Diminutive of obstreperous - or is it obstrepherous? Either way, that's the
derivative.
Ann in Manchester, UK
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From: Patricia Dowden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: [lace] Dolphin and bobbin
. . . I think
I thought the original request on this subject was for the pattern or
pricking of the dolphin and bobbin in lace.
After the original request was made there has been no mention, at all, of
the pattern or pricking. The subject has been changed all around. I would
like to know if anyone ever came
Yes, if we all sit back and don't enter anything in these exhibitions, there
will be a very poor selection to view!!
Having lace made by relative beginners on display is good, as people can see
what can be achieved soon after starting lacemaking, and how a person can
progress to great heights!
If
On Tuesday, Sep 30, 2003, at 15:29 US/Eastern, Linda Walton wrote:
just this afternoon I saw a display of lacy garters in a lingerie
shop, and
one of them was so unusual that I want to tell you all about it.
Instead of being gathered and frilled, it was a smooth strip, so I
suppose
it fastened
On Thursday, Aug 28, 2003, at 16:47 US/Eastern, Bev Walker wrote:
remember we were chatting about one-handed lacing - I tried it with my
Flanders
ground edging - did not last long with working with one hand. Torchon
no
problem, but Flanders ground - it goes much better with both hands in
motion
When we started our lace group way back in 1978 I suggested that we should
have a laceday. We were only l5 members, we hired a hall, advertised as best
we could, invited Doreen Wright to be our speaker.As I was the instigator, I
was naturally worried if we would get enough visitors to pay for all
The German magazine 'Anna' has published items on this lace over the past 3-4
years, including the instructions on making a vest (waistcoat).
Also Nordic Needle have several books on the subject in their catalogue and
website.- Nordicneedle.com
Maxine,
in unsettled spring N.Z. - we are
Round here (south London) it's about how much the venue costs to hire more
than the teaching. You can easily pay £70 plus for one term.
One of my local lace groups is about £50 a year for one meeting a month
simply due to the cost of the venue.
Whenever I teach privately I always say that I'll
Aurelia you will find the pattern on page 113/4 of Barbara Underwood book
'A Bedfordshire Lace Collection' published by - yes you guessed it Ruth Bean
;))
I too saw Christine Agambar working the hankie on a course at the college, I
was also lucky enough to see the completed piece on display with
Spiders,
Isn't the important issue here of what was historically acceptable and what
is acceptable now.
In the past, lacemakers got copies of patterns by taking rubbings or
prickings of other prickings.
There were only a few designers and if you made lace you made it commercially
from a
Thank you, Edith! -- There it is, Christine Agambar's wonderful
handkerchief, photographed in Barbara Underwood's Bedfordshire Lace
Collection. There's even the pricking for it shown, taken from an original
Thomas Lester draft (and what a feat that must have been, to make a usable
pricking out of
Change of subject, If you send a stamped address envelope (over seas two
international postage vouchers) 31p postage I will send you three spider patterns,
1 large spider mat, 1 dainty spider mat and 1 circular spider mat. Enjoy. A
HREF=http://bigginslace.co.uk/;
Biggins - The Torchon Lace
Liz wrote:
Now here's a thought - let's take the Bible - say, the new Testament - OK,
even at latest date the last books of the New Testament are supposed to
have
been written about the end of the first century so they are 2000 years
old -
obviously over the 50 years since the death of the
Yes, Yes, Yes - do you think I want to trace patterns then prick them - I
love the fact that I can photocopy the pattern then take a true pricking from it.
In a message dated 28/08/2003 20:29:53 GMT Daylight Time,
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As an aside, I consider the photocopy machine a
Thanks, Sue, for the suggestion. That certainly is just up my alley for inclusion on
the Professor's list. However, any books or articles, or patterns for that matter,
have to have been published before 1923 to be eligible for the site, in case you find
something you think I could include.
