Can someone explain this lumpers and splitters thing ;-)
Glenny
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Serving the goat community with quality affordable web sites since 1998
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From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Legacy E-Mail List LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent:
What do any of you think of Gen Smarts?
Also, I have myself in a bit of a quandary. I know there is so much more to
this program than I have been using. But I am unsure about entering certain
things but really want to keep moving with adding the info I have on paper.
Thinking ab out buying
Hi Beau,
I agree that unless you have heaps of time to do double entry, just
add your documents carefully as Sources in Legacy. Use the File ID
and the Source reports to see what you have.
I use the Clooz method of numbering my documents, sorting them into
Source type and then giving them
Glenny,
Go to Help and search for File ID Number Assistant. BTW the Help button on the
various screens gives context help for that screen.
Ron Ferguson
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I have used GenSmarts some, but now that I am getting the hang of the Research
Guidance feature in Legacy, I find that I use GenSmarts less.
I have some of the training videos and have found them extremely helpful. I am
hoping to get the others soon. As far as entering sources, we have been
Hi All,
I have been 'off list' for a while so I apologise if this subject has been
raised already.
I am about to purchase a new lap top and am unsure whether to get Vista as the
operating system or not.
Is there are problems with using Legacy with Vista. I know a number of
friends have
I have never used the File ID numbers. Please correct me if I am wrong on
this... The File ID is a number you attach to your SOURCES so that you can
find them in your files? For example, the marriage license of a particular
couple would have a unique number and based on that number you could
I use Legacy with Vista and haven't had the first problem.
michele
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Frederick H. Whitley, Jr wrote:
For me, your message was the first time I heard of 'training
video's'. I learn very well with this media. May I ask that you share
information as to the focus of these learning aids and sources to acquire
same. Please? Thank you. FRED in PA
See the
Michele,
You are correct. However, I would appreciate some clarification of your last
paragraph as I do not know the Family History Library system. I would have
thought that each individual piece of paper work still have a unique reference
and it is than unique reference which would
I may not be able to speak to some of the finer details of using Legacy yet but, I've been using Legacy 6 with Vista Home Premium for a number of months without great issue for general use.
I also use a laptop and back-up my files to a USB thumb drive every day and back it up every week.
The only
I've had virtually no trouble using Legacy in conjunction with Vista. Those who
do should check out the information concerning this matter on the Legacy home
page (available directly from the program itself, along with information about
the training discs.)
Tom
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In a nutshell, your filing system is divided into 4 colors (maternal
grandmother's line, maternal grandfather's line, paternal grandmother's
line, paternal grandfather's line). Under each color (you use colored file
folders) you just alphabetize your surnames in your direct lines. In each
Timothy,
It seems to me that since you do not shut your lap-top down the runtime errors
are probably related to a memory problem rather than anything else. I leave my
Windows PC on 24/7 and after 3 or 4 days have similar problems - like you I
reboot.
Ron Ferguson
Personally, I think all of the videos should be mandatory. I learned so
much with the videos and I don't regret for a second buying them.
michele
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The videos are a great investment.
Anytime you have forgotten something you can slip in the video and refresh your
memory. And viewing them once a month or so will also let you catch what you
may have missed the last time you saw it.
**Almost** all of the questions asked on this board are on
Ron,
Here is some more info...
In each couple file you will put a family group sheet as well as all
documents regarding that couple. You can also put a research log and
correspondence log in there as well. So, when you are working on a
particular couple you can just pull their file and you
Ron,
Thanks for clarifying that. I didn't mean to imply that Legacy was causing the problem.
I agree with you that the problem is most likely memory related. My primary use for this laptop is Lagacy and I included the whole of my experience as I would expect others might have similar practices.
I used to use Clooz, however I have found that Legacy can handle all of the
documents the same way that Clooz does and your documents are linked to
every individual mentioned in the document. For example, if I enter in a
death certificate for John Q Ancestor, I transcribe the entire document into
Don't understand mandatory in this context. I learned much from daily
use and experimentation.
Randy
At 08:54 AM 1/3/2008, you wrote:
Personally, I think all of the videos should be mandatory. I
learned so much with the videos and I don't regret for a second buying them.
michele
It may be true that there are 150 questions, answers and respnses in the
archives, and I read them all, but I for one do not understand the
differences.
Elizabeth C
Alan Eade wrote:
Glenny, this topic was exhausted between August and October 2007 -
please read the archives:
Hello Randy,
Mandatory is a strong word, but different folk learn with
various learning styles. I am totally unfamiliar with Legacy, AND most other
genealogy systems. Experimentation for me usually spells disaster! Video
sounds like an excellent learning tool to me.
