Re: Users and Groups

2006-04-21 Thread Richard A Downing FBCS CITP
Joe Ciccone wrote: > I put this page together with the users and groups from LFS and BLFS. > The only addition I made to this page is a users groups with a gid of > 100. Anyone that wants to set something in stone, this would be a good > place to start. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~jciccone/use

Moderation.

2006-04-20 Thread Richard A Downing FBCS CITP
Isn't it good since the subscribe-only policy came in. I really like this. I'm really sending this to see if gmane posting works, so please don't moderate it through. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above

LFS Counter

2006-03-16 Thread Richard A Downing
The Cross-LFS book says to go and register with the LFS counter. If Cross-lfs is your first LFS, then you can't choose an appropriate version! The Cross-lfs and HLFS versions need to be put in the list. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch

Re: KDE Installation

2006-03-15 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Hi all, > > ./configure --prefix=$(kde-config --prefix) > > Thoughts? > Neat. I like it. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: K3b Installation

2006-03-15 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Hi all, > > Hopefully the name of the two different threads is not so similar that > it looks to all as one thread. :-) > > I'm adding K3b to the book. Some preliminary testing has shown that > it will work when installed in a prefix other than $KDE_PREFIX. Note > that thi

Re: [Fwd: [llh-announce] [ANNOUNCE] linux-libc-headers dead]

2006-03-14 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Richard A Downing FBCS CITP wrote: >> Well, that's that then. > > Indeed :-( Thanks to you and George for forwarding the news on. > > My own naive take on this is that Jim and co. should aim towards getting > the santizing script into a stat

[Fwd: [llh-announce] [ANNOUNCE] linux-libc-headers dead]

2006-03-14 Thread Richard A Downing FBCS CITP
Well, that's that then. Over to you Jim, mate. R. -- Richard A Downing FBCS CITP http://www.langside.org.uk PGP fingerprint: D682 49A5 7050 E781 229C A2F0 DE1F C040 DE78 53E8 --- Begin Message --- LLH hasn't seen a new release for a lot more than six months now and up until today

Re: RFC - Raw Kernel Headers

2006-03-08 Thread Richard A Downing
Greg Schafer wrote: > But that doesn't escape the fact that this "every man for himself" > approach is essentially wrong. Yes it's been talked about for years, but > Linux *needs* a centralized linux headers project of some sort. Llh is a > step in the right direction and IMHO there is still plent

GPhoto2

2006-03-03 Thread Richard A Downing
I've written two wiki pages, Libgphoto2 and GPhoto2, as a start of set of packages on the general theme of Digital Photography. There doesn't seem to be a good place to link these into the index. What is suggested? Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://w

Re: [LFS Trac] #684: Must re-evaluate package order then document the rationale.

2006-03-03 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: >> Jeremy Huntwork wrote: >> Nothing *depends* on vim, so >> >>> leave it at the end. >> >> >> I depend on vim. Put it at the front. >> Only just :-) > > Actually, if we were to repla

Re: [LFS Trac] #684: Must re-evaluate package order then document the rationale.

2006-03-03 Thread Richard A Downing
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Nothing *depends* on vim, so > leave it at the end. I depend on vim. Put it at the front. Only just :-) R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: su -c

2006-03-02 Thread Richard A Downing
Gerard Beekmans wrote: >> Maybe someone should pull the CVS and build it to see if this issue is >> resolved. > > Depending on the outcome of this testing, we'll want to discuss now if > we want to downgrade shadow back to 4.0.13, or wait for its next release > if there is a known release date. >

Re: su -c

2006-03-01 Thread Richard A Downing
Gerard Beekmans wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: >> I just built the cross-lfs book, and noticed that the version of su >> installed comes from shadow. This version doesn't support -c, which IMO >> makes it useless. The version built in coreutils is the one I'm u

Re: su -c

2006-03-01 Thread Richard A Downing
Richard A Downing wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Richard, >> >> I'm at work at the moment so can't reply on list. Shadow's 'su' is >> documented to support the '-c' parameter, at least in man/su/su.1.xml. >> I'm pre

Re: su -c

2006-03-01 Thread Richard A Downing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Richard, > > I'm at work at the moment so can't reply on list. Shadow's 'su' is > documented to support the '-c' parameter, at least in man/su/su.1.xml. > I'm pretty certain I've used 'su -c' before now on my LFS box, and we've > used shadow's 'su' for as long as I can r

su -c

2006-03-01 Thread Richard A Downing
I just built the cross-lfs book, and noticed that the version of su installed comes from shadow. This version doesn't support -c, which IMO makes it useless. The version built in coreutils is the one I'm used to. Which version would SVN build? And after alphabering it? I never build PAM, s

