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David Douthitt wrote:
> > > From: Rick Onanian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > What I was
> > > saying above is, will blind people need the information they
> > > find at the LEAF website? What for? Can they build routers?
>
> How do you know that
Ray Olszewski wrote:
> In that case, I wonder why the initrd and other LRP-specific patches never
> made it into the kernel tree. They've been around long enough to have proved
> themselves as reliable code, so that presumably isn't it. What is the
> barrier? Anyone know (since it might affect any
Ray Olszewski wrote:
> >This thread is about creating web pages that are usable by blind
> >people and others.
>
> You've only discussed issues relating to blind people, so I wonder if you
> could expand a bit on the "others".
Well, how about people who don't have any money, and use lynx
on a 38
David Douthitt wrote:
> On 30 Nov 2000, at 8:43, Rick Onanian wrote:
> > Okay, speaking of that...do you suppose there's really a lot of
> > blind people who want to build linux routers?
>
> Ah, but we're not speaking of them are we? Only about people wanting
&g
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Rick,
> Did you get a chance to read the 7 page Taxonomy article in Embedded Linux
No, I'm a lazy-ass bastard...didn't you know? ;)
> Journal? It explains the tree pretty well. I came to my conclusion about
> kernel patches after reading the article a couple of times. Of cour
Mike Noyes wrote:
> >Okay, speaking of that...do you suppose there's really a lot of
> >blind people who want to build linux routers? Do blind people
> >have video cards that read them text, or just software? If it
> >was only software, I would say not to worry too much about them,
> >as they won'
Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
> Success!!! (At least I think so)
>
> I have a 2.4 kernel that boots into LRP (I get a login prompt and can login
> as root).
WooHoo!!! :)
> Of course none of the modules match the kernel version, so it's pretty
> useless right now...I'm compiling the required modul
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Not at all! The alt tags should be in place for our site. I believe that is
> what is required for blind users. Am I wrong? If so, please explain what is
> necessary for blind users, or point me to a page that will help. Thanks.
Well, this can be traced back to "make it look g
David Douthitt wrote:
> On the Win95 system, the disk is there and works well - except the
> system won't boot from PCMCIA, Linux requires a huge PCMCIA support
> and lots of funny-business, Win95 won't let LOADLIN run
>
> Why all of the grief? Win95 does it quite simply and easily. Isn't
>
Donovan Baarda wrote:
> > Is there an alternative media we can use (other than floppy) that is
> > ubiquitous enough and larger than floppy for a glibc 2.1 LEAF?
>
> I dunno about you guys, but I use etherboot to load the image off a tftp server
> on the network. The only size restriction is RAM,
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Disclaimer: This is just my view, and it's probably wrong.
These are all our own personal views; the same disclaimer applies.
> My interpretation of the taxonomy leads me to believe that once you start
> doing kernel patches you are creating an embedded distribution. I'm unsu
Donovan Baarda wrote:
> > I don't want to repeat the problems of the Q&A doc.
>
> Yeah... formats can be like religions...
Ah, but you missed our failed attempt. The problem wasn't that
any of us were loyal to a given format, but that there was no
format that all of us could figure out how to us
David Douthitt wrote:
> This thread is about creating web pages that are usable by blind
> people and others.
Okay, speaking of that...do you suppose there's really a lot of
blind people who want to build linux routers? Do blind people
have video cards that read them text, or just software? If it
Ray Olszewski wrote:
> >combo CD and floppy together. That might work...for those who
> >don't have a burner, somebody (me?) can burn & sell cheaply. ;)
>
> How realistic is this as an option? My guess is that it works at a very
> small scale (a few CDs per month), or on large scale (whatever vol
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Everyone,
> Note: I'm not a developer, so the following comments may be out of line.
Neither am I...but I'll give you my take on it.
> I think we're drifting from the purpose LEAF was started for. I thought we
> agreed that we weren't going to create an embedded distribution.
David Douthitt wrote:
> Is there an alternative media we can use (other than floppy) that is
> ubiquitous enough and larger than floppy for a glibc 2.1 LEAF?