If it's The Handky I'm thinking of, it's from Ann Buck's book on Lester
and the lace industry in the East Midlands. Does it have roses, and
sweeps of thistles in the corners? If so, that's the one! There's a
pic or 2 of the original lace in the book, and a quarter of the
pricking.
I remember
The new regional director for South East USA
Mary Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is looking for a bobbin lace teacher for someone in Camden SC. Any ideas?
S Joy
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There's a copy of the above on ebay, starting price 5 pounds. Seller will
post to the Uk only, but if anyone in the US or elsewhere is desperate, I'm
willing to take delivery and post on, but the postage from the seller to me
would be 2 pounds, and it will be a lot more to post on outside the UK.
Guys,
I was being flippant and I may have offended some on this lace thread.
Please accept my apologies - it doesn't matter what point I was trying to make if
it upsets anyone or causes concern.
Also, thought this one was on lace chat not lace otherwise I would have put
all my thoughts into
Dear friends -- On this lovely, sunny, COOL, Sunday morning I am thinking
it's time to stop slicing and dicing irrelevances (copyrights; stealing
!) and return to thoughts about lace. One of the delights of actually
getting up and going off to take a lace course is seeing what other people
are
Thank you, Diana! Guided also by another Arachne, I found Christine's
wonderful handkerchief in Barbara Underwood's Collection. A truly
precious experience, almost like having the actual piece. It still seems a
miracle how Christine did it.
Yes, I used to run back and forth to England three or
typicall lacers - I could make that ... if I had all the bobbins
grin
Liz
In a message dated 28/08/2003 18:10:18 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Subj: Re: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues (Soapbox)
Date: 28/08/2003 18:10:18 GMT Daylight Time
From: A
Just another thought - I bought a software program from a Jewish company and
on the disk it had the following caveat:
You make make a copy of this software for personal back up purposes.
Illegal copying of this software is against US and GOD's laws
I felt that I had been truely warned.
You
Vivienne and all the spiders,
Apologies for not joining this thread earlier but I've been making chutney -
I'm sure you can all smell it from here.
Here you have hit the nail on the head.
For some reason, we lace makers think that to own more patterns than we could
make in a life time is a
In a message dated 29/08/2003 23:34:37 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whether Buck's pricking of the Channer Mat is even copyrightable by Bean
or
Buck is a thorny legal question, since Channer had published the mat
previously and it was already in the public domain.
I
From a August 3, 1911 Newspaper:
QUEEN'S LACE MAKER
AGED LADY HAS MADE EMBROIDERY FOR THE CORONATION
Mrs. Jane Morris of Shelton in Northamptonshire Has Been Working Hard
Weaving Three-Quarters of an Inch a Day of Exquisite Pillow Lace For Her
Majesty's Ceremonial Robes.
In a little cottage in
In a message dated 8/31/03 2:00:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I used to run back and forth to England three or four times a year, so
it is likely that you and I did meet in Pam's class. Beds and Bucks and Pam
and Springetts and Luton and Doreens Fudge and Wright and
On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 05:39 PM, Liz wrote:
Spiders - this has made me think - how many of you who design use computer
programs and which do you use
I use an old Acorn RISC OS computer and !Draw which comes with every RISC
OS machine for the straightforward grid laces (torchon etc) and
If the pricking published by Ruth Bean is Patricia Bury's copyright, as it
looks like it is, then that puts a totally different complexion on things.
It will remain her copyright until 70 years after her death. If she has the
same type of contract that Rosemary Shepherd and Jane Atkinson had, and
Jean Nathan wrote:
If she has the same type of contract that Rosemary Shepherd and Jane
Atkinson had, and that
I have, when the publisher won't reprint at the copyright holder's request,
the copyright holder must be given all the printing plates, etc, and can
choose to republish either themselves
This makes Miss Channer's mat look like kindergarten work!