Re: Leaving LFS for a while

2006-02-26 Thread Richard A Downing
William Harrington wrote: > Howdy folks, > >Well the dreaded day has arrived and I shall be deployed overseas. I > will be active > march 2nd and should last around 416 days. Maybe who knows... > > Later everyone! Don't fight while I'm gone. LFS don't kill people! > People kill people! >

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-20 Thread Richard A Downing
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: >> I tried Jim Gifford's Cross-lfs udev patches, and they work fine, so >> that's what I'm going with for now. > > I'm not familiar with these patches, and I can't seem to find them in > t

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-20 Thread Richard A Downing
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > > ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="?*" MODALIAS=="?*", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe > ${modalias}" Thanks Brian. I understood that. Unfortunately changing the rules didn't fix my problem. Nothing loads the modules. So I guess I must have a typo somewhere else. I tried Jim Gifford's

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-19 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: >> However since mine is a a non-branch SVN converted >> to Udev (no hotplug) I may have missed something. > > One immediate thought. Did you update the rules file to follow what's > in the udev branch? i.e. remove

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-18 Thread Richard A Downing
Dan Nicholson wrote: > On 2/18/06, Matthew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Alternatively, what purpose does populating /dev do at this stage? Does >> something we build later on actually require devices in there that we >> haven't yet got available to us? > > Hi Matt, > > Glad to hear some

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-18 Thread Richard A Downing
DJ Lucas wrote: > The directories shm and pts are not created automagically in /dev > anymore. I just realized, however, that I have no idea how they had come > to exist before. Using 2.6.15.4 and udev-084. In the udev > instructions, add 'mkdir /lib/udev/devices/{shm,pts}' to the first > instruc

Re: The Secret Cause of Flame Wars

2006-02-13 Thread Richard A Downing
Jens Olav Nygaard wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote: >> Dan Nicholson wrote: >> >>> On 2/13/06, Bruce Dubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70179-0.html?tw=wn_index_2 Nah, it's fat bastards that cause flame wars. I once sent the Head of HR in my old firm a

Re: Goodbye Randy [Was: Re: Trac Ticket System vs. Bugzilla]

2006-02-13 Thread Richard A Downing
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Randy McMurchy wrote: stuff. I don't normally like quoting scripture here but these are serious times: Matthew 18:21 Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: OOo-2.0.1, Xorg 7.0, Firefox-1.5 and System NSS/NSPR

2006-02-09 Thread Richard A Downing
Alan Lord wrote: > I know - posting to my own message but... > > Just d/l the OOo linux-intel-x86 package and it's all in bloody RPMS!!! If you convert the RPMS to tar.gz with rpm2targz then the tar.gz's will unpack to /opt/openoffice.org2.0. http://downloads.linuxfromscratch.org/rpm2targz.t

Re: Use of words in Udev_update

2006-02-08 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > >> I hadn't been following this branch, but decided that this is the next >> important leap forward for Linux-kind - getting rid of hotpig, I mean, >> so I am now in class and paying attention. > > OK then, y

Re: Use of words in Udev_update

2006-02-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:31:03 + Matthew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (or am I missing a sarcasm-detection plugin) That, along with my attention deficit disorder (which is why I can't stand long sentences). :-) I hadn't been following this branch, but decided that this is the next imp

Use of words in Udev_update

2006-02-06 Thread Richard A Downing
The excellent page 7.4 on "Device and Module Handling on an LFS System" has a minor wording difficulty for me. In 7.4.4 the sentence "A kernel driver may not export its data to sysfs." means that a kernel driver is not allowed, by some unspecified rules, to export its data to sysfs. What I think

Re: ImplementingTrac - Logo

2006-01-24 Thread Richard A Downing
Sorry, I tried to stop this getting out with the attachment. Not quick enough! R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: ImplementingTrac - Logo

2006-01-24 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:36:34 -0600 Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Ennis wrote these words on 01/24/06 00:23 CST: > > > This may well be the case, but many people will > > view the site using this particular non-standard, > > whether or not they are a target audience. > > If it

Re: RFC: Implementing Trac [long]

2006-01-23 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:29:27 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > > > I have a login ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for BLFS which I know > > the password (and checked it with Bogzilla), but trac doesn't let > > me log in. O

