on the
This seems to be another series of the same rider, different horse. Take a
look at numbers 2 and 3 - not the way I want my horses to look at canter.
http://icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3277976#181776802-M-LB
I don't know what's going on with #7 of the series...Look how one front pastern
Is this horse hollow?
http://icyhorse.smugmug.com/gallery/3277976#181775822-M-LB
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I'm surprised what Wanda calls hardware is approved for showring use.
I think in all fairness that you could catch any one of us and our horses in
an occassional burn that photo moment, but these photos have been
published. Someone somewhere must think they're nice examples of riding and
gorgeous!
Segull is a gorgeous horse. He seems to be quite the gentleman too, living
quietly in the pasture with his mares. Robyn has had three really nice
stallions in Segull, Lettir and Bragur - I don't know her younger ones. I do
know that little Refur, Lettir's grandson and Segull's
http://iceryder.net/videogaitdrifa.html
Nope; that's not my Drifa
Thanks for the photo; I was pretty sure your Drifa was black and white
pinto, but now I'm at a loss as to who's horse is in the video!
What happened to your shoulder?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
http://iceryder.net/videogaitdrifa.html
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
mostly come from RECENT show and clinic postings... I BELIEVE the pictures
were posted by participants who apparently see nothing wrong in these
images. That freaks me out. See why we get so up in arms about Icelandic
Style Riding or whatever the heck we choose to call it?
well gosh
well, sina and scooter rock, but nasi and tivar rock and ROLL.
Janice
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http://www.ciaclub.net/photos/photos/olil07-07.jpg
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
On 02/01/2008, Jeannette Hoenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wanda, I see what I think is a wonder bit in his mouth, no chin strap which
is surprising so I am not sure what you are saying about all the hardware,
Then ignore the bit and look at the hands on the reins...
Look at the ewe neck and
I believe this person may give Icelandic-style clinics...? Look
through the whole series.
You're kidding?!?!?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
and again, so is the rider.
janice
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http://iceryder.net/videogaittosca.html
For Tosca, the first clip is flat walk, and the second clip is fox trot.
She doesn't need gait training now, but what you can do with these gaits is
keep her in them (whatever she offers at the time), and then ask her to quit
before she quits the gait.
Good grief! Where are you finding these?
Just click onto any site that has photos of icelandic-riding-style (GIT)
breeder, trainer, seller, and they are plentiful.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
well, sina and scooter rock, but nasi and tivar rock
and ROLL.
Janice
Sorry Janice. But I want to rock without rolling. LOL
Lorraine
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i think a saddle rack. maybe. sometimes it seems a foxtrot. and not
because of how the feet are falling, picking up etc.-- but because the
horse is in a frame so like a saddleracker goes. but there is a
tail bob, which is supposed to be a sign of a rack. but seems a sort
of up and down motion
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:02:35 -0800, you wrote:
Remember that they are not used to and don't expect to see gaitedness on the
ground. Their norm is to have gaitedness come about because of the rider.
That's not accurate. Most of my Icelandic friends would expect to see
at least some tolt on the
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:36:10 -0800, you wrote:
http://www.ciaclub.net/photos/photos/olil07-07.jpg
That's SO behind the vertical it's virtually rollkur. Yuck.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
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Solva
Most of my Icelandic friends would expect to see
at least some tolt on the ground
Do we have any pictures of young horses tolting?
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
Anyone besides me recognize this month's handsome cover boy on the Majo's
Transportation home page...? http://majos-stall.com/hauling.html
(He's not in NC anymore, that's for sure...and I do miss him.)
Karen Thomas
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the absolute worse train wreck i ever saw on a horse had a kid in one
of these. in fact, the mother just died, two years after the
accident, leaving a 6 year old youngster and two older kids without a
mom because of it. I watched her put the little boy in and I was
actually thinking at the time,
Our friends who own Lina, half sister to our mares, bought a double
saddle, so their disabled sister could ride with a partner. Lina did a nice
bucking exhibition to communicate her opinion of the weight over her loin.
Nancy
Thanks, Judy.
Nancy
with walking horses, after all, thats where the abuse is, and as long
as we can point fingers at the hillbillys
Oh no! Janice! Is this one of those You know you are a redneck if... My
grandson, who takes great pride in his redneck status is going to want to
start riding my TWH instead of
On 1/2/08, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone besides me recognize this month's handsome cover boy on the Majo's
Transportation home page...? http://majos-stall.com/hauling.html
(He's not in NC anymore, that's for sure...and I do miss him.)
is it Falki??
Janice
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:02:35 -0800, you wrote:
Remember that they are not used to and don't expect to see gaitedness on the
ground. Their norm is to have gaitedness come about because of the rider.
