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Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

robin szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 23 October 2001 16:48, Greg McCarroll wrote: >> To celebrate Leon's imminent return to employment we shall be >> having a meeting of the CFT[2] club (which may be similar to >> Debauchery.pm) on Thursday. > > wikkid ... > > I shall take th

Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> Can you do dim sum tomorrow? > > No. However, Friday is only a prospective client mid-morning so a > couple of hours late lunchtime would work :-) Mmm... dim sum...

[gnat@oreilly.com: p5ee list active]

We talked about p5ee on this list last week. It's come up again recently on the mod_perl list and we've started a list to talk about it. There will be some good people on the list, so something might actually happen... - Forwarded message from Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From

pdcawley++

Dave... -- "Let me see you make decisions, without your television" - Depeche Mode (Stripped)

Re: pdcawley++

Dave Cross wrote: > I was wondering when that was going to show up here. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Re: pdcawley++

"Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, I know about the typo in the first paragraph. And I'm really sorry that I missed some of the names and talks out in said paragraph. You can tell me off at the next meeting I show up at. -- Piers

Re: pdcawley++

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, I know about the typo in the first paragraph. And I'm really > sorry that I missed some of the names and talks out in said paragraph. > You can tell me off at the next meeting I show up at. It's okay Piers. I've been called worse that Simon Wi

Missing Heretics

There's still been no sign of anyone stepping forward to organise the New Heretics meeting next Thursday. If the Heretics don't come up with a plan soon, then we won't be able to advertise it on the web site. And talking of meetings, the forthcoming meetings page on the web site looks a bit out

NMS

I thought that the NMS page at was automatically rebuilt from the CVS repository every (mumble) hours. Am I misremembering? I put formmail in CVS some weeks aog, but it's still not listed on the page. is more up to date

Re: NMS

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > is more up to date. formmail has been deployed live too, by me for a customer on one of our servers. Somehow there's a little thrill every time I see that (c) London Perl Mongers strapline :-) Simon. -- "I was rea

Re: pdcawley++

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >"Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I like the idea of a refactoring browser. Why not parse Perl with perl? Is this what you were thinking of? use strict; use warnings; use B::Deparse; my $stringcode; { l

Re: Missing Heretics

> There's still been no sign of anyone stepping forward to organise > the New Heretics meeting next Thursday. If the Heretics don't > come up with a plan soon, then we won't be able to advertise > it on the web site. I'll do it. Of course I'm doubly heretical because I switched from the non-heret

ANNOUNCE: New Heretics meeting

No, I'm not the leader of the New Heretics, it just seems that way. There will be a New Heretics London.pm meeting on next Thursday, that is the first of November. The New Heretics are a subset of London.pm who believe that London.pm is crazy for holding a meeting on the Thursday *after* the firs

Re: Missing Heretics

> I'll mail an announcement later today. or not. My minion appears to have done it. Muhahahahahahahahah. Muuuhahahahahahaahahahahaha. -- : "Don't worry," she said, seriously. "Most of the blood was someone else's."

Re: ANNOUNCE: New Heretics meeting

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: > who believe that London.pm is crazy for holding a meeting on the > Thursday *after* the first Thursday of the month. Hence, there is a Thursday after the first Wednesday of the month. Official meeting is on Thursday the 8th. That is all. Later. Mark

Re: pdcawley++

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (James A. Duncan) writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>"Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> > > I like the idea of a refactoring browser. Why not parse Perl with > perl? Well, yes. Actually, the odds are good that

Re: PDA questions...

mallum wrote: > > go for maybe an ipaq runing familiar [1] or intimate [2] Linux disto's > with a pcmcia sleeve. Though this could work out quite expensive and > the ipaqs become pretty bulky with a dual pcmcia sleeve. And how long do the batteries last when you start using PCMCIA cards? paul

Re: ANNOUNCE: New Heretics meeting

* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > No, I'm not the leader of the New Heretics, it just seems that way. oh no, we can't have this, its just going to confuse people, this is just downright silly ;-) its strange you chose the porterhouse, because on that very night the winner of my fan clu

Re: ANNOUNCE: New Heretics meeting

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:40:34AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: > Thursday after the first Wednesday of the month. Official meeting is on > Thursday the 8th. That is also the Thursday after the first Thursday of the month in this case, you have to admit. .robin.

Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

On Wed 24 Oct 2001, robin szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > was that thing that you and Leon fed me ~some time ago, Dim Sum? sort of > steamed things and 'stuff' .. it appeared to be veggie at the time .. or is > this a different thing involving ducks beaks in soy sauce and live monkey > bra

Re: pdcawley++

[resent because of my other email address is not subscribed - bah] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Is this what you were thinking of? > >No. At least, not until B::Deparse works on 100% of perl code. And of >course, the browser needs to come back to the user and query for the >names of the arguments

Re: pdcawley++

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 12:35:31PM +0100, James A. Duncan wrote: > I was under the impression that code spat out by B::Deparse was > passing any test that wasn't reliant on order of BEGIN blocks (and > therefore things like pragmata where a little bit squew whiff[0]). That accounts for 90% of the

Re: pdcawley++

Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 12:35:31PM +0100, James A. Duncan wrote: >> I was under the impression that code spat out by B::Deparse was >> passing any test that wasn't reliant on order of BEGIN blocks (and >> therefore things like pragmata where a little bit

Re: tube stations

On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 10:37:58PM -0400, Mike Jarvis wrote: > Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 8:52:26 PM, Redvers Davies wrote: > > >> BA is running a half price special. Only $5k for now. I'm sure it > >> will go back up when people forget that for deaths/hours flown it's > >> the deadliest plane

Re: NMS

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I thought that the NMS page at > was automatically rebuilt from the CVS repository every (mumble) > hours. Am I misremembering? > there has been some changes to CVS and there is no NMS on there now, if you want to

i18n and time

Quick question, what do I want to be reading first when it comes to getting up to speed on i18n and time. I need to convert gmt into local time formats. Current plan (i.e. my gut reaction) is to use Time::Piece in gm mode (all systems are going to run in GMT) and add on the current time zone off

Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Remember that Dim Sum isn't exactly vegetarian friendly. He said doing > that 'understatement' thing. Yeah no frickin' kidding. I've been twice with my fiance & her family, and I'll be [a] the only vegetarian at the table, and [b] the only one that

Re: i18n and time

Mark Fowler wrote: > Quick question, what do I want to be reading first when it comes to > getting up to speed on i18n and time. Well, "the" Perl, Unicode, and i18n FAQ is at http://rf.net/~james/perli18n.html . > I need to convert gmt into local time formats. Current plan > (i.e. my gut react

Re: i18n and time

Mark Fowler wrote: > I need to convert gmt into local time formats. On glancing over the "Perl, Unicode, and i18n FAQ", I found this question: "How do I manage time zones in Perl?" http://rf.net/~james/perli18n.html#Q30c It says, among other things, "ICU/picu is probably your best bet to do mor

Re: i18n and time

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 01:30:08PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: > Quick question, what do I want to be reading first when it comes to > getting up to speed on i18n and time. > > Replies of the form "go read this url" probably expected. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Reefknot

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Hmm, this is where admit I'm crap and provide the CFT club with something to ponder. I have made pairwise comparisons of a few thousand flies and stored the similarity scores in a *large* file in a particular order (to save me storing their names and making the file even bigger). e.g. fly0_vers

Re: NMS

From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/24/01 1:40:46 PM > there has been some changes to CVS and there is no NMS on > there now, Was this a result of the recent r00ting? Call me old fashioned, but if I put code under source code control then I like it to stay there until I remove i

Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Lucy McWilliam wrote: > if ($i == $x) { > $position{$n} = 1; > } > if ($j == $x) { > $position{$n} = 1; > } This looks as if it can be reduced to if ($i == $x || $j == $x) { $position{$n} = 1; } >open(OUT, ">$x); W

Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:21:25PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: > Lucy McWilliam wrote: > > >open(OUT, ">$x); > > Wot, no error checking? Or close quote. Nick -- ($O= #\ /#{O$}xb| q|HHHNIiHIHIHNNI{HHHiiHiiI|^#\/#(|}OM:-#+(

Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Is there a reason that you have to use flat text files to store these data? (It seems like borderline insanity, not that that need be a bad thing). If you had the information in an RDBMS, it would be much easier to generate the sort of report you want (and would probably be quicker too). .robin