Re: RFC: Implementing Trac [long]

2006-01-23 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:25:36 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Burgess wrote: > > immediately though, of course. I think another two weeks of > > testing by *all* members of the community, be they developers or > > our beloved users, is still necessary to ensure we can al

Re: Santized Kernel Headers

2006-01-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:39:52 +1100 Greg Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do we want use 2.4 headers with patches, like the distro's? (NO!, > > may loose some 2.6 ABI functionality) > > Amazingly, this is what the distro with the most Linux professionals > working for it does (ie: RH/Fedora

Re: Santized Kernel Headers

2006-01-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:38:32 -0800 Jim Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we all have come to realization that LLH headers are not > coming out. So I've been checking into how to make these headers. So > I'm asking everyone's opinion on this before I pursue this task. Well done Jim, som

Re: [Fwd: Re: UTF-8]

2006-01-21 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:34:39 + Matthew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > > > The problem is that I no longer want UTF-8 in trunk. > > Well, I do. I consider it a bug that we can't cater for folk wanting > to use UTF-8 locales without breaking groff, man, gr

Re: UTF-8

2006-01-20 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:49:56 -0800 Jim Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please reply to both lists > Jim, Cross-lfs is not on gmane. Can you get it on there please, then I'll monitor it. I don't do mailing lists anymore. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: ht

Re: UTF-8

2006-01-20 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:47:54 +0500 "Alexander E. Patrakov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Nicholson wrote: > > >So, if you're following this thread and you have a strong feeling > >that you'd like the UTF-8 changes to be added in as the default or > >prefer them to be stored in an appendix, ple

Re: UTF-8

2006-01-20 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:34:20 -0800 Dan Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/20/06, Alexander E. Patrakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, this broke jhalfs, because it assumes that the book > > has to be followed in the linear way. Further patches will not be > > provided u

Re: куплю б/у автомобиль

2006-01-18 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:50:23 +0500 "Alexander E. Patrakov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > > >On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:27:42 +0500 > >"Alexander E. Patrakov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>It&#

Re: куплю б/у автомобиль

2006-01-18 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:27:42 +0500 "Alexander E. Patrakov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > > >On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:50:04 -0500 > >"Waywardness D. Norma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>(sp

Re: куплю б/у автомобиль

2006-01-16 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:50:04 -0500 "Waywardness D. Norma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > П о к у п а е м б/у а в т о м о б и л и > отечественного, японского , американского , европейского и др. > производителей , джипы , минивены , легковые и автобусы, в любом > техническо

Re: Perl failing test 87

2006-01-16 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:27:06 + (GMT) Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, David Mascall wrote: > > > I wonder why this only occurs under jhalfs ? I cant find any > > reports of this error from people building current SVN non-jhalfs. > > More generally, the number

Re: Perl failing test 87

2006-01-16 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:05:39 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > > > I edited the perl file in commands and removed the make test! Then > > rerun. Cheating, I know. > > And I hope by re-run you meant that you did somethin

Re: Perl failing test 87

2006-01-15 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:10:45 + David Mascall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > > >On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:27:26 + > >David Mascall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>Richard A Downing wrote: > >

Re: List of package urls

2006-01-15 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:40:26 + Matthew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Randy McMurchy wrote: > > > Why is it that the package URL is not listed, but only the location > > where it *should* be? > > > > > So, why not just list the package URL? > > Short answer...it's a historical oversi

Re: Perl failing test 87

2006-01-15 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:27:26 + David Mascall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > > >Perl is now failing on my jhalfs build of SVN at > >ext/DB_File/t/db-recno, Test 87. > > > >Probably something to do with db? > > > >Or i

Perl failing test 87

2006-01-14 Thread Richard A Downing
Perl is now failing on my jhalfs build of SVN at ext/DB_File/t/db-recno, Test 87. Probably something to do with db? Or is it me? R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Dependencies LFS-BLFS (was Re: UTF8 nitpicks)

2006-01-10 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:40:35 + Richard A Downing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:25:45 -0600 > Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Richard A Downing wrote these words on 01/10/06 03:26 CST: > Perhaps I'm in a minority, b

Re: RFC: Implementing Trac [long]

2006-01-10 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:11:07 + Richard A Downing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:55:57 -0500 > Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would really like to get everyone's opinion. > All things being equal I think thi

Dependencies LFS-BLFS (was Re: UTF8 nitpicks)