http://blondecaen.chez.tiscali.fr/cou7.htm#cou7
Sylvia Andrews
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I've had a quick search through the obvious places I might find a dolphin or
bobbin pricking, and found the following dolphins:
'Lace' No 78 (blue cover) April 1995 - 'Arion astride the Dolphin' by Freda
Bull
'Lace' No 99 July 2000 - two dolphions, one staight, one arched
'100 New Bobbin Lace
Liz Asks
Spiders - this has made me think - how many of you who design use computer programs
and which do
you use
My DH is a retired surveyor and we have a (once very expenseive, now
useless to him) survey software package based on a 3 dimensional
grid. Two dimensions are perfect for
Didn't I just see something on Arachne about this? I am trying to find a source for
the Needle and Bobbin Club collection. The Professor says we can scan it. Does anyone
have any ideas? Anyone who might lend it to me?
I photocopied all the lace articles some years ago, but the illustrations
Doesn't look like the person who spangled these knows what spangles are for.
And what a price for 'a set' of plain bobbins and a book.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3240254071category=114
or search for item number 3240254071
Jean in Poole
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Sorry to go on about this but those without access may want the following
facts, those living near Copenhagen, Denmark are welcome to see my copy
of the pattern.
One of the very first lace books I got was Lacemaking, Point Ground by
C.C. Channer revised by M. Waller, the Dryad Press Leicester,
If you are putting notes in your copy of Doreen Wright's Bobbin Lace Making
you may also want to note that most of the Tønder laces are not Danish but
Czech. They are from (accents removed):
Smolkova, Marie A. Bibova, Regina:
Krajky a krajkarstvi lidu slovanskeho v cechach, na morave, ve
Someone from the states was amazed that I wouldn't drive to Birmingham, UK
for a meeting - which is only 170 miles away.
They told me that it would only take them 2 1/2 hours - they didn't believe
me when I said that it could take me 2 1/2 hours to drive 50 miles across
London.
I love London,
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I
love the fact that I can photocopy the pattern then take a true pricking from
it.
But only if the photocopier doesn't distort the pattern - be warned, and
do a sample copy first with accurately measured horizontal and vertical
lines - or
On Saturday, Aug 30, 2003, at 12:39 US/Eastern, Pene Piip wrote:
She'll be five weeks old, was born at the end of July, so
Juliet or Julie are possibilities.She is the traditional salt
pepper colour, so Pepper is another name but I'm not
crazy about it.
How about Saltine (Tina for short)? I'm
When did you last look at all the pictures that you and your family
past and present have taken?
I have suddenly had to look through many photos, yes some are
in albums, most of my lace ones are. I have done what my family
in the past have done, not dated or named, whether it be people,
lace,
Hello Pene,
A name for a girl hedgehognot the classic ones. You have made me
reconsider my rather odd childhood!
This has set me to thinking. I lived ½ year in Alexandria, Virginia
(the old south) and ½ year in Sacramento, California (the Golden West)
from the time I was 3 until I was
Ah ! and here's another one... name her for Margaret Hamer
and call her Maggie!
Clay
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From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 4:27 AM
Subject: [lace-chat] Name for a girl hedgehog
I'm absolutely hopeless at
My mom is the family genealogy nut. You'd think someone who has boxes of
very old family photos with labels like Mother on them -- no date, no
name, no indication of *whose* mother -- would label her own photos, but no.
I'm one who obsessively labels my photographs with full names and dates. I
Disorder in the Court
These are from a book called Disorder in the Court, and are things
people
actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now published by
court reporters - who had the torment of staying calm while these
exchanges were actually taking place. Some of these are
I'm absolutely hopeless at naming animals. When a girl (Pauline Green) at
the stables where we kept our horses got a new animal and asked for
suggestions for a name, all I could come up with was Pea Green. It was
mottled grey and she finally settled on 'Chantilly Lace', Shanty for short.
I like
After our experience in January - keep copies of all your important photos
somewhere else - maybe just the negatives or scan them into a computer and
put them on a disc to safely store off site!
Jenny Rees
Canberra Australia
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