I have the latest version of V6 (build 168) and have noticed an issue if I
try to run Legacy from my laptop when I've forgotten to shut down the
program with the same data file on my desktop. The database is stored on the
desktop and both machines are running Vista.
If the database is open on the
Elizabeth,
I will give it to you in a nutshell :)
A lumper is someone who would enter a marriage certificate this way...
The source would be Marriage License
Then in the DETAILS you would record something like
Lamar County, Mississippi marriage license #3005, Book C, page 42, 11 Dec 1910,
John
Hello,
I need to replace the Swedish cryptic county symbols with full names of the
counties.
An example is:
In BORN field the date and place is presently-- 14 Oct 1872, Harstad, (E)
I want to replace it with-- 14 Oct 1872, Harstad, Östergötland län, Sweden
I also want ALL instances of (E) to
Randy,
Believe me, I learned tons by just playing around with the program but the
videos show you some shortcuts and tricks that you probably wouldn't figure out
on your own. As a matter of fact, in the tips video there are several things
in there that are NOT in the help file :)
michele
Elizabeth,
The terms relate to how one sources information. For example let us look at
censuses.
1) A lumper:
Will have one master source (perhaps for each country, perhaps for each year)
and put all other references in the Source Detail.
2) A Splitter:
May have a Master Source for each
If you have difficulty with Microsoft Word under Vista, give OpenOffice
a try at http://www.openoffice.org/ - it is a complete suite of
programs, similar to Microsoft Office and will read and write Office
formatted files. It is free, too, which folks like. I have installed
it on my
Mandatory Ridiculous!
___
Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada
- Original Message -
From: Michele Lewis
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] While we are discussing add ons
Fred,
I see a few people have answered already, but here is a little more. There was
an article in the Sept. Legacy News about the videos:
http://legacynews.typepad.com/legacy_news/2007/09/index.html
(scroll down and you will find it)
You can also watch previews of them from the Legacy site:
All,
I've recently updated my personal website using Legacy.
I'm now interested in adding a search engine feature to the opening page
(Index.html).
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Earlier today, I added the Google Custom Search to the opening Index.html
page. It works, but it's not as robust
Certainly!
I already put the link in another email but some of the email takes time to
get through.
Here it is...
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1Aid=Gid=Lid=Sid=Did=Juris1=Event=Year=Gloss=Sub=Tab=Entry=Guide=ALL_REF_DOC_-_Organizing_Paper_Files.ASP
michele
For information on running Legacy under Vista, please go to our website at
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/helpWindowsVista.asp.
Vista has quite a learning curve and if you have any older programs that you
want to run, you may find that they won't run correctly, if at all, under
Vista. I'm
Hi Mike,
Many thanks for your time and efforts. Stay well. FRED in PA, USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Fry
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] While
Thank you very much for the answer. I think I use a combination.
Elizabeth C
Michele Lewis wrote:
Elizabeth,
I will give it to you in a nutshell :)
A lumper is someone who would enter a marriage certificate this way...
The source would be Marriage License
Then in the DETAILS you
Here is my problem with a file numbers system, if you need all the documents
for one person or for a married couple, it will take you quite a bit of time
to look up all the numbers you need in Legacy and then go to your filing
system to pull all the documents and you still might miss one or
Timothy,
I use XP (stay here as long as possible), how do you put the laptop to Sleep?
After waiting long enough it works sometimes, but most of the time it stays on
the screensaver.
If I can put it to sleep I can continue next day on the same screens I found on
internet.
Thanks for your
This would be a standard Windows/OperatingSysemissue. This would cause a sharing violation as most programs are not designed to run multiple instances of the same file. Subsequent instances should be read only. Legacy isapparently made to access a single instance of each database. You would need
Hi All,
That is one of the great things about Legacy - it is so flexiable.
Michelle, you have mentioned one method of filing, there are others and
probably some people use a combination of filing methods.
As I am in Australia and a lot of my research is Australian based, my filing
system is
Sherry, you wrote:
I'm passing on a bunch of programs that I can't even get installed!
What exaxtly do you mean by that?
Tom
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From: Sherry/Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: RE:
Hi Nancy,
I Thank you for your time and efforts. I realize I have much to
learn. Eh? Stay well. FRED in PA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy
Bender
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:53 AM
To:
I think what Michelle means is that if the videos were mandatory and users
used them, a lot of the questions posted here would prove unneccesary.
