Re: First try at Ornamental turning

Hey Curt, Thanks for sharing that. Brings back some memories and now I need to go out and do something with the wave attachment. Very interesting concept for sure and enjoy playing around with it. Again thanks, Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foresto

First try at Ornamental turning

Hello This in Not a Legacy video, but one that I found on You Tube. You can see, in watching this video his set-up is very much like our Wave attachment. (of a matter of course, The OT world had it first, We copied the idea, But we had our version beforehe had his.) ;-)  I enjoy watching his ver

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

> > You are SO accomodating! > > Go ahead - keep the change! > > Mac > -- > -- > > -Original Message- > From: > Sent: Apr 29, 2022 1:39 PM > To: LOM Group > Subject: Re: Introduction to Ornamen

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

Tim, You are SO accomodating! Go ahead - keep the change! Mac -Original Message- From: Sent: Apr 29, 2022 1:39 PM To: LOM Group Subject: Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks   Yeah I'm supposing we could do 50-50 Mac, 50% from you right pocket 50% from your left p

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22 at 10:45 AM M.W.Foscue wrote: > When Tim sent the email out - I thought he was wanting to get the rest of > us to join him - signing up for the class(es) that that ornamental turning > group was promoting. LoL! > > And, Tim was not volunteering to pay our tuition if we were joini

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

When Tim sent the email out - I thought he was wanting to get the rest of us to join him - signing up for the class(es) that that ornamental turning group was promoting.  LoL!   And, Tim was not volunteering to pay our tuition if we were joining him. LoL!   I MAY have misunderstood that aspect

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

> > Lol you guys my legacys are the first machine as you walk in the door too > first and second on the left > > On the right is my table saw, > > > > Bill > > > > *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < > legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

:09 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks   Good Idea on moving the Legacy out where you walk by it regularly.    I am still finishing up the full renovation at my daughters place so my workshop has yet to receive some much needed attent

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

ence is something that draws me to the OT/OM > look. > > Thanks Tim for sharing. > > > > C.A.G. > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2022, 08:06:34 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler < > timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Just something to share. > > Cu

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

e can do. They are nicely formed and somewhat different from what you >> see every day. That difference is something that draws me to the OT/OM >> look. >> Thanks Tim for sharing. >> >> C.A.G. >> >> On Thursday, April 28, 2022, 08:06:34 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler

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@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks Good Idea on moving the Legacy out where you walk by it regularly. I am still finishing up the full renovation at my daughters place so my workshop has yet to receive some much needed attention as well as my Legacy

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

gt; >>> >>> Just something to share. >>> Curt I know your big about this type of lathe. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Timothy J. Ziegler >>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >>> 14171 160th Ave. >>> Forest

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

> > However - did you look at the co$t for that one cla$$?!? > > Heck - that money will buy you a brand new Ice Fi$hing $helter, and then > some! > > > > Mac > -- > -- > > -Original Message- >

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

Tim,   Thanks for sharing. However - did you look at the co$t for that one cla$$?!? Heck - that money will buy you a brand new Ice Fi$hing $helter, and then some!   Mac -Original Message- From: Sent: Apr 28, 2022 10:53 AM To: LOM Group Subject: Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

Ziegler > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > 14171 160th Ave. > Foreston MN 56330 > > 320-294-5798 shop > 320-630-2243 cell > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: *Plumier Foundation* > Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 6:40 AM > Subject: Introduction to

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

; Curt I know your big about this type of lathe. > > Kind Regards, > > Timothy J. Ziegler > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty > 14171 160th Ave. > Foreston MN 56330 > > 320-294-5798 shop > 320-630-2243 cell > > > -- Forwarded message - > From:

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Work & Specialty > 14171 160th Ave. > Foreston MN 56330 > > 320-294-5798 shop > 320-630-2243 cell > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: *Plumier Foundation* > Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 6:40 AM > Subject: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Week

Re: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell -- Forwarded message - From: Plumier Foundation Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 6:40 AM Subject: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks

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2022 at 6:40 AM Subject: Introduction to Ornamental Turning in Two Weeks To: Join us for a class. Greetings! Join Us!! We’re just two weeks away from our first formal class, Introduction to Ornamental Turning, May 13-15. We've set up an Eventbrite page to sign up. Sign Up Here <https:/

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

soo… driving home in my daily ritual of an hour and a half, parking lot crawl, thinking of this mod, of course... and it suddenly dawned on me that it would not be possible to "pump" the router cutting action AND follow a template... and that only straight, cylindrical work could be "pump" c

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

hey Tim!... hex shaft was the direction I was considering... getting the shaft is easy( 22 mm, McMaster... just .009ths smaller than 7/8") but getting the brass, flanged "carriers" is a big problem... seems the only place to get them is a Japanese company... their only US rep is some huge aero