Well, there's the problem: None is ubiquitous enough.
> Perhaps CDROM is the ticket, eh? Or perhaps LS-120 disks or Zip
> Disks...
CDROM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was going to help you with your site, but rick started doing one! now I
> can't help both! :)
I'm about satisfied with mine as a style demonstration. I might
try a couple other ideas I had, but I won't need much help (unless
you want to do that background... :-)
> >
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> no, please! don't say that! my only consern was not 'visual design', but
> funcional design, I'll try to explain: sometimes, when you design a page,
> tables don't align with each other, paragraphs are not indented, etc.. and
> thats when css has to be used. thats the ki
Pedro Barreto wrote:
> great! the simpler the better, that's what I was talking about.
>
> but... come on... do you really use lynx that once in a while?? I don't
> know about you but I don't use lynx for more than 2 years, there is always
> a better browser next pc ;)
I had used lynx about 35 m
David Douthitt wrote:
> > Most of us are talking, or at least thinking about, moving to
> > kernel 2.4.x [...]
>
> Anyone going to switch the firewalls to netfilter?
Want to give us a link?
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David Douthitt wrote:
> > no really, I was talking about tables, div's, span's, css, a
> > single css file, etc..
>
> Can we keep the web page Lynx-friendly? There are many who depend on
> programs like Lynx (especially the blind). Lynx is also present in
> almost every Linux installation - and
Mike Noyes wrote:
> I was talking about white space in the html code. Not the page itself. I
> still like my entry, but the code needs to be cleaned up (e.g. add
> comments, fix indents etc.).
Doh!
Hell, I can't say as I've ever seen whitespace so excessive that it
bothered me, in HTML code...
Mike Noyes wrote:
> At 11:13 AM 11/25/00 -0800, Evgeni Dobrev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >If you decide my experience would be beneficial to the LEAF project I
> >would be happy to contribute.
Welcome to the LEAF project!
> If no one objects, I'll add you to the LEAF developers. Do you have a
Mike Noyes wrote:
> White space is good. I'll use your suggestions to clean my entry up. I
White space is good, like everything else, in moderation and
used correctly. In the example Pedro showed us, I believe that
whitespace was used incorrectly, probably because the were too
lazy to make it wor
Eric Wolzak wrote:
> I tried to patch for initrd
> The patches for 2.2.16 can't be applied automatical because of
> some small changes. But most of them can be applied manual,
> what i did, but i encountered a problem in /drivers/block/rd.c
> there are two main changes __initfunc --> __init
> and
Eric Wolzak wrote:
> Hello
>
> I 'm sorry that my first post in this list is possible a stupid question,
Definately not. And a worthy cause, too.
> but i read all documentation i could find and searched google with
> no result.
Heh..you won't find this on google. You're forging a new road, her
Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
> This is pretty high on my list of 'TODOs'...I have a friend who's being
> IMHO, this would be the perfect project and appropriate time to turn LRP
> distributions from 'one-man-band' projects to a real open source, community
> driven project (ie I don't want to do al
Pedro Barreto wrote:
> do you like this site style?
> http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/p/doc.asp?id=29&iface=2
Only thing I don't like is how the text is pushed over to the side.
I know it's a result of having the links down the left; but I can
only imagine that this page must be difficult to read in
Eric Wolzak wrote:
> Hello Leaf-developers
>
> I want to offer help in writing documentation.
> As i am not that good at programming. I am relativ new to LRP
> (Leaf) 4 Month now, but reading a lot. This could be a good thing
> too, because i might see problems for newbies that a guru could
> ove
Does anybody here feel up to the task of getting a Linux 2.4
version going?
If we can build a Linux 2.4 firewall on a floppy, we will be
in ship shape. Doing so would greatly distinguish us from our
LRP roots, while furthering it's efforts greatly also.
A Linux 2.4 LEAF firewall-on-a-floppy wou
Mike Sensney wrote:
> I was thinking that it would be a good idea to invite Matthew in as a LEAF
> developer. He developed the mountain series. I personally would like to see
> him continue his development work if he is willing.
