From: Edward Martin [mailto:e...@gamutstrings.com]
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:26 AM
To: Eugene C. Braig IV; ' Mathias Rösel '; 'Edward Martin'
Cc: 'Lutelist'
Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
Out of curiosity, how does Adirondack (picea
rubens) st
est,
Eugene
> -Original Message-
> From: Edward Martin [mailto:e...@gamutstrings.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:26 AM
> To: Eugene C. Braig IV; ' Mathias Rösel '; 'Edward Martin'
> Cc: 'Lutelist'
> Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of
thias Rösel '; 'Edward Martin'
> Cc: 'Lutelist'
> Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
>
> Out of curiosity, how does Adirondack (picea
> rubens) stack up for nylon strung guitars?
>
> ed
>
> At 09:03 AM 10/2/2009, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
>
02, 2009 5:29 AM
> To: Edward Martin
> Cc: Lutelist
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
>
> "Edward Martin" schrieb:
> > Yes, good wood is not cheap. You mentioned
> > spruce... I received my 11-course lute a week
> > ago! It had an accident, and the
ppropriate wood."
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Jaroslaw Lipski
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Mustafa Umut Sarac"
> > > To: "howard posner"
> > > Cc:
&
age-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> Behalf Of "Mathias Rösel"
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:29 AM
> To: Edward Martin
> Cc: Lutelist
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
>
> "Edward Martin" schrieb:
> > > sounded more like an old pot than a true lute. Whoever wishes to have a
> > > good-sounding instrument will choose good and appropriate wood."
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Jaroslaw Lipski
> > >
> > >
> > > - O
instrument will choose good and appropriate wood."
>
> Best
>
> Jaroslaw Lipski
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mustafa Umut Sarac"
> To: "howard posner"
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:24 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re
t;
>Alfred
>in Berkeley
>
>--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
>
> > From: Eugene C. Braig IV
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
> > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:25 PM
> >Hmmm, an
t Sarac"
> To: "howard posner"
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:24 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
>
>
> > There are some people wastes 50 years to create their art designs
> > cheapest , no need to cnc lathes and enviroment
and appropriate wood."
Best
Jaroslaw Lipski
- Original Message -
From: "Mustafa Umut Sarac"
To: "howard posner"
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:24 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
There are some people wastes 50 years to create their art d
I have the remains of a very old Hachez lute whose top had come off, and we now
use it as a curious salad bowl...
Alfred
in Berkeley
--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
> From: Eugene C. Braig IV
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Da
; Eugene C. Braig IV
Cc: dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
While I don't think I will try and string up my pots and pans, I would
probably buy a set of pots that looked like various historic lutes.
Imagine the theorb
There are some people wastes 50 years to create their art designs
cheapest , no need to cnc lathes and enviromentally friendly.
I gave my 25 years to studying this kind of stuff.
If you look to Luigi Colani , he creates whatever he wants with hot
wire cut foam.
I think this is
m: [1]howard posner
To: [2]Eugene C. Braig IV
Cc: [3]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us ; [4]'morgan cornwall' ;
[5]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
On Oct 1, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote
On Oct 1, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
> Merrill managed to pull off aluminum-backed instruments in the late
> 19th c:
> http://www.mugwumps.com/aluminum.htm
>
> Of course, they did have a wooden strip at the edge of shell for
> joining
> soundboard. I've handled guitars and Neapo
ugene
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> Behalf Of dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:36 PM
> To: morgan cornwall
> Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
From what I can see of it, I think this lute looks great. Interestingly
enough, the bowl is wood and it's the top that is carbon fiber.
- Original Message -
From: "Bruno Fournier"
To: "Mark Probert"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:59 PM
Subjec
> I wonder if you could relatively inexpensively construct a lute (the bowl,
> at minimum) from carbon fiber (like some acoustic guitars) or molded
> plastic
> (like an Ovation guitar), and what it would sound like?
Plastic was tried by EMS/Bradford (or was it cast resin?)
Carbon fiber would be
> (think of Altos and their Baroque plastic recorders, which can be
> phenomenally good but they ain't wood).
Molds for plastic are capable of the precision needed to churn out
instruments that are acousitcally similar, making post-mold tuning
unnecessary.
So long as the instrument is blown by a
I don't think you've understood the problem at hear.A It is not about
the material, and BTW carbon fiber lute was done as an experiment by
Charles Besnainou in France back in the 80's:A
[1]http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.josephcurtinstudios
.com/news/strad/apr99/ima
Kevin wrote:
KK> Carbon fiber is not exactly an inexpensive alternative...
KK> requires a pretty high level of skilled labor.
KK> Maybe in China it could be cost effective to try it, but there are
KK> other problems still, as Mark suggests ("the look of the thing") in
KK> having it accepte
Carbon fiber is not exactly an inexpensive alternative. As things
stand now, it still requires a pretty high level of skilled labor.
Maybe in China it could be cost effective to try it, but there are
other problems still, as Mark suggests ("the look of the thing") in
having it accepted- t
Morgan wrote:
mc> I wonder if you could relatively inexpensively construct a lute (the bowl,
mc> at minimum) from carbon fiber (like some acoustic guitars) or molded
plastic
mc> (like an Ovation guitar), and what it would sound like?
mc>
I was wondering this exact thing myself, with more th
The did this back in the 1908s? I think these lutes were made by Ian
Harwood and John Issacs. I am not sure of all the reasons why they are
not still around.
Nancy
I wonder if you could relatively inexpensively construct a lute (the
bowl, at minimum) from carbon fiber (like
I wonder if you could relatively inexpensively construct a lute (the bowl,
at minimum) from carbon fiber (like some acoustic guitars) or molded plastic
(like an Ovation guitar), and what it would sound like?
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Hi, all,
All good points, Seth, and I think another aspect is the desires of the
lute builders. If one perfected the $500 lute, one would end up
running a factory, not making instruments. Most lute builders, I
suspect, would rather make instruments than run a factory. And
conv
>So the thread about student lutes and costs has got my brain working...
>and let me state right away that by profession I am a business man and
>not am musician.
Then as a businessman you know enough to begin with a market survey.
The mailing lists of the various lute societys are a
Thanks for the thoughtful and passionate responses. Apologies to
Bruno! Didn't mean to upset anyone's sensibilities.
Items are worth what people are willing to pay - obviously - but it's
actually more complicated then that. An iphone was $700 a few years
ago, and now they are $200
On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Seth Appel wrote:
> I am a business man and
>not am musician...
> ...it escapes
> me why there are not cheap but OK lutes in the marketplace.
Sure, there are 300 dollar Yamaha CG's hanging on the walls of every
music store in the civilized world. But that's becau
Seth wrote:
SA>So the thread about student lutes and costs has got my brain working...
SA>and let me state right away that by profession I am a business man and
SA>not am musician.
SA>
I would also think that the primary market for these instruments would
be the Eastern oud market.
Because a good Lute by a master craftsman is more a work of art than the sum
total of a bunch of wooden elements shaped by hand and glued together. Most
who play the Lute can tell from the quality of the sound whether the Lute is
the work of skill and artistry or the product of some sort of pai
Dear Seth,
All of those..
Materials, Labor, Know-how and the fact that are so few lutenists around
the world.
In Romania... we are just few (maximum 10) of us and the population is
23 millions
Selling en-gros makes the price lower.
If you buy a Pakistani lute, as mister Lorinczi said, you have
Hello,
A
I can't believe your question.A That's the most ridiculous thinking.
A
With your thinking, then why are paintings so expensive? is it
materials? is it labour?A A What about a Mercedes Benz versus a
Hyundai made in Korea? is that labour? is that materials? is that
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