Tom
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From: Wayne Martell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008
Tku Michele for an explanation which I, at last, have understood. I have been
following the topic since the beginning but could never quite grasp who was
doing what so in the end I just ignored the subject. NOW, out of all the
previous explanations - I understand - and find I am a splitter!!
Hi Michele,
I have never see Legacy information. Are these tapes available
through that company? Any tape 'overview' would be helpful. Thank you, and
stay well. FRED in PA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele
Lewis
Sent:
Jim wrote I need to replace the Swedish cryptic county symbols with full names
of the
counties.
Jim,
In Family View, go to ViewMaster ListsLocation
Find the Location you wish to change
Click Edit
Make the change
click Save
A screen will advise you that the SAVE action will affect all
I have recently purchased Custodian and of course use Legacy but now I
am wondering do I really need Custodian.
I would be interested in the views of others please ?
Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney.
Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow
Wexford
GOON
I thought I was a lumper but I dont do it anything like this
I do not
group by family or country but by the sources themselves. Also, I never
source in general terms like: marriage licence, birth certificate, death
certificate
the particular source is always named and sourced individually.
At last a very clear description - than you so much Michele.
You really are very good at explaining things.
Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney.
Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow
Wexford
GOON member No: 4825 for CULLODEN HIGGINSON
-Original
Hello Sandy - my main use of my computer is Legacy and I was also hesitant
to change over, however I had NO problems at all, it works for me exactly as
it did on Windows XP.
Good Luck.
June
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sandy Quinn
Sent: Thursday,
All,
I've recently updated my personal website using Legacy.
I'm now interested in adding a search engine feature to the opening page
(Index.html).
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Earlier today, I added the Google Custom Search to the opening Index.html
page. It works, but it's not as robust
Hi Donald,
I use FreeFind, which you get from http://www.freefind.com
Seems to work pretty well for me, and has great support if you need it.
Dan Bateham
- Original Message -
From: Donald DeZarn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03,
I have several programs on CD that won't install or run under Vista. I
might be able to find a newer version, but I'm not sure I want to spend the
$$ on them.
I'm passing them on to the thrift shop for people who are still on earlier
versions of Windows!
However, Legacy v6 and v7 will run under
There are two ways to add a search engine.
1. You have cgi-bin access on the server and can install perl or php
scripts. Example:
http://www.thefreecountry.com/perlscripts/searchengines.shtml
2. You can't install a search engine, so you need a hosted search service.
Example:
Fred,
They're CDs, not video tapes. You can find a list of them along with
previews at http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Videos.asp.
Thanks for using Legacy.
Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
We are changing the world of genealogy!
Sandy Quinn wrote:
Hi All,
I have been 'off list' for a while so I apologise if this subject has
been raised already.
I am about to purchase a new lap top and am unsure whether to get
Vista as the operating system or not.
Is there are problems with using Legacy with Vista. I know a
The original poster asked for viability with Legacy and Vista which is met
and was stated as the primary purpose for their purchase consideration.
This is getting off-topic.
There are way too many variables for consideration to make blanket
statements for or against a particular Operating System.
Hi Jim,
You can't replace globally through every field.
You can get a better understanding of the way Legacy stores data.
You appear to be wanting to change the location.
Change the location and you change all the
sentences it is used in. It is irrelevant whether
it is used for a birth or a
I have been using Clooz for several years and have found it to be a great
help. I use it mainly for Census data and for the other stuff and people
found during research.
Many times there are documents and people that you think may be relevant to
your research but you are not sure. In this
Although your question is within the etiquette for this UG,
there is a more specific group that might be helpful.
You might be interested in joining this yahoo group:
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/WUL/
Description
The Group is a self-help group for genealogists wishing to
Carol,
Re your comment about the English 1841 census. Before you upset 3/4 of the UK
may I point out that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are
countries in their own right and indeed, whilst England and Wales held the 1841
census on the same date, Scotland and Northern Ireland (I
Guido,
Ask me your Windows questions off-list. Tell me what type of Laptop you
have.
Regards
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Leeten
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Vista
Is there a place in Legacy to put such information?
Glenny
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Thanks Timothy, but Legacy (or the underlying technology) does recognise
when a second copy is opened as it normally provides the warning message.
OK, Access/Jet can’t cope with making one copy readonly but at least it
warns you of the problem.
As for making a backup and copying it to the
Carol
I think that still makes you a lumper as there are so many different ways
you can lump. There is also an infinity of stages in between the ultimate
lumping and the ultimate splitting.