That's not accurate. Most of my Icelandic
Okay, now I see what you mean, not so much hardware, but hard use, I agree the
horse is very high headed and that is from the gag effect but I was surprised
that the mouth was not strapped closed. The wonder bit I don't see used much
around here but on occassion some of the barrel horse riders
Hi Jeanette,
Wanda, I see what I think is a wonder bit in his mouth, no chin strap
which is surprising so I am not sure what you are saying about all the
hardware
I think it is the gag effect that Wanda is commenting about. I think Janice
sent us a photo with her horse? Using a wonderbit ??
skye, i dont know how big you are and I wouldnt ask you for details,
but I personally am huge :) And my sensation hybrid fits great. Now,
it doesnt fit like it probably SHOULD, but it fits fine. My fat is
pretty squishy for lack of a better word. When someone asked if I
felt a bigger one would
while they realized bigger heavier shoes would make higher flashier
action (that as you say, humans like to see). Then they found if
they
bred for paciness, the big shoes would square them up to a smoother
gait with high action. So then of course everyone wants to breed
to
the WGC's
Hi Mic
Most of my Icelandic friends would expect to see
at least some tolt on the ground, and would worry if a horse only ever
showed trot as a foal. Likewise if a foal only showed hard pace
That is my experience as well - looking at foals at 10 days - 2 weeks? Is
usually what kind of gait
we have a friend who has brought three daughters up riding. They
start out riding the old deadbroke walking horse in an adult saddle
while he ponies them, they sit sorta in a TV sitting position with
feet up and seem so happy and the horse is so gentle and good. Then
they gradually grow into the
is it Falki?? Janice
No, silly, don't you recognize the first Icelandic you ever rode?! That's Big
Tate, a.k.a. Eitill.
Karen
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Wingate, NC
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Hi Judy
Yet non-gaited horse foals will also gait at that time because of the
immature musculature.
Interesting - do they trot and canter as well.
How many Icelandic Horses gait at liberty? Pictures? Video?
Lots - we just don't carry a camera with us very often. Mic is good about
it.
But I
That is my experience as well - looking at foals at 10 days - 2 weeks? Is
usually what kind of gait you will see when they are trained because their
choice of gait changes as they grow. We watch our young horses a lot.
is my stonewall unusual then? I mean he ALWAYS trots in the field.
When
That's not accurate. Most of my Icelandic friends would expect to
see
at least some tolt on the ground, and would worry if a horse only
ever
showed trot as a foal. Likewise if a foal only showed hard pace
I agree with Mic on that. My friend imported a young stud colt, his
siore is
which is kinda dumb really too, since my stonewall is a racking
fool
and he has never ever done anything in the field but trot trot trot
and more trot :) I dont know about hard pace, that might worry me,
but knowing what i know, if I saw a horse trotting at liberty I
would
not discount it
has anyone ever seen a horse flying pace at liberty?
Sally did that day. She was riding with the herd earlier and the
young boys were cantering and playing...well my boy Dynfari decided
he wanted to get infront on Bylgia and Sally so she saw him go into
flying pace and zmed past them
Hi Janice,
is my stonewall unusual then? I mean he ALWAYS trots in the field.
I don't think so. I rarely see Segull gait in the pasture but that is his
first choice generally under saddle or when driving. Bragur is the only
stallion that I see gait a lot in the pasture and then it is generally
Of course I knew that it would be said that it did not fit him
OK, how about if some saddle-fit-knowledgeable people give some input on the
saddle fit?
I can send the picture to a couple of lists for their opinions.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
We look for tolt the first 3 days...we always watch for it.if I
wanted to train a horse to gait I could have bought a cheap TWH on
island.
If you bank on what you see re: gaits that early, then someone could sell
you a three-gaited QH as a gaited horse - cheap or expensive! You'd
I believe the traditional way is to watch for all 4 or 5 gaitsthey
want to keep the trot intact as a gait
Skye, just who is this all-knowing they...and how do I know if I share
their values, or if they even know what the heck they are talking
about?
Karen Thomas, NC
OK, how about if some saddle-fit-knowledgeable people give some
input on the saddle fit?
I can send the picture to a couple of lists for their opinions.
That would be great as I would really like to learn what specifically
some peoples opinion about would be. And how can you tell from
--- That's why I think that maybe when the trot is
considered important the
breeding goals may be more challenging - to get the
balance. What do others
think?
Interesting point. Peruvians will trot and canter at
liberty as do other horses but are not allowed to trot
under saddle. It is
Do we have any pictures of young horses tolting?
Here's one.
OK, that's baby gait.
Maybe young should not have been in there; maybe it should be Do we have
any pictures of Icelandic Horses tolting at liberty?
What about the people who start breeding their horses before they are ridden,
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:16:57 -0600, you wrote:
but knowing what i know, if I saw a horse trotting at liberty I would
not discount it gaitwise!
It's only if a foal/youngster NEVER shows any soft gait at all that
breeders get bit concerned.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
It's only if a foal/youngster NEVER shows any soft gait at all that
breeders get bit concerned.
I'd basically agree with that, although it would personally worry me more to
see a horse that ONLY paces. A lot of people (me included) can be perfectly
happy on a three-gaited (trot only) horse,
Hi Maria
Interesting point. Peruvians will trot and canter at
liberty as do other horses but are not allowed to trot
under saddle. It is said about them that 100% of
foals inherit the gait (to greater or lesser degrees
and abilities)
I am sure they do inherit the gait - I have seen a number of
What about the people who start breeding their horses before they are ridden,
so they have no idea of what type of gaitedness the horse has.
I'm sorry, I don't care what anybody says, there is absolitely no way
on earth of knowing a horse will gait under saddle until you ride it
and it
Icelandics - as has been discussed here before - and
the better option IMO
is to find out what the horse is good at and promote
that and gait can come
later in life.
I agree! I just got a set of Brenda Imus DVD's and
that is something she promotes. Looking at the
conformation and what
The sensation is a cross between a treed and a treeless? Do not
know much about it
maggie posted a gorgeous hybrid she has on ebay, dont know if it sold
yet!! It had the longer seat! If it didnt sell maybe she would work
something out with you. it was an awesome saddle, brand new,
you just seem very similar to me, and I found the sensation hybrid
doesnt slip, feels secure etc.
Janice
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yipie tie yie yo
No, silly, don't you recognize the first Icelandic you ever rode?! That's
Big Tate, a.k.a. Eitill.
oh my eitill potatill! I THOUGHT Falki had a star or something white
on his face didnt he? Eitill what a guy!
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 01:33:13PM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't care what anybody says, there is absolitely no way
on earth of knowing a horse will gait under saddle until you ride it
and it gaits. I don't care if its parents gait, both of them, for
generations, all the
oh my eitill potatill! I THOUGHT Falki had a star or something white
on his face didnt he? Eitill what a guy!
I'm in black gelding withdrawal now. Falki is in Ohio, and Eitill is back
in MI, and it will be another 2-3 before Mr. Landi Einstein will be ready to
ride.
Yes, Falki has a
Didn't Pam Hansen order a Dave Genadek's saddle a while back??? Does anyone
know how she likes it??? Did I miss the posts
from her about this???
I have sent several clients to Dave who the Sensation did not work for, but
no Icelandics as yet. His saddles have worked well for them, but they
a wonderbit is used with a curb strap, and the way it is configured
the curb strap does not rest in the normal place, but higher up. its
very weird! i believe a wonderbit could make a horse of any breed
rack because it makes the head so high. I actually started stonewall
in one. I was told to.
bad as I wanted a little snow... now look at this, it may snow in
freakin daytona beach for goodness sakes!
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A hard freeze expected in parts of Central Florida
early Thursday will bring a chance of snow flurries in Daytona Beach
and other areas as temperatures drop into the teens
Hi Skye
That would be great as I would really like to learn what specifically
some peoples opinion about would be. And how can you tell from a
pic?
Having ridden in and own(ed) a variety of saddles with a big interest in
saddle fit for over 20 years I would say that initially the saddle
Hi Janice
I'm sorry, I don't care what anybody says, there is absolitely no way
on earth of knowing a horse will gait under saddle until you ride it
and it gaits. I don't care if its parents gait, both of them, for
generations, all the way up the tree.
And that is also one of the challenges
Due to a bad case of the Crud and traveling, I've been out of touch
but am finally back in my normal routine - just wanted to share this -
I think we could all use it in reference to the list and our general
lives
Subject: Garbage Trucks
How often do you let other people change your mood? Do you
well maybe florida will have snow, temps in the teens, and a tropical
storm all in the same week. happy new year.
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Hi Vicka
i think taking the lessons made all the difference in the world. i got
good feedback on what stjarni was doing with all those legs and how it
sounded and felt. then i was able to make sense of it, and work out
ways to communicate with him what i wanted and when.
There is no question
Hi Laree
Great post
Thanks
Robyn
Icelandic Horse Farm
Robyn Hood Phil Pretty
Vernon BC Canada
www.icefarm.com
On 02/01/2008, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Due to a bad case of the Crud and traveling, I've been out of touch
but am finally back in my normal routine - just wanted to share this -
I think we could all use it in reference to the list and our general
lives
Oooo...
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well maybe florida will have snow, temps in the teens, and a tropical
storm all in the same week. happy new year.
There goes the price of oranges through the roof!
Janice, I don't know what's going on but we've had gale force winds
here
Hi Karen,
Robyn has had three really nice stallions in Segull, Lettir and Bragur - I
don't know her younger ones.
Thanks for that. We really like the stallions we have and Undri - the pinto
son of Lettir is going to be fabulous. Mandy started him last spring in
California and rode him a
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