2006-01-10 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:25:45 -0600 Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote these words on 01/10/06 03:26 CST: > > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:10:04 -0600 > > Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>The BDB dependencies hav

Re: UTF8 nitpicks

2006-01-10 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:10:04 -0600 Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joel Miller wrote these words on 01/09/06 18:08 CST: > > > Additionally, IIRC, BLFS is no longer going to list BDB as a > > dependence (i.e. they assume it will be installed). > > The BDB dependencies have already bee

Re: RFC: Implementing Trac [long]

2006-01-09 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:55:57 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would really like to get everyone's opinion. I like the look of this too. You've done a good job getting the look-feel like the website. I really like the SVN browser and the Changelog. My only criticism is that t

Later Versions

2006-01-08 Thread Richard A Downing
I was reading one of the mailings about stable and unstable versions... You know, in almost five years of doing this LFS stuff, I have never once actually NEEDED a later version of an LFS package. OK, when it arrived, the improvements were sometimes good, but I was never actually waiting for it.

FAQ CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
Recent kernels don't seem to support this configuartion switch any more. Does this mean the FAQ needs adjusting? CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Man-DB, BDB --compat-1.85

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:37:49 -0600 Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote these words on 01/07/06 13:26 CST: > > I noticed that this switch is in the LFS book for BerkyDB, I haven't > > built that for some time (when something says it needs

Man-DB, BDB --compat-1.85

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
I noticed that this switch is in the LFS book for BerkyDB, I haven't built that for some time (when something says it needs a DB that I'm testing). Does Man-DB need this? I'm amazed if it does - the rationale for using it is that it's maintained and modern and handles all sorts of UTF-8 stuff. An

Re: Man-DB and Berkeley DB

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:09:47 +0500 "Alexander E. Patrakov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > > Can someone point me to the discussion thread that decided this > > change of man package? I want to review the reasons to make my own > &

Man-DB and Berkeley DB

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
Can someone point me to the discussion thread that decided this change of man package? I want to review the reasons to make my own decision on it. A quick archive search (+man-DB and then +man +Berkeley) didn't reveal anything useful other than it's a better fit for a UTF-8 system. I can see the

Re: Jim's Udev package (part 3)

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:22:53 -0800 Dan Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To both guys, > > Thanks for all the hard work on the hardware issues. I promise it is > appreciated by others on the list whether they're vocal about it or > not. I don't think I'm alone when I say that I'm eager to s

Re: Can ncurses be removed from Chapter 5?

2006-01-02 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:51:01 -0500 Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm just looking for ways to reduce the temp-system in /tools as much > as possible. I've built LFS systems before without having ncurses > there and it works fine. I believe the only issue is texinfo - many > programs in

Re: UTF-8 book is ready for merging

2005-12-28 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:04:13 + Matthew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks very much for all your hard work on this Alexander. Da. +1. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Seasons Greetings

2005-12-22 Thread Richard A Downing
I shall be shutting down my systems tonight for the Christmas Holiday, back on Wednesday. SWMBO and I have to deliver Seasonal Cheer to various parts of the UK over the next few days. It has been an interesting year, moved house, became a BLFS Editor, started renovating said house, gave up editing

Re: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:06:53 +0100 "Feldmeier Bernd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you call this that way ok. > But marking some packs as optional > that is really educational in my mind. > > The user can decide wether to include that > not essential stuff like devel-packs ... > > Bernd, We

(OT)Re: Recommended Dependencies [was: Re: r5444 ]

2005-12-19 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:53:11 -0600 Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 12/18/05 23:25 CST: > > > Well, with all due respect DJ, you are flat wrong. > > Sometimes my fingers just put on the screen what is in my head. > Darn the fact that I keep thinking

Re: Reference to the LiveCD in BLFS

2005-12-11 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:13:37 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Randy McMurchy wrote: > > > It's not that no one has anything to say, it is probably the fact > > that the author of that text is the only one qualified to say > > anything. > > > > Alright, well thanks for that, Ra

Re: New BLFS Editor

2005-12-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:33:07 +0200 Ag Hatzim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hate when the people leave. > > Please Bruce ignore him. > Ag, It's old news. I didn't leave, just stopped wanting to be an editor. I'm still here 'putting my oar in' on the inappropriate occasion. Bruce already did th

Re: New BLFS Editor

2005-12-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:37:32 -0600 Bruce Dubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to announce Andy Benton as a new BLFS Editor. Andy has > been a long time participant in the BLFS project and brings a lot of > skill and enthusiasm to the project. > > Please help me in welcoming Andy to the

Re: FC4 as a host [Was: Re: file format not recognized from ld right from the start????]

2005-12-01 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:50 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Benton wrote: > > > Bing. You hit the nail on the head there. As Richard said, Fedora Core 4 > > isn't a suitable distro to build the stable version of the book. It > > should work OK for the development vers

Re: Hand holding (Was: Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans)

2005-11-27 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:54:31 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gueven Bay wrote: > > Hi dear LFS devs, > > > > I am one of the - I think - many silent readers of LFS-dev. > > Normally I only read to gain insight how you develop (or better: write) > > the book but now I want to wr

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-27 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:37:44 -0700 Archaic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The target > audience of this book has fallen drastically, and my one shot in the > dark request for trunk would be to rip out a lot of the text that is > currently in it and take it back down to circa the 3.0 days when it had >

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-26 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:35:50 -0600 Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Furthermore, if you start thinking about packages to pull from LFS, > then you need to start looking at Perl as well. Where do you stop? > True. However Perl used to be needed for GCC tests to run (IIRC). We DO need

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-25 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:51:02 -0600 Bruce Dubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Randy McMurchy wrote: > > Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 11/24/05 21:23 CST: > > >>It is a mystery why Unix admins who wouldn't even trust their employer > >>with more than a normal user account carelessly execute

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-24 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:58:24 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is kind of a brave request, and I'm fully prepared to be shot down. > In fact, I think I'd be surprised if the group went for it. ;) However > after thinking about this for some time, I'm going to venture a requ

Re: User IDs and Group IDs

2005-11-23 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:28:27 + Matthew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Murphy's law being as it is, the moment we add such a message to the > book, an updated version of LLH will be released and make it immediately > out of date! Anyone tried asking the llh devs about their plans? --

Re: User IDs and Group IDs

2005-11-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:26:02 -0700 Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I read all the lists (I think, I didn't check for new ones recently). > > I have not seen this on lfs-dev or blfs-dev. Which lists? > > cross-lfs Damn it, there would be one! I didn't notice that cross-lfs had it

Re: User IDs and Group IDs

2005-11-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:09:45 -0700 Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > > Gerard suddenly discovered that, in his long absence, the LFS > > projects have got away from him and went looking for an 'issue' so as > > to re-estab

Re: User IDs and Group IDs

2005-11-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:34:45 -0700 Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guys, > > There seems to be some issues relating UIDs and GIDs especially between > BLFS and CLFS. > > I'm not going to point the finger whose fault this is and I don't care > about personal issues as I have notice

No longer an editor

2005-11-22 Thread Richard A Downing
Bruce (et al), I no longer wish to be an editor of the BLFS book. Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Users reentering chroot and continuing

2005-11-18 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:43:13 -0600 Bruce Dubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > > > How about someone writing a 'chroot-script', and including it somewhere in > > the book. > > Of course, you'd need two of them. > > Ta

Re: News Server Offline Indefinitely

2005-11-18 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:10:45 +0100 Jörg W Mittag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DJ Lucas wrote: > > Matthew Burgess wrote: > >> I contacted the gmane guys today to see about getting things organised > >> with regard to a more consistent mirroring setup for all of the lists, > >> and am just waitin

Re: Users reentering chroot and continuing

2005-11-17 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:30:44 -0600 William Harrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > There has been a high amount of traffic related to the chroot > environment of chapter 6. > It would be great if we could tie people down, force their eyelids > open, and make them read! Howeve

Re: grub

2005-11-13 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:46:32 + Matthew Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > > > At what point do we decide that we're ready to switch over? GRUB 2 still > > has some missing features (at least missing in regard to what it has > > said it will include). But from my f

Re: LFS-Bootscripts-3.2.1 setclock

2005-11-03 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:28:11 -0700 Archaic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 05:58:51AM -0100, Duncan Webb wrote: > > > > Now that we're no longer in summer time in the Makefile for > > LFS-Bootscripts-3.2.1 there are no rules to install setclock during a > > reboot or shutdow

Re: config.site questions

2005-11-02 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:28:40 -0500 (GMT+5) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Doesn't anyone read the documentation anymore? :) I can understand > needing to teach them about configure... One big problem for new Linux friends, and indeed for new users of most large programs, it the wealth of documenta