You are lumping because you list all information relevant to a source under
one place. That is fine for
Yes, under notes for the individual, the last tab is Medical notes. The top
field is for Cause of Death.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenny
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject:
Thanks G.C. Do you keep all of your sources in Clooz, or just those that you
haven't incorporated into Legacy yet? If Legacy can keep track of these
sources, even if they're not linked to any individuals or families or events,
then what does Clooz provide that Legacy does not? From: [EMAIL
Oh please, it was just a figure of speech.
Lisa
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:01:32 -0800, Wayne Martell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Mandatory Ridiculous!
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Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada
- Original Message -
From: Michele Lewis
To:
Cause of death is easy...
Hit the NOTES icon on the family view page, then hit the MEDICAL Tab and
there ya go!
michele
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From: Glenny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:23 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Cause
Glenny, go to the Notes, and click on the Medical tab (third one). At
the top is the location for cause of death. It sources separately than
the other notes, so be sure to source it.
Susan
On 1/3/08, Glenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a place in Legacy to put such information?
Glenny
1) When I said the videos should be mandatory all I meant was that they are
VERY helpful :)
2) When I say video I mean CD. I am a 45 year old dinosaur and don't have
a grip on the proper techno terminology :)
Michele Simmons Lewis
Staff Genealogist, McDuffie Mirror
Diggin' in the dirt,
Glenny,
You can use the Events to add this information.
The default list of events includes Death, however, you could add a new
event entitled Cause of Death and use it accordingly.
Donald DeZarn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Paul,
If in Advanced Tagging or in Focus Groups you choose one of the
Entire line options, if you have other marriages between the
branches, then you'll pull in everyone. These options may pull in
more people than you intend anyway.
If you want just this individuals direct ancestors and
Hi,
I would like to export to a gedcom a family line of one individual - that
is, as I understand it, all his ancestors and descendants and all their
spouses?
However, when trying to select this group through either advanced tags or
focus groups I always end up with my entire file - i.e..
Michele,
You're fine. The training videos on CD are very helpful. If not mandatory,
they should definitely come highly recommended. I use them for reference
frequently.
Between the help file and all the training videos, most any how to is
answered. The real challenge is how best to apply all of
Dan,
Thank you very much for your suggestion.
I just completed adding the FreeFind search engine to my site. It works much
better than the Google Custom Search.
Donald DeZarn
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Bateham
Sent: Thursday,
Just out of curiousity, what is the advantage to doing it this way when
there is already a place to record the cause of death?
michele
- Original Message -
From: Donald DeZarn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject:
I use a 'cause of death' event rather than the 'medical notes' option
because the former reads in the proper place in a narrative. The latter is
added as a 'note' at the end of other information and often makes no sense
in the flow of information.
Happy New Year!!!
Cheers,
Jan
-Original
Today I entered the ancestors of my new son-in-law to my family file.. When
I printed out a Pedigree Chart, I noticed that one of his great-grandfathers
(who appears as the 5th generation on Page 1) for whom I had a death date
and location did not carry forward as the No. 1 individual on a
In a narrative report, the cause of death immediately follows the
death date in the opening paragraph. I guess I can see you would
prefer to have it occur at the end of the list of events in a person's
life, rather than at the beginning of what will be a narrative. It is
nice that Legacy has these
Greetings...
I use both Legacy and Master Genealogist, and have used Clooz since its
inception. Most recently I got a copy of Custodian 3, which I am yet to
tackle. I am a stickler for software and do like using what I consider the
best that's out there, best for me, that is. Each software
Did the person who didn't carry on as No. 1 individual on another
chart have any parents entered? If not, then he doesn't need another
chart.
On Jan 3, 2008 9:28 PM, Thomas Herson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today I entered the ancestors of my new son-in-law to my family file.. When
I
An easier and less scary way, but longer, is go to the
master location list, make a plug Östergötland län,
Sweden and paste in all locations where E is.
confidence level high.
Rich in LA CA
--- Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Jim,
You can't replace globally through every field.
You can get
Why less scary?
You don't have to click Replace all in the
Search and Replace. You can do them one by one
and see exactly what is being replaced.
Cathy
At 02:49 PM 4/01/2008, you wrote:
An easier and less scary way, but longer, is go to the
master location list, make a plug Östergötland
Yes, but since you can't SEE the full context of the
place found in replace all, and IMHO, people
unfamiliar with some of the tools available, are
afraid to try stuff on their own. (I was)
Rich in LA CA
--- Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why less scary?
You don't have to click Replace all in
With the Search and Replace on the Location
fields, you do see the whole context usually.
Even though I often include street address or
cemetery or church within the location, I can see
the whole location entry 99% of the time.
However, you can certainly take the longer way
around if you're
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