* andrew via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-05-15 19:59]:
> I want to emphasize the importance of free software and free computing
> to them. I am working on an article to submit to them, and I wold love
> some ideas on this topic.
Is article finished?
Jean
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* Thomas Lord [2022-05-19 18:06]:
>
> Contacting the FSF is a total crap shoot. In my experience,
> if it isn't something immediately in their favor they are
> a read only device.
There are other mailing lists for that type of expressions. Maybe you
should consider diversifying your interests.
* Erica Frank [2022-05-19 22:30]:
> It's increasingly clear to me that the free software movement has little
> interest in outreach to the general non-coder/non-developer public, and
> this reply just reinforces my belief.
That is not true.
That is your personal impression, though it is not
* Erica Frank [2022-05-13 21:32]:
> The biggest impediment to getting free software used on campuses (and
> in the business world) is the lack of beginner-level support for
> switching from Windows or Mac to a free OS.
Installing an operating system is simply NOT for beginner. Your best
option
* p_newsletters/libreplanet--- via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-05-12 22:42]:
> I myself have been interested about freedom of software almost 15
> years. This interests me a lot and I found myself numerous times
> spending plenty of hours in fsf.org just going deep in the rabbit
> hole. However,
* Thomas Lord [2022-05-13 03:49]:
>
> And I wish to add that I think I offend some FSF
> fans by saying I think the underlying cause is that
> the FSF has somehow lost sight of two critical goals:
>
> 1. Education for the general public.
You say it "lost sight" -- that is again spreading of
* Thomas Lord [2022-05-12 21:34]:
>
> Jean,
>
> > Thomas, you again spread Fears, Uncertainties and Doubts - FUD. I
> > cannot take your statements seriously.
>
> That's fine.
How is that fine?
Promote freedom, not FUD on this mailing list.
> I am curious if you think that the ~40 year old
* Yasuaki Kudo [2022-05-17 16:53]:
> So far, here is my own explanation of the apparent contradiction, based on
> the comments from people who kindly participated in our discussion:
>
> - GNU Emacs runs on Windows, a proprietary system. That's great
> - because it can be used as an opportunity
* Yasuaki Kudo [2022-05-17 16:32]:
> Hi,
>
> I just wanted to follow up that I meant to ask:
>
> - Endorsing Free Software to be available on non-free systems, so as
> - long as it is understood that it is an invitation to the fully
> - Free System, not just partial - is this stance well
* Yasuaki Kudo [2022-05-17 16:27]:
> Hi Jean!
>
> So my original question of the seemingly different attitudes toward making it
> clear and easy for people who want to run Free on Non-Free on (or with)
> software remains, and I am excited to get more clarification!
>
> > You seem to have an
* Yasuaki Kudo [2022-05-15 19:57]:
> Having said this, I see that GNU Emacs works on Microsoft Windows??
> How in the world is this done if the GNU's attitude is absolute zero
> tolerance of anything Proprietary?
Not only GNU Emacs works on proprietary systems, I would say that so
much of free
* Yasuaki Kudo [2022-05-16 15:49]:
> Hi Andrew!
>
> > Can you elaborate on what technical knowhow is related to nonfree
> > software in Guix?
> >
> Oh this is quite simple -
> When someone installs a Guix OS, there is a high chance that vital components
> of the computer won't work (unless
* Thomas Lord [2022-05-12 03:26]:
> All the more reason why this is a valuable idea
> for an organization whose primary purpose is spreading
> education and real world use of libre software systems.
>
> Meanwhile, there is whatever the FSF is trying to do
> which is entirely unclear from their
* Thomas Lord [2022-04-29 17:49]:
> This is an opportunity to greatly expand the number
> of people who use free software, and to help them
> learn why it - and why resisting untrustworthy
> websites - is valuable. Thus, it is the FSF's reason
> for existence, writ large.
>
> I think they will
* Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-04-27 09:38]:
>
>
> On 26/04/2022 20:38, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:
> > Hi Thomas:
> >
> > If the FSF is not now going very hard on promoting Mastadon,
> > they should never be trusted to anything right again.
> >
> > Why take
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-04-26 23:49]:
> I second that, what's so difficult on making a blog post for people to
> spread across social media so that people leaving twitter know about libre
> alternatives?
The only wrong thing is that you post that without knowing that it was
the FSF and GNU project
* Thomas Lord [2022-04-26 23:50]:
> My tone is harsh because of decades of the FSF doing less and less
> of value in line with its mission.