Re: config.site

2005-10-31 Thread Richard A Downing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Dan Nicholson wrote: > >> Because the current way has symlinks /usr/man -> /usr/share/man, etc. >> It would be nice to get rid of these depending on how picky you are. > > > Why don't we just have a regular /usr/man directory? Why get rid of > the

Re: ALSA modules and restore volumes

2005-10-25 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Dan Nicholson wrote: > >> If anything is >> written, I'd be glad to peruse it and give an opinion as someone who >> still has only the loosest grasp of how the hardware is set up. > > > Well, I've written some notes up on this, though they're not entirely > accurate. > h

Re: ALSA modules and restore volumes

2005-10-25 Thread Richard A Downing
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > >> Guys, >> >> The method documented in the svn book doesn't work for me. The script >> that the 15-alsa.rules file associates with udev's discovery of a >> control interface is never apparent

Re: GTK+ deps

2005-10-16 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote these words on 10/16/05 04:39 CST: > >>I just noticed that gtk+-2.8.6 doesn't say it needs glib-2.8.3 or am I >>missing something here? I'm sure it used to be a required dep. > > > GTK+ requires Pango, which

GTK+ deps

2005-10-16 Thread Richard A Downing
I just noticed that gtk+-2.8.6 doesn't say it needs glib-2.8.3 or am I missing something here? I'm sure it used to be a required dep. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: GTK+ deps

2005-10-16 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote: > >> I just noticed that gtk+-2.8.6 doesn't say it needs glib-2.8.3 or am I >> missing something here? > > > blfs-dev, perhaps? :) Damn, I used one of those infernal cross-posted mailsing to pic

GTK+ deps

2005-10-16 Thread Richard A Downing
I just noticed that gtk+-2.8.6 doesn't say it needs glib-2.8.3 or am I missing something here? I'm sure it used to be a required dep. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: My status

2005-10-03 Thread Richard A Downing
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Hello All, > As a result, this morning I see a malicious message in my Inbox from one > of the team members here. It suggested that I created this notion of > leaving LFS as a ruse to gain more recognition and ended with the > comment that I 'need help'. It wasn't me, ho

Re: NTP bootscript causes long boot-times

2005-09-24 Thread Richard A Downing
Andrew Benton wrote: > Matthew Burgess wrote: > >> I think the solution is to move the initial time-sync operation out of >> the bootscript and into the configuration section of NTP (obviously >> with enough explanation as to why we need to do this and why it should >> be a one-time operation, but

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote these words on 09/19/05 09:21 CST: > > >>Isn't it strange how every other engineering disipline goes in for lots >>of useful diagrams, but as soon as you get to the OpenSource movement >>everything MUST BE just word

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Incidentally, I'd love for someone to draw a nice looking graphic to > show how kernel events, udev, hotplug, modules, etc. are all related and > how they function together. If a similar graphic could be drawn without > the hotplug component in there, a direct comparison

Re: gcc4 and glibc-2.3.x

2005-09-18 Thread Richard A Downing
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Archaic wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 05:35:54PM -0400, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: >> >>> Again, as I see things, if we want to be using gcc4 we should be >>> doing it correctly and using the code that is meant for it, ie, glibc >> >> >> >> True enough, but snapshots su

Re: New coreutils uname patch

2005-09-17 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > == > [coreutils-5.2.1 + current LFS patch]: > > bash-3.00# uname -i > i386 > bash-3.00# uname -p > athlon-4 > bash-3.00# uname -a > Linux kyoto 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Thu Sep 8 06:18:41 UTC 2005 i686 athlon-4 > i386 GNU/Linux > ==

Re: [RFC] Udev configuration changes

2005-09-13 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: > Hi guys, > > Archaic and I have put our heads together to try and come up with a more > reasonable set of Udev rules. These are based on the following criteria: > > 1) If a device needs packages outside those installed by LFS then don't > include a rule for it. (e.g. aud

Re: GTK-2.8.x

2005-09-13 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Richard A Downing wrote these words on 09/13/05 15:00 CST: > > >>I just got though building it on the GCC-4 system. It appears to work >>well. (gtk+-2.8.3/glib-2.8.1/pango-1.10.0/atk-1.10.1/cairo-1.0.0) > > > Probably should have moved

Re: GTK-2.8.x

2005-09-13 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: > Hi all, > > Are we ready to move to the new GTK/Glib/Cairo/Pango/ATK stuff. I > see that David has the GTK+ and Glib bugs spoken for, but I'll be > adding Cairo to the book this weekend, and was wondering what the > community thinks about moving forward. > > I'd like to ge

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