What gives you the idea that he would be willing? He wasn't
willing
Mike Noyes wrote:
> >but I have no idea what to put for content - the content
> >you've got at your example site looks about perfect, and
> >is formatted about perfectly too...so how do I compete?
> >Change the background color and logo that's used? ;)
>
> I thought we were looking at design conc
Mike Noyes wrote:
> At 08:45 AM 11/21/00 -0800, Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We now have a very simple home page available. Should I separate the logo
> submissions by author?
You already did. Looks good.
I'm going to attempt to create at
http://www.c0wz.com/leaf/
but I have no idea
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Ok, that brings up the next question. Does anyone else have a home page
Mike, I think you're the only one doing anything on it, here. :-/
I can't even imagine a concept that I like better than what you've
done, which is why I've not bothered. I'm sure everybody else has
their
Mike Noyes wrote:
> BTW, do you think it's time to call for a vote on the submitted logos, or
> should we wait until after the holiday?
I think it should be part of the vote for the winning page; when
we decide that, we can either decide to keep whatever logo is in
use on the sample page, or vote
Boy, was I out of it yesterday...I hadn't the attention span to
deal with a single message all day.
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Everyone,
> I just updated my home page entry to include individual developer pages.
> Is this idea any good?
I think so; but it would take a while to get used to before anyb
David Douthitt wrote:
>
> text text text
> text text text
> -here-
>
>
> Voila! All of your text formatting is preserved, line breaks and ALL.
That's a nice HTML trick; I've seen it before and forgotten about it.
Thanks for reminding me!
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Mike Noyes wrote:
> V.90 isn't bad. I still remember downloading multiple megabyte files from
> Hawaii at 300 baud.
Egads! I barely ever touched megabyte-size on my 2400... but I
suppose that's because I never would have succeeded - my sister
was likely to pick up the phone and hit buttons until
Mike Noyes wrote:
> No, I just didn't get it. :(
Bummer.
> I think Charles tried to clue me in too, by mentioning rsync, and I still
> didn't get it. Petty dense. I didn't understand that when I ssh into SF I
> have almost as much control as on my local workstation.
Yeah, they give you a real s
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Next time I do something that brain dead, pick up the nearest clue stick
I think I mentioned it to you, and you told me why it wouldn't work.
Maybe since then, it's started working for you.
> and... I wasted your time and mine needlessly. I can think of a lot of
> things that
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Thanks! Boy do I feel stupid! I could've done this myself. I can use my ssh
> connection to SF and use their bandwidth to download stuff to the leaf
> anonymous ftp dir, and then put them on download.sourceforge.net . I just
> did this with the LRP 2.9.8 source, and got a ftp t
Done.
Mike Noyes wrote:
>
> Rick,
> Would you care to try this one more time? This time just upload:
>
> ELD_Eiger-3.1.0a_src_Eiger-router.tar.bz2
>
> If I can successfully release it, I'll ask you to upload the other three
> files. Thanks.
>
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> http://sou
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Rick,
> Would you care to try this one more time? This time just upload:
>
> ELD_Eiger-3.1.0a_src_Eiger-router.tar.bz2
Upload started.
> If I can successfully release it, I'll ask you to upload the other three
> files. Thanks.
No prob. :)
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Mike Noyes wrote:
> I found an earth mbone representation that I like. I'm not happy with the
> brick fill on Tux's midsection, so I'm going to try a texture map.
The brick fill itself looks good to me, but the border between it
and the black of Tux is too obvious.
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Mike Noyes wrote:
> I just scp a new logo to:
> ftp://leaf.sourceforge.net/pub/leaf/logo/tuxnet-leaflogo1.png
>
> Let me know which of my logos you prefer.
I must choose between incredibly cool and incredibly cool? ;)
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/leaf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> no, it is on my bookmarks! and all of the pages are read! :)
You should publish your bookmarks, then. ;)
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Pedro Barreto wrote:
>logo3-4_F.jpgType: JPEG Image (image/jpeg)
Could we get the background from this? It might look cool tiled
as the background to the whole page...