Your statements only bring uncertainties. It seems there is no
research from your side.
On what criteria are you basing such statements?
Did you maybe
* Thomas Lord [2022-04-26 21:21]:
>
> Why is this hard?
>
> A lot of serious people are now looking for an exit from twitter.
>
> The ones I see are asking about Mastadon.
>
> The FSF front page is a bunch of dust stuff about libreplanet,
> and they evince no concerted, organized activity to
* andrew [2022-04-18 09:40]:
> In large cities, during lockdowns, the government sends food to people,
> but that's quite minimal. Most of what my family eats is still
> retreived through online shopping, the only way possible. And all those
> * shopping platforms require (1) a mobile phone and
* Andrew Yu via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-04-18 09:38]:
> Free Software CommunityA. Yu
> RFD 1 The 2nd School Aff. to FDU
>18 April 2022
>
>
>
* andrew [2022-04-18 13:53]:
> My problem is that when I say "please contact me by email because I
> don't wanna use WeChat", people go like "nope". Frustrating.
I have that taking place, but I do not have such problem.
Today I am managing project in Tanzania on distance by using XMPP
* Whistler [2022-04-18 07:01]:
> I also don't think this is totally unrelated to free software, or
> asking you/FSF to do anything.
After the explanation it is totally related, as people are forced to
use proprietary software. And implies that people are forced to use
mobile phones, or otherwise
* Whistler [2022-04-18 06:26]:
> Here (in Beijing) we have been required to scan a QR code with a
> non-free covid 'contact tracing' app if we need to enter _anywhere_
> since 2020, including the residence block of my own home.
> I don't think 'complaining' to any organizations would solve the
>
* Andrew Yu via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-04-18 09:38]:
> Free Software is undoubtably a good thing for society. However,
> modern computer users are stuck in the proprietary "ecosystem" for
> historical reasons. This document describes the justification and
> best current practices of using
* Yasuaki Kudo [2022-04-18 15:27]:
> (I have just 'replied all' from my (God forbid, proprietary!) IPhone
> so forgive me, the addresses in To or CC are pretty arbitrary)
That is absolutely not a problem. Almost all people come to know free
software from proprietary software.
> I often wonder
* andrew via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-04-16 13:49]:
> On 22/04/15 10:56PM, Jean Louis wrote:
> > Who issued the policy? By which authority someone obligated you?
>
> Shanghai Government, the government.
>
> The order was issued by the executive branch of the government
* andrew [2022-04-15 04:01]:
> On 22/04/15 12:30AM, Jean Louis wrote:
> > * andrew via libreplanet-discuss
> > [2022-04-14 18:30]:
> > > The reason I posted this here are:
> > >
> > > (1) During the lockdown, we are obligated to use the followin
* andrew via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-04-14 18:30]:
> The reason I posted this here are:
>
> (1) During the lockdown, we are obligated to use the following nonfree
> software:
How are you obligated? Which law, rule or policy is asking you that?
Please provide references if there are any
* andrew via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-04-11 22:41]:
> Shanghai, where I live, has been locked down again. Any of you in
> lockdown?
And how is this related to Libreplanet?
Jean
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In support of Richard M.
* Preston Miller Firestone via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-03-23 17:22]:
> TL;DR: Testing search terms related to "free software" in
> duckduckgo"
As Duckduckgo recently clearly stated that they can and will
manipulate specific search terms to be lower ranked than it should be;
I can't say that
* Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-03-21 02:51]:
> I have decided to say "freedom software".
> Also: "freedom hardware".
Why do you think that it is necessary?
I don't think it is necessary. Words have few definitions and in
various context, so when you have good context there is no
Dr. Richard Stallman is today exactly 69 years, was born on
1953-03-16.
I wish Richard all the best and so many years more to come.
More from Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
Richard Matthew Stallman (/ˈstɔːlmən/; born March 16, 1953), also
known by his initials, rms,
* Aaron Wolf [2022-03-15 00:02]:
> FWIW, I heard from people at OSI that they *chose* to release the trademark
> on "Open Source" in general many years ago because they thought it would be
> better to encourage the use of the term. Whether that was a good decision is
> open to debate.