Re: pdcawley++

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Is this what you were thinking of? > >No. At least, not until B::Deparse works on 100% of perl code. And of >course, the browser needs to come back to the user and query for the >names of the arguments and of the method, replace the code with a >method call, preferably

keyboards

Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? -- http://www.the-anathema.org "If this is dying, I don't think much of it." - Lytton Strachey

Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Newton, Philip wrote: > Lucy McWilliam wrote: > > if ($n) { > > print OUT "$key\n"; > > } else { > > print OUT "$key\n"; > > } > > Huh? > if(condition) { do stuff } else { do same stuff anyway } ? Oops, I deleted a bit to make it more rea

Re: keyboards

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:30:13AM -0400, Mz anathema wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? Wash it under the tap, and leave it to dry thoroughly (upside down somewhere warm). Sounds mad, but it's worked for me in the past. Remember to unplug it first :-) .r

Re: keyboards

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Mz anathema wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? Fish it out of the bowl? Tell the waiter there's a keyboard in your soup. What's it doing? Typing. Oh. -- Chris Devers "People with machines that think, will in times of crisis,

Re: keyboards

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:30:13AM -0400, Mz anathema wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? Take it apart. Wash it in clean water. DO NOT RUB IT, but dab with a sponge or similar. When clean, dry with a clean lint-free cloth - again, dabbing it, not rubbing.

Re: keyboards

Mz anathema wrote: > Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? Disconnect, soak in water to remove sticky stuff, leave to dry, reconnect? Disclaimer: use at your own risk. (For "bread crumbs in keyboard" I also heard "leave outside for ants to pick clean".) Cheers, Phili

Re: NMS

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 08:19:39AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: > My latest work was checked into CVS on Penderel. I'll check and > see what I've got in my local copy. I would guess that what you checked into CVS is still in /home/cvsroot.old/nms Presumably that could easily be copied into the new C

Re: NMS

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 10/24/01 1:40:46 PM > > > there has been some changes to CVS and there is no NMS on > > there now, > > Was this a result of the recent r00ting? indirectly yes, one of the volunteer admins asked if the

Re: NMS

From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/24/01 5:05:22 PM >> If the CVS repository on Penderel is going to be >> transitory, then maybe I'll have to store it elsewhere. > > there seems to be some new projects now stored under CVS, > however as the guys who admin the box do so on a >

Re: NMS

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:05:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > however as the guys who admin the box do so on a voluntary basis, i > would take a personal backup of anything important you put on the > box Where's the logic in that? Are volunteers more likely to make mistakes resulting in

Re: keyboards

> Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? Yes, tip the keyboard up vertically... then you can recover the soup as it drips out.

Re: keyboards

> Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? 1) leave soup to dry out 2) press keys 3) shake keyboard for alphabet soup paul -- Paul Sharpe Tel: +44 (20) 7407 5557 Miraclefish Ltd. Fax: +44 (20) 7378 8711 Studio 12 mailto

Re: NMS

> > however as the guys who admin the box do so on a voluntary basis, i > Where's the logic in that? Are volunteers more likely to make > mistakes resulting in data loss than paid admins? Personally I expect Greg is reffering to accountability and sueability.

Re: NMS

* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > It seems a little insulting to the "voluntary admins" (whoever they > may be) to suggest that they're more likely to make mistakes than > "highly paid professionals"... i was more implying that you had the right to bitch at paid professionals, with the

Re: NMS

* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Now I remember why I stopped drinking at lunchtimes. > I have considered stopping my mail server from sending after pub closing time and then presenting me a list of what i like to term, "Crap you wanted to send last night when pissed" the next mornin

Re: NMS

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:45:39PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > i was more implying that you had the right to bitch at paid > professionals, with the people who currently admin the box the only > right you have is to buy them beer ;-) I agree :-) sorry I misunderstood you .robin. -- "Image

Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > Fly ranking problem. Right, let me get this straight. You have a big old list of data that has scores of X verses Y. What you want is rankings for each X verses Y. I suggest you first modify your data lines to contain both the name of the X and the

i18n and time.