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Mike Sensney wrote:
> I personally don't mind attachments, regardless of size. (I love my DSL.)
> If no one objects, I'd say raise the limit to at least 100K.
100k is no problem; I'd say even 200k would be tolerable on even
the slowest connexions...but that's my opinion.
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Pedro Barreto wrote:
> I'm posting one logo I've been working on the last weekends, and the
> cleaned up version of the small simple logo (since you don't find it horrible).
> pedro
>logo3-4_F.jpgType: JPEG Image (image/jpeg)
Whoa! That, sir, is fscking awesome!
In addition to the other
Mike Noyes wrote:
> It was distorted. I just changed the code below, and removed the height
> attribute. The image is no longer distorted.
I still like the previous logo better for that spot. The
clover looks great, but it doesn't look right when it's
there. What about using the LEAF stamp logo t
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Everyone,
> Do these Debian security advisories affect us?
Current LRP and LRP-derived systems don't use tcsh or BIND,
for the most part. Anybody using BIND should be eyeing it
at all times, due to it's insecure reputation, also.
I don't think we should worry too much about s
Mike Noyes wrote:
> >http://users.owt.com/msensney/leaf/
> You can see it in context at:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~pnoyes/leaf/
Nope, no sir...can't say as I like it.
I don't like it that way in that context. It looks like it's
been distorted too, stretched horizontally more than
vertically.
Two Mikes talking to eachother hurts. Can't one of you be Mique or
something?
Mike Noyes wrote:
> At 09:44 PM 11/13/00 -0800, Mike Sensney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I made a four leaf clover graphic in 2 sizes you might want to look at and
> >make suggestions about.
> >
> >http://users.owt.
Mike Sensney wrote:
> I made a four leaf clover graphic in 2 sizes you might want to look at and
> make suggestions about.
> http://users.owt.com/msensney/leaf/
It's cute, and I think it would be a nice supplemental graphic/logo.
Does it scale down well to very small sizes?
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Mike Noyes wrote:
> Thanks, but I didn't have to do much. I just chopped out code from the
> project summary page. The spelling errors are now corrected. If you see
> anymore let me know.
Sounds like how I got lrp.c0wz.com from www.linuxrouter.org.. ;)
> The text is still under construction. If
Mike Noyes wrote:
> I've an Alfa quality Leaf home page available for preview at:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~pnoyes/leaf/
>
> Please, let me know what you think.
Well, before letting it out of alpha, you'd have to work on
your spelling a bit, but...looks great! :)
People might not know what a
To the tune of 'how much is that doggy in the window'
How much is that packet in the window?
The one with the TCP header...
[insert next couple lines here]
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David Douthitt wrote:
> > > Changes in 1.49:
>
> > > * SYSLINUX: Default installer binary now compiled against
> > > glibc 2.1. If this is inappropriate for your system and you
> > > still want to use the offical version of SYSLINUX, please
> > > follow the instructions in "distrib.doc" to
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Rick,
> Thanks. I just tarballed the SF linuxrouter site. You can download it from:
> ftp://linuxrouter.sourceforge.net/pub/linuxrouter/
> linuxrouter-cvsroot.tar.gz
> linuxrouter.tar.gz
Grabbing a copy now.
> Unless you have any objections, I'm going to request archival of
>
Finished.
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Would you upload the source for Eiger to download.sourceforge.net? I was
> unable to release the previous uploads. Note: I changed the name prefix to
> "ELD" from "old".
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Pedro Barreto wrote:
> both gifs are a simple crappy logo, but with such a simple logo the layout
> for the site is much easier and flexible.
>
> don't be afraid to say it sucks :)
I like it. It's got just about everything I would like in a logo;
it's definately got everything I can reasonably a
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Thank you! I'll try not to mess up this time.
Don't worry about it...I have the files on my box, so I just
have to put them, which requires next to zero effort. :)
> Please let me know when the uploads are complete.
We're at 30% of the first big file, for a total of 15% comp
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Canned Response
> ID Title
> 100167 Linux Router Project
> Please direct all bug reports for Linux Router Project (LRP) releases to
> Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .
This should point to the LRP-dev list, not Dave's email addy.
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Mike Noyes wrote:
> Rick,
> Would you upload the source for Eiger to download.sourceforge.net? I was
> unable to release the previous uploads. Note: I changed the name prefix to
> "ELD" from "old".
The upload is started. Ought to be done in a few hours or less.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> no, they trust the server's mime.types config file.
>
> the web admin, should add the 'img' extension/string to the
> 'application/octet-stream' entry on the mime.types
Please, people, while in this discussion, keep in mind that
we're talking about FTP, not HTTP.
Look
Ray Olszewski wrote:
> >However, it would be important to know how web browsers choose
> >binary or ASCII for FTPing. I would guess that they do it
> >based on their own mime-type list.
>
> This has been discussed again and again back on the LRP list. Neither of the
> major browsers does what you
Can we please have Reply-to munging on? I just sent this to the LRP
list...force of habit, automatic pilot, absent-mindedness, whatever...
Ray Olszewski wrote:
> Just to be clear, Rick ... my experience compiling kernels (pretty much
> limited to 2.0.36, 2.2.13, and 2.2.17 ... but I can't imagin
Ray Olszewski wrote:
> >Until proven otherwise, I would assume the default ftp download would be
> >binary. This may bite me later.
>
> It's already "bit" us, I think.
>
> Isn't my report from yesterday a valid counter-example to your assumption?
> Surely Sourceforge didn't *explicitly* make the
Eiger source has completed uploading
to ftp://download.sourceforge.net/incoming.
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David Douthitt wrote:
> Another question: if I take module X from system X with kernel A, and
> move module X to system Z with kernel A (same version kernel), is
> this going to work assuming that system X and system Z are binary-
> compatible?
Kernel modules are more flexible than we give them c
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Ok, but I was referring to the original upload that was released on the LRP
> SF site. You didn't flake, because this is the first request I sent for
> upload assistance.
No, really, I'm sure you asked me to do it again since the original
upload, after leaf started. Okay, anyw
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Rick,
> I hate to ask you to do this again, but would you upload the source for
> Eiger to download.sourceforge.net?
Don't hate asking me to do it again..sometimes I flake and you
have to remind me. That goes for everyone who asks me to do
things...if it doesn't get done promp
Mike Noyes wrote:
> We discussed this possibility when the problem came up on the LRP SF site.
> I didn't try to upload a .htaccess file to download.sourceforge.net, so it
> may work. For now I'm just going to upload the files again with the .bin
> extension. It's a more consistent way to designat
David Douthitt wrote:
> On 2 Nov 2000, at 15:24, Mike Noyes wrote:
>
> > Are the packages in lrp.c0wz.com/files/packages/ddout/incoming
> > directory ready for prime time?
>
> As far as I know. I didn't put them there :)
Hey, I didn't make 'em. ;)
> I think Rick got tired of trying to keep up
Ray Olszewski wrote:
> 1. The extension .ima (as in Oxygen_2000_img_extras.ima) is not recognized
> by the Sourceforge Web server as binary; neither is .img (as in
> EigerStein_contrib_img_pppoe-beta0.2.img). In both instance, my Netscape on
> Windows tries to display it as text. You might want to
David Douthitt wrote:
> > What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I had all sorts of bad and
> > good experiences, but I enjoyed the challenge always.
>
> Bah. I LIKED DOS. simple, not quite elegant :) Now we have all
> these confounded DLLs, font folders that act funny, and programming
>
Mike Noyes wrote:
> Rick,
> It looks like you sent this to the wrong list.
Aw, crap...automatic reflex.
Now there's the perfect argument for making the list fix the reply-to
automatically; this isn't the first time I've done that. I erase the
origianl sender's name from the "To:", and replace it
Per Gustav Ousdal wrote:
> > above. ;) My own experience started with a Packard Bell in 1992. My
> > original experience started in DOS.
>
> Boy! And you still use computers? I mean that didn't put you off ;)
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I had all sorts of bad and
good experiences,
I'm subscribed.
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