It should
* Aaron Wolf [2022-03-15 00:49]:
> Ah found the details:
>
> https://opensource.org/pressreleases/certified-open-source.php
>
> It wasn't intentional. They had attempted to trademark "open source" and
> they describe the application as "lapsed" rather than rejected, but the rest
> of the
* Valentino Giudice [2022-03-15 01:02]:
> > That is what you say, though objectively, legally and protectively, it
> > is not the reality.
>
> Legally and protectively "free software" doesn't have more meaning
> or value than "open source". Possibly less.
It has because free software refers to
* Valentino Giudice [2022-03-15 01:03]:
>> That is what you say, though objectively, legally and protectively,
>it
>> is not the reality.
>Legally and protectively "free software" doesn't have more meaning or
>value than "open source". Possibly less.
That is why we use
* Valentino Giudice [2022-03-14 05:02]:
> > Thus the software is "open source" but it is not free software.
>
> No, it is absolutely not.
>
> The founders of the open source movement, the Open Source Initiative,
> Debian (which also uses the term "open source"), many software communities
> and
* Erica Frank [2022-03-10 18:33]:
> This makes no sense.
> "Free software" does not mean "until you use it for immoral or illegal
> purposes."
Thanks for your opinion. Yes.
Regarding "immoral":
Please note that what is immoral is hard to define; it is vague and
thus becomes unjust. For an
* Aaron Wolf [2022-03-12 20:48]:
> The recent podcast from Humane Tech folks grapples with the complexities of
> this issue:
From your link:
> https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/49-the-dark-side-of-decentralization
,
| But if the world lives on Bitcoin, we may not be able to sanction
|
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-03-11 21:00]:
> > "Free software" does not mean "until you use it for immoral or illegal
> purposes."
>
> Freedom Software (Free Software) is based on the principles of Four Freedoms
> of Franklin D. Roosevelt namely:
>
> 1. Freedom of speech
> 2. Freedom of worship/religion
* Miles Fidelman [2022-03-11 20:54]:
> Then again, we might want to spend a bit more time SCRUTINIZING SUBMISSIONS
> to the repositories. I expect that the Russians (among others) are spending
> a bit more time, of late, inserting malware into things - to better
> distribute disinformation, the
* Jim Fulner [2022-03-09 02:07]:
> > Your statement I find twisted and not honest. I don't believe you.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that. I suppose it makes sense. I've been a long
> time lurker on this list and it has probably been years since I last
> actually posted publicly to it, so you have no
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-03-09 00:41]:
> How is that justifying the use of free software in russian military to
> do war crimes worth of projected 1 000 000 civilian death _including
> children_?
I am using Wordnet dictionary, so look below:
Definition of "Perpetrator":
1. perpetrator, culprit --
* Jim Fulner [2022-03-09 00:33]:
>So I saw on the fedeverse that Libraplent is still looking for
>lightning talk speakers
>[1]https://libranet.de/display/d50ad373-ff5b1973528ceddb-f9069f45
>rms is on this list, so rather than just complaining that he doesn't
>have a place of
I fully support and agree to advices given by Valentino.
* Valentino Giudice [2022-03-06 18:35]:
> This is the most advisable path for writing a new free license:
> - DON'T. Actually, I don't. Really really don't. We have enough
> license proliferation already.
>
> If you decide that there is
* Danny Spitzberg [2022-03-06 21:38]:
>Except he’s not speaking this year, it seems, so that’s why I proposed
>all of true fans organize a conference featuring him!
>Anyone interested??
You know what -- I find it unfriendly.
That some of people wish to have RMS speaking did not
* Danny Spitzberg [2022-03-04 18:22]:
> People can organize StallmanCon any time RMS is available and he can be the
> only speaker!
Is it a new wave of hate messages?
I think it was quite reasonable to ask why is RMS not invited to
Libreplanet. And I think this is proper place to do so.
* Ole Aamot [2022-03-03 21:49]:
> Ukrainian state broadcaster is currently not GNOME Internet Radio
> Locator 12.2.0.
> Kyiv is under attack and we want to limit Russia and Putin's access to
> information.
> Is this wrong to think?
Yes, it is wrong to think if you wish to limit "public" radio.
On March 4, 2022 2:52:20 AM UTC, Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss
wrote:
>Don't get me wrong. I'm not in any way anti-RMS, but the free software
>movement needs to be about freedom respecting software, and not hero
>worship (whether that person is RMS or some other "hero") Long term,
>what
I surely wait one year to see RMS talking on Libreplanet, so please consider to
update your agenda and invite him.
On March 3, 2022 6:57:26 PM UTC, "Adrienne G. Thompson"
wrote:
>Fellow Free Software Supporters:
>
>Let's let the Libre Planet organisers know that the worldwide Free
>software
* Jean-Christophe Helary [2022-03-02 19:29]:
> Wow, the discussion level here is beyond what I would imagine be
> possible on the list of a respectable group like the FSF. I'm off.
I am sorry for that. And I agree to it.
Jean
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* Aaron Wolf [2022-03-01 19:21]:
> That said, Devin didn't take sides in any sense or say anything
> inappropriate on behalf of the FSF. The only intention of his message was to
> say essentially, "FSF will comply with any legal requirements imposed on it"
> without even suggesting that any legal
* Valentino Giudice [2022-03-02 09:19]:
> > when Devin answers with: " 'what' the FSF ... ", that 'what' makes me
> > think that there is something going on
>
> Stop right there.
> Devin is only responsible for what he writes, not for what you
> think.
It is not simple like that Valentino.
Thanks Valentino, I agree to everything what you said here.
That should be lesson for FSF representatives as well.
Let us be friends for reasons that we have in common to love
free software.
Other politics but free software we better to put on side and
discuss individually on other Internet
I have asked on this list the FSF representative to list references of
sanctions that apply to FSF. None so far has been shown.
So which sanction exactly is relevant to FSF? That they are not allowed to give
Putin the membership card?
On March 1, 2022 4:37:37 AM UTC, Valentino Giudice
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-02-16 18:41]:
> VoronDesign's Voron-2 was relicensed on GPLv3[5] as original Free
> Hardware Design while being a fork of The RepRap 1.0 ("Darwin") released
> under GPLv2 and utilizing the CoreXY design by Liam E. Moyer[3] thus it
> violates GPLv2 as the authors of The RepRap
* Leland Best [2022-02-09 00:57]:
> Just to be clear, _I'm_ not trying to argue that Free Software is not
> important,
> or that the FSF should abandon it's efforts, or anything similar. What I'm
> trying to point out is that people tend to have a certain amount of tunnel
> vision when
* Thomas Lord [2022-02-02 02:34]:
>
> Jean, I also respectfully disagree with you when you write
> (about the Arturia keyboard):
>
> > So it is issue of proprietary software, not hardware.
>
> No, it is not. The issue is that the device uses
> an extension to the MIDI communications
* Thomas Lord [2022-02-02 00:50]:
>
> Jean, please replace your reply-to address with
> one that does not cause bounces.
My reply-to address is bugs@gnu.support and I receive messages. Send
me bounce privately to see.
Jean
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* Jacob Hrbek [2022-02-01 11:25]:
> > As I said previously, I will be glad to register FHF or Free Hardware
> Foundation for you, US $600 only, it can be done within 1 day. Then you
> can make decisions in your own foundation. -- Louis
>
> If that would help i would already did that, but such
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-02-01 11:11]:
> > Basic issue is actually well pointed by RMS on the hardware design. First
> comes the subject of discussion. We have the thread here how FSF
> continuously harms free hardware, which is neither true, neither enough
> descriptive for people to understand what
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-02-01 04:59]:
> Same as in the software the existence of such blobs especially in
> the modem that on most devices has direct access to ring-0 of the OS
> which usually can
I understood the point, but that is not spyware. It is maybe security
vulnerability. Report it to right
Thanks for changing the subject to rather positive one.
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-01-31 17:14]:
> Why is hardware that "can be plug in and run" important? Afaik we don't
> expect everyone to compile all of the software from source themselves so
> same as with linux distributions let the distributors
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-01-27 20:15]:
> > How do you feel about devices from suppliers such as Pine64, these allow
> for free software to be installed, but also for parts to be removed and
> replaced. -- Sutton
>
> I argue that pinephone should be avoided at all cost as it has a built-in
> spyware
* Thomas Lord [2022-01-31 23:53]:
> Wait, I think we are onto something useful today:
>
> Jean writes:
>
>> - Freedom 0: The freedom the use the hardware
>> for any purpose
>
>> Did anybody prevent you to use hardware for any purpose?
>
> YES! Two examples:
>
> In the music
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-02-01 05:12]:
> While i argue that the GPLv3 is not an option for Hardware freedom,
> this is not the main issue as FSF still remains authority on User
> Freedom and have a major impact on Hardware Freedom as explained in
> previous e-mail.