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

A hex shaft could work as well.  Even two shaft clamps on a round shaft would work.  I know from error that a single shaft on the leadscrew is very prone to slipping! Another thing you have possibly not considered is phasing the cuts.  By rotating the cam on the shaft you can get different sta

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Hello and Good morning .There was a video put out a few years ago on Oval turning, (I know its not the same.but a lot of the details that he did were WOW! in the OT since.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4c_yFmaHso&t=7s   Forster Giesmann results are things of beauty that I one day would like

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Hey Tim!... thanks for the reply!... a response and some ideas to consider... the design I seem to be considering will always be in place, ready to be used, with minimal time to setup... the hex spindle being considered would always be in its position of above and forward of the Legacy lead scr

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

I've done pumping on the legacy before, but was not satisfied with the amount of time it took to setup and make changes.  It was all done on the rotary table, but could also work wrapping around a cylinder.  The method used where cams cut on a cnc and added to the leadscrew.  I used a spring set

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

I've done pumping on the legacy before, but was not satisfied with the amount of time it took to setup and make changes.  It was all done on the rotary table, but could also work wrapping around a cylinder.  The method used where cams cut on a cnc and added to the leadscrew.  I used a spring set

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

thanks to all for their comments, compliments, encouragement, etc. ... Hey Tim!... not sure if I am interpreting your comment correctly... what I am saying in my previous post, is that I do not intend to convert the Legacy into a rose engine machine... they certainly are two very different piec

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

ntal Mills wrote: >just a couple of points that I would like to make... I have been a fan >of >ornamental turning for many years... joined the society, went to the >symposiums(not for several years though), etc and always have had a > >very high admiration of the work and ar

RE: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

about. Happy Holidays, Michael K From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:55 AM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video just a couple of poi

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

just a couple of points that I would like to make... I have been a fan of ornamental turning for many years... joined the society, went to the symposiums(not for several years though), etc and always have had a very high admiration of the work and artistry that was produced, although a bit

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

t really did not peek my interest... and that too, has now been discontinued... obviously, there just was not enough interest in ornamental turning to sustain these pieces of equipment, and for the same reasons, Legacy pulled the plug as well... but that's another story... thanks for the inf

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Good morning, I must say I have not seen much of this *Rose Engine Lathe* until I recently joined your forum. With my recent acquiring of the *WoodChuck* and getting to know a couple of you guys quite well. This has become a very interesting piece of History for me. I have been fascinated by th

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Hey Joe!Neat ideas. I cant wait to see your mock-up. By the way? have you seen these web sites?http://bicitywoodturners.com/newsletters/articles/Rose_Engine.pdf   The modern rose. https://teknatool.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/1976497-nova-ornamental-turner  Nova OT. http://orn

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Hey Curt!... thanks for the reference, and that is the company I mentioned in the previous post... I had exchanged several emails with the owner of the company... nice person, answered all of my questions and sometimes that does not happen when dealing with other companies... but it's all good..

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Hello Joe (and everyone else reading here.) I know we are con pairing,  Apples- Roses ;-p  but this web site, has some neat things to look at. Not only the machine but perhaps some of the parts, (and perhaps just looking at the way it works? might help.) Mandala Rose Engine  | | | | Mandal

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

here is a photo I found on the web of a cluster of wave pattern wheels... imagine a set up like this for this Legacy mod... the hex rod that I posted previously, traversing through the center of these wheels... those brass carriers, also posted, with the flange, locking the cluster together and

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

at ease!... AT EASE!... let's step back from this for a moment!... LOL!... first comes some very important design considerations... would first need to know what might be the diameter of the "wave" discs... as the size of the piece you are working on increases, I would think the diameter of the

RE: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Looks great Joe! Let us know when you finish it! J Patrick From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 2:04 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video well, spent some time on the computer

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

hey Curt!... Bill's setup is an excellent setup/attachment for the Legacy... and the cable idea is interesting... the Sears router/crafter works with a similar design, a cable that takes linear motion and transfers it to a rotational motion... the cable would need to be quite long and there wou

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

well, spent some time on the computer... it's a bit crazy and complex out there in regards to splined shafts and linear bearings... with all the 3D printers and other equipment using linear motion, it's a problem(at least it is for me!...LOL!) to sort through it all... but I did find something

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

hey Patrick!... well you nailed it, as far as the solution that I was considering... splined shaft, length of the bed, perhaps a sprocket and chain setup down to the lead screw to give it rotational action, and a "wave" disc that could move along the splined shaft, with the carriage, as it trav