A quicky question. What do I want to read about i18n and time. Current plan is to do something with. -- s'' Mark Fowler London.pm Bath.pm http://www.twoshortplanks.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ';use Term'Cap;$t=Tgetent Term'Cap{};print$t->Tput

Re: i18n and time.

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: > A quicky question. > > What do I want to read about i18n and time. Current plan is to do > something with. Wow, deja vu all over again. Sorry Mark. -- s'' Mark Fowler London.pm Bath.pm http://www.twoshortp

Re: keyboards

Quoting David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:30:13AM -0400, Mz anathema wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? > > > Alternatively, just buy a new keyboard. > Given the low cost of a decent keyboard ( ~1000 BEF, 25 euro) I'd sugge

Re: NMS

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 04:30:09PM +, Redvers Davies wrote: > > > however as the guys who admin the box do so on a voluntary basis, i > > Where's the logic in that? Are volunteers more likely to make > > mistakes resulting in data loss than paid admins? Personally > I expect Greg is reffering

Re: keyboards

Kris Boulez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Quoting David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:30:13AM -0400, Mz anathema wrote: >> > Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? >> >> >> Alternatively, just buy a new keyboard. >> > Given the low cost o

Re: keyboards

Kris Boulez wrote: > > Quoting David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:30:13AM -0400, Mz anathema wrote: > > > Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard? > > > > > > Alternatively, just buy a new keyboard. > > > Given the low cost of a decent keybo

Re: tube stations

On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 06:33:57PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 02:29:28AM +0100, robin szemeti wrote: > > > and even if it were true it would still make it X times safer than driving a > > car. > > Certainly safer than driving a car across the Atlantic. ... and if yo

Re: keyboards

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 08:16:01PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Kris Boulez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Quoting David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:30:13AM -0400, Mz anathema wrote: > >> > Can anyone suggest a good way to recover a soup-soaked keyboard?

Re: keyboards

Sue Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My other half used to do desktop admin years ago and reports that people > get all sorts of disgusting filth in their keyboards on a regular basis. > Turn your own keyboard upside down and see what comes out. :) Last time I did this, it was a disturbing am

Re: Be afraid. Be very afraid.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 04:15:08PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > > Hmm, this is where admit I'm crap and provide the CFT club with something > to ponder. I have made pairwise comparisons of a few thousand flies > and stored the similarity scores in a *large* file in a particular order > (to sav

Re: ANNOUNCE: New Heretics meeting

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:40:34AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: > > (who believes one day, one day, perl mongers will learn to use dates) But when will they learn how to *get* dates... :-) -- David H. Adler - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ perl -e '$_ = (join "", (map (chr, (shi

Re: keyboards

From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 25 euros I can promise you it won't be a decent keyboard. If it's > not really heavy and made by someone who's licensed the IBM buckling > spring patent then it's not worth having. (Unless it's a maltron...) Hear, hear! At the risk of touching off another flame war

Re: ANNOUNCE: New Heretics meeting

David H. Adler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> (who believes one day, one day, perl mongers will learn to use dates) >But when will they learn how to *get* dates... When every other person on the world dies of a very specific virus, of course. Bwahahahahaha. Ahem. -- http://www.the-anathema.org "I

Re: keyboards

On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:39:35PM +0100, Other wrote: > At the risk of touching off another flame war on the scale of last week's > discussion on religion, the only keyboards worth having are the original IBM > extended AT keyboards ... > > So there. Flame away - whatever you throw at me my keyb

Re: keyboards

David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Heh. [pulls out Ye Olde Sunne Keyboard] [pulls out random DEC >battleship] [bangs them together like what they do in the movies with >swords] >Sun type 4 keyboards are very good indeed. If you want a PeeCee keyboard, >the best I've used is an old IBM PS

Re: keyboards

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, anathema wrote: > David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sun type 4 keyboards are very good indeed. If you want a PeeCee > > keyboard, the best I've used is an old IBM PS/2 jobbie. Presumably > > the same mechanism as in the AT hunk o' steel. > > Does it stand up to

Re: keyboards

Lucy McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Does it stand up to soup? I loved my last keyboard, it's a pity that I've >>had to replace it. >What flavour soup was it? Noodle flavour. -- http://www.the-anathema.org "My cat keeps bringing home dead wildlife. Came down yesterday morning and there w