I would say that FSF is prominent
* Thomas Lord [2022-02-01 07:05]:
> >
> > I have tried, but I have not seen in the above paragraph how anybody
> > prevented you to use the MIDI controller for other purposes.
> >
>
> Example: I have a small MIDI keyboard controller called
> the "Arturia Minilab mkII".
>
> I can use its most
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-02-01 12:57]:
> You are dismissing all arguments that i've provided and refuse to
> take them seriously.
I really tried to find arguments, but cannot. I wish to reach point of
understanding what is the argument.
> I clearly said that Hardware files meaning schematics, gerber
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-02-01 09:16]:
> > Your reference to "Router Freedom" is not in the context of free
> hardware design. It is in the context of Internet providers that will
> give the Internet access to user under condition that only their
> suggested router is used. That is quite different
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-02-01 06:33]:
> > Seeing differences or making distinctions is intelligent approach, not
> seeing differences is the opposite. Let us see differences. We are in the
> discussion because we want to point out differences, find the differences
> and act or not act upon it. --
* Richard Stallman [2022-02-01 08:08]:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> > A child who knows what is
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-01-31 17:52]:
> I agree that this is a problem, but as presented FSF doesn't enable us
> to use other terms as it's too software-oriented so this is the best we
> can do even when the hardware is released under GPLv3.
I cannot see how FSF doesn't enable you to use any terms
* Jean Louis [2022-01-31 19:28]:
* Pen-Yuan Hsing [2022-01-24 20:08]:
>
> Quick note:
>
> There is the Open Source Hardware Association which maintains the definition
> of Open Source Hardware here which enshrines the four freedoms for free
> software into hardware d
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-01-26 22:18]:
> > If you can come up with a good definition of "free hardware", I might join
> in using it. -- RMS
>
> I don't see too many differences in comparison to free software so i would
> use:
Seeing differences or making distinctions is intelligent approach, not
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-01-28 23:35]:
> I disagree, majority if not all hardware has some form of indexing and
> identification. For example this 3DSimo pcb has silkscreen that identifies:
> - Production batch (teal)
> - Link to a source code (green)
> - OSHW logo indicating that it's hardware files
* Thomas Lord [2022-01-25 22:53]:
> A few thoughts on Leah's definition of "free hardware":
>
> + The gist is clear
>
> "Essentially, "free hardware" means that you can make
>the hardware yourself."
For me it is not clear. Hardware is not usually "licensed", we cannot
find common
* Dr Andrew A. Adams [2022-01-24 08:48]:
>
> Arthur Torrey wrote:
>
> > I am a member of the Artisan's Asylum maker-space (formerly in
> > Somerville, MA, temporarily shut down while moving to Allston) and
> > would dearly love to be able to make the hardware that I can draw
> > and design
* Erica Frank [2022-01-22 00:44]:
>...This is pretty much built into our genes, as three-year-olds who
>decide to do what they want without paying attention to their leaders,
>generally don't grow up to pass on those genes. Obedience to authority
>is a survival trait.
Not built
* Andrew Yu via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-01-21 18:18]:
> Good idea. I use the Guix package manager on my system. I've tried
> Guix System, but there was a problem---Guix is still heavily integrated
> with UNIX-like operating systems (GNU/Linux), where everything is
> supposed to be a file in
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-01-21 18:22]:
> I am strictly against paying for freedom,
Never in the history of mankind freedom was every free of charge.
We all pay for freedom, and we never get it. And if anyting is worth,
it is worth paying for freedom.
> but i am not against limiting freedom until
* Andrew Yu [2022-01-20 21:00]:
> On 22/01/19 07:26PM, Jean Louis wrote:
> > > Funding has always been an issue with free software.
> >
> > No, not always, I did not get that as personal impression. In fact my
> > first encounter with free software was that I have
* Arthur Torrey [2022-01-21 04:09]:
> An excellent post by Paul Fernhout, but I see one really HUGE problem, namely
> that I don't know of ANY Free Software tool or tool-chain that can get a
> person from 'beer-mat' to 'g-code' (For those not familiar with the CNC
> world, g-code is the
* Andrea Laisa [2022-01-12 23:57]:
> According his website he is a secondary school student in Shanghai, China.
And he is 50 times smarter then the rest of people I know who finished
high school.
Jean
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* Andrew Yu via libreplanet-discuss
[2022-01-12 23:59]:
> Funding has always been an issue with free software.
No, not always, I did not get that as personal impression. In fact my
first encounter with free software was that I have paid for it, and
continued paying for quite some time. Majority
* MBR [2022-01-18 22:24]:
>I live in Massachusetts, about 35 miles from the New Hampshire border.
>RMS lives jsut a few towns away. This is an interesting article, but
>other than reading the article, I don't understand what action you
>think we ought to take regarding this.
* Dennis Payne [2022-01-08 17:23]:
> On Fri, 2022-01-07 at 10:53 +0100, Ismael Luceno wrote:
> > People who value free software would publish their games as free
> > software... Why don't we have so many games then?
>
> We do have a lot of games. Obviously not as many as commercial games.
> They
On January 5, 2022 5:06:26 AM UTC, Michael McMahon
> If most game jam games ended up in standard repositories, there
>would be a negative effect on the entire ecosystem.
Ecosystem is biology.
I am conducting experiments of various kinds every day, and measure outcomes,
make hypothesis and
be given to that
> effect. Education is important, and the FSF’s criteria actively
> discourages such education; it creates a false hope that everything is
> great and wonderful, just because the software on one arbitrary level
&g
* Arthur Torrey [2021-12-02 03:00]:
> I don't have much in the way of current photos, and don't see how
> they would help much since it basically would just be 'black box'
> electronic modules.
In order to make free hardware power chairs provide clear references
to functions of it. While your
I have asked for the wheelchair pictures, functions, and did not get
it.
I would like pictures, videos or link to the product, to understand
what are those functions.
>From there on, it could be possible to work on free hardware.
Jean
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* Arthur Torrey [2021-11-17 04:12]:
> 3. Reality check - You have a repair shop - customers come to you
> with hardware that needs fixing and needs proprietary tools to do
> so. Which benefits your business more - gritting your teeth and
> using the tools, or telling the customers they made a
* Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss
[2021-11-13 17:31]:
>What if there was a combined Free Software, OSHW and Right to Repair
>group, providing ideological leadership in a peer to peer fashion via
>federated services (including Git-based code hosting) and an emphasis
>on teaching
* Arthur Torrey [2021-11-14 22:17]:
> As such, coming at folks w/ an attitude of 'proprietary is evil and
> only Free solutions are acceptable' is not going to win friends...
> We need to be willing to say that partially free / open is better
> than totally locked down, even if it needs
* Arthur Torrey [2021-11-14 22:17]:
> As I said, I was only using 'purity' for lack of a better term...
> One of the issues that I see is that there isn't always a Free (as
> in source code, might or might not be free as in beer) solution, or
> one that doesn't involve significant sacrifices...
* Michael McMahon [2021-10-28 17:23]:
> I started working on a similar distro picker concept before I started at the
> FSF, but I never finished it.
>
> My proof of concept is on my personal github:
> https://github.com/TechnologyClassroom/distro-picker
>
> It depends on a choose your own
* jahoti [2021-10-28 08:54]:
> For practical purposes, yes; it was based on someone else's first-hand
> account, the source of which I've misremembered and now cannot find.
>
> Regardless, your first-hand experience is much more informative, relevant,
> and fortunately also optimistic- thank you
* jahoti [2021-10-28 05:57]:
> > I would not call it "Freedom Ladder", you give me impression it is
> > something difficult, while I don't share that viewpoint.
>
> True as that may be, it is important to consider that switching to a
> new OS (even part-time) is a relatively large step,
* jahoti [2021-10-28 09:36]:
> > Regarding Wi-Fi, I have used USB dongles that simply work with free
> > operating systems. These I have used for years. Some Wi-Fi devices in
> > computers work without problems anyway.
> >
> > Though these last years, I don't use Wi-Fi directly, I connect to
> >
* Robert [2021-10-25 17:40]:
> Hey Paul,
>
> thanks for sharing the Distrochooser. Looks nice, works great. Gladly, I
> chose the right distro, depending on the chooser :).
This is wrong mailing list to drive people to non-free software.
Please see:
* Arthur Torrey [2021-10-26 06:51]:
> I also would point out that I AVOID the "all free" distros because I
> pick up my hardware used / salvaged and it is FAR more important to
> me that it WORKS than that I avoid binary blobs and other non-free
> stuff of that sort (I do try to minimize it, but
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