RE: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

issues. I’m curious, what are you planning to mill that would need both vertical and horizontal wave patterns? Patrick From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 5:50 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: ornamental turning on a rose en

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Hello Everyone.When trying to make more OT looking cuts with the Legacy, we have a few problems, as a matter of fact the Legacy's strongest point is also its weakest ONE, "the lead screw". Most OT machines do not use one.(but having said that,)I have had some good results with the Legacy and ma

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Curt and myself have been thinking about the options to create rose engines cuts for a very long time.  So long that I bought a mdf rose engines myself to get on with actually doing the work!  More on this later. On Dec 6, 2018, 2:49 PM, at 2:49 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wro

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

hey Pat!... can I assume that in your variation, the router carriage is stationary without the ability to slide along the bed?... I would need the carriage to move along the X axis so various "pump" action cuts could be done along a spiral of some sort... so the pumping action needs to be in mo

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Combining several ideas: Use a variation of Tim's wave attachment (https://groups.google.com/d/msg/legacy-ornamental-mills/gsFab9dTSr8/h15dZQFqwEMJ) Run the lever up to a plate on a jack-shaft instead of the leadscrew. Connect the jack-shaft to a chain-driven Z axis (no leadscrews on Z) You'll nee

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

hey Curt!... not surprised you have thought of this mod in the past... from what I can tell, you seem to always have "Legacy" on your mind!... LOL!... anyway, I would think the "pumping" action of the z axis would be better if it was in-and-out, rather than up-and-down... an in-and-out motion wo

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

okay, driving home last night(1 3/4 hours!), came to the conclusion that a long length of a "wave" pattern for the z axis is not going to work... it would work when doing spindles, but not when the z axis was stationary and indexed cuts were desired... and to consider having one set of "rosettes

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Hello guys!this has been one of the pet "dream projects" for a long time. Joe I think your counter weighted Z Axis just might be a good call for getting a Z axis/ Rosetta follower to work on the Legacy.  The problems that Ive run into is weight,and or gravity of the Z axis and the Rosetta's. Kee

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

heading home now Mike, so I don't have much time to respond here, right now... but I will say if there is even the slightest chance of a "slip" in the timing and coordination of all that is happening with all of those pulleys, I would not feel comfortable doing a job a possibly having it ruined

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Z-axis will have it's own pattern to follow plunging in and out using a separate gear motor drive with speed control.  The same drive action that turns the rose pattern will also be geared to drive the carriage along the acme screw.  The carriage will crawl down the rod of it's own power that w

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

hey Mike... that's an interesting idea... but I want to be sure I am understanding it correctly... are you saying that you would clamp a pattern of some sort, that would have a repeating "wave" type cut along it's entire length(presumably the full length of what that Legacy could fit between ce

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Those are all good points I would not be trying to move the centers.  What I would do is give the pumping, pattern following motion to the z axis.  Then I would have a "walker" that would be able to use the acme threaded rod as a way to continue the pattern down a long length.  So for just som

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

hi Curt and Tom... Curt, you are correct... it was the MADE lathe that I saw in the video and when I viewed the website I saw the pricing info... ouch!... and Tom, totally agree... a lot of what is there is totally for looking, much like a Holzapfel is today... not to insult those that actually

RE: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Behalf Of Tom Dotta Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2018 6:09 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video Hi Joe Curt Tim & Bill Your mention of ornamental machines and high costs, which are surely there for the best of the

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Hi Joe Curt Tim & Bill Your mention of ornamental machines and high costs, which are surely there for the best of the best which are so drop dead gorgeous and rare they justify the price if only to admire. I think of them as works of art surely on a par with some of the old masters which no one ex

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

Hello Joe.Awesome video. the Made lathe is most likely what you saw,   https://madelathe.com/  This the lathe for the Kings! (Way above my price range!)https://lindowmachineworks.com/ Makes a cheaper model. (Not cheap, but cheaper then the Made lathe.)   NEAT STUFF ! I am glad you are well.talk

Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

been playing on the computer today, researching the rose engine lathe... updating myself on the one company(it seems!) that makes a rose engine lathe... and nearly fell over when I saw the price(and not sure if it is an updated price!)… $83,500 ! … and you could easily spend another $50,000

ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

https://www.facebook.com/interestingengineering/videos/1567378136665218/ … saw this excellent video on facebook today and thought I would share... nothing new, as I am sure most, if not all, of us have seen a rose engine lathe in operation before... of course, it all starts with having the right

Re: Ornamental turning

I wish I was in Portland OR. but there is No way possible that I will  be able to see this. If you are going Micheal Please take notes and let us know what you think. Perhaps something can be addapted for our Ornamental Milling prospective ...? C.A.G. On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 8:46 AM, M

Ornamental turning

For those on the west coast, something for your interest: