Re: Spam to Stop Spam

2003-11-04 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:15:14 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:00:54 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, surely, they wouldn't do something like *that*? My reaction exactly. But you gotta trust someone in these

Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and transition planning]

2003-11-04 Thread BOF
Michael Hipp wrote: My plan (at this moment anyway) is to use RH Enterprise WS for smallish servers and Fedora for workstations. My biggest dilemma are those systems running 7.3 - 9 that will still need security updates for months/years to come. I'm not about to reload them anytime soon.

Re: Spam to Stop Spam

2003-11-04 Thread Chong Yu Meng
Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I was kidding about the trust thing. In fact, trust no one... - Trust no one - Deny everything - The truth is out there Couldn't resist ! Sounds like the X-Files ! Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 0:53 am, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And,

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:38:39 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 0:53 am, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:53:11 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on

Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mickey Hill writes Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, one of the world's leading enterprise Linux companies, expanding Novell's ability to provide enterprise-class services and support on the Linux

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 06:55 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mickey Hill writes Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, snip The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. Novell stock is up some 30% on

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Michael Hipp
Tony Alfrey wrote: The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. So are they glad or sad? Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Alfrey wrote: The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. in a good way? or no? - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at linux-sxs.org) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org I

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:31:08 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 06:55 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mickey Hill writes Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, snip

Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire SUSE

2003-11-04 Thread Jack Berger
in'eresting http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releases/archive03/novell_suse.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:15:25 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm one of those somebodies! With Novell's customer network and SUSE's fine linux products, this is a marriage made in heaven. Eat your heart out SCO! The following is meant with a mixture of humor and seriousness.

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 09:05 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: snip ATT SVR4 - ATT SVR4.2 - Univel UnixWare - Novell UnixWare - SCO UnixWare - Caldera OpenLinux - SuSE Linux. snip Looks like you guys have bad kharma g. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 08:03 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Alfrey wrote: The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. in a good way? or no? Well, as one might expect, there are two camps. The paranoid that see EVIL in all things

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:05:48 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:15:25 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm one of those somebodies! With Novell's customer network and SUSE's fine linux products, this is a marriage made in heaven. Eat your

a good knoppix mirror

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be

Re: Spam to Stop Spam

2003-11-04 Thread R. Quenett
mutilated misquotes from Roger Oberholtzer's 4 Nov 2003 classic prose may follow: I was kidding about the trust thing. In fact, trust no one... Perhaps just a tad _too_ cynical. Always trust the dealer, and cut the cards. R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:22, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 09:05 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: snip ATT SVR4 - ATT SVR4.2 - Univel UnixWare - Novell UnixWare - SCO UnixWare - Caldera OpenLinux - SuSE Linux. snip Looks like you guys have bad kharma g. Karma shmarma.

Re: a good knoppix mirror

2003-11-04 Thread James McDonald
Collins Richey wrote: Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute. http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/knoppix/ -- James McDonald Singleton Australia 61+ (0)2 65712401 61+ 0428 320 219

Re: Spam to Stop Spam

2003-11-04 Thread David A. Bandel
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:21:15 +0800 Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I was kidding about the trust thing. In fact, trust no one... - Trust no one - Deny everything - The truth is out there Couldn't resist ! Sounds like the X-Files ! Don't

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
Collins Richey wrote: The feedback on Linux Today is a mixture of SCO take your [EMAIL PROTECTED] and stuff it, KDE will die (the Novel/XIMIAN connection), and bemoaning the loss of European control of a major linux distro. I would think(hope) that Novell has learned something since the Unix

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread dep
quoth Leon A. Goldstein: | Some of us remember what happened to DR DOS and Word Perfect after | Novell bought them. It is not auspicious IMHO. let's hope that there exists an ability to learn. as i understand it, ibm has just invested $50 million in novell, which certainly tells us something.

Re: a good knoppix mirror

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:41:15 +1100 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute.

Re: backup windows partition (fat)

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:48:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Reinehr wrote: Rather than purchase commercial software, why not just use tar, cp, dd, or partimage? Partimage will back up to a file, and restore a partition. Don't know about 'fat' partition

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:59:11 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth Leon A. Goldstein: | Some of us remember what happened to DR DOS and Word Perfect after | Novell bought them. It is not auspicious IMHO. let's hope that there exists an ability to learn. as i understand it, ibm has

Re: Question

2003-11-04 Thread Tom Wilson
On Monday 03 November 2003 04:18 pm, Rick Sivernell's voice rose above the ones in my head and stated: lIST I have a Dell Latitude cpx laptop. I have a pcmcia lan card now running perfectly, but a school they have setup a wireless system. It will auto on systems, my question is leave the

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Joel Hammer
Well, I do pay a fee to belong to the lindows warehouse. And, I got only a download, not a boxed set. No user manual, CD, etc. So, Sun didn't have too much overhead selling me this thing. Joel On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:38:39AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: I'd like to know how they can sell

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Joel Hammer
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 20:00 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular

Re: backup windows partition (fat)

2003-11-04 Thread Ken Moffat
Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:48:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Reinehr wrote: Rather than purchase commercial software, why not just use tar, cp, dd, or partimage? Partimage will back up to a file, and restore a partition. Don't know

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Bob Hemus
Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: snip I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. Oh how you will rue the day you made that

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread dep
quoth Joel Hammer: | I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am | now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to | bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more | important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, | that

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Chong Yu Meng
Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 21:16 pm, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread dep
quoth Chong Yu Meng: | That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in | their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the | youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time | being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries!

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
Did you adjust the memory settings under options - maybe that will help. I don't use SO but OpenOffice has them so I assume SO does. Joel Hammer wrote: Well, have found one drawback in SO 7. It won't open really big powerpoint presentations. On my lindows box with 620 megs, SO7 chokes on a

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 21:16 pm, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Joel Hammer
Well, have found one drawback in SO 7. It won't open really big powerpoint presentations. On my lindows box with 620 megs, SO7 chokes on a ppt of 340 megs, although it opens a ppt of 150megs just fine. On my windows laptop, with 520 megs, powerpoint handles the large file fine, but it is slow to

Re: backup windows partition (fat)

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:28:28 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:48:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Reinehr wrote: Rather than purchase commercial software, why not just use tar, cp, dd, or partimage?

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:12:26 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 20:00 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay

AutoUpdate

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
Just found on freshmeat an interesting download and update package for RPM based systems that does dependency checking. http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/ftp/autoupdate/index.html -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow,

Re: a good knoppix mirror

2003-11-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:09:36 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:41:15 +1100 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I

Re: Question

2003-11-04 Thread Rick Sivernell
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:07:58 -0500 Tom Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 04:18 pm, Rick Sivernell's voice rose above the ones in my head and stated: lIST I have a Dell Latitude cpx laptop. I have a pcmcia lan card now running perfectly, but a school they have

Re: Novell buys SuSE!

2003-11-04 Thread Alma J Wetzker
Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:55:29 -0500 Collins Richey wrote: The feedback on Linux Today is a mixture of SCO take your [EMAIL PROTECTED] and stuff it, KDE will die (the Novel/XIMIAN connection), and bemoaning the loss of European control of a major linux distro. I

Re: Star Office 7

2003-11-04 Thread Alma J Wetzker
Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:16:09 +0800 Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound