Re: dealing with non-GTK windows

2007-10-24 Thread Tapani Pälli
Hello; ext Austin Che wrote: Tapani Pälli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Is it possible to force such a window into fullscreen? I don't care if it needs to be done manually. For example, is it possible to have a program that takes whatever window is currently on top/in

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Riku Voipio wrote: Mohammed Hassan wrote: It would be interesting to take our current translations and mine them for the logical ids that map to the same Engineering English, but at the same time have different translations in some language. These are the cases where we would need

Re: Themes for MAEMO platform

2007-10-24 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext madhuri wrote: I am new to MAEMO platform. I have installed Mamemo3.x successfully able to see hildon desktop. Now my aim is to view the themes for SDK_X86 target. While doing google search I found that themes are available only for ARM target. Are you talking about the 3rd party

scratchbox problem after new installation

2007-10-24 Thread Mathias Uebelacker
Hello, after installation, solving the resolve problem (thanks to Marius) and installing python via apt-get the basic problem is still the same. Every time i call the run-standalone.sh ./myscript.py i get the error: File ./myscript.py, line 2, in ? import gtk ImportError: No module named

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Marius Vollmer
Mohammed Hassan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 14:01 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Mohammed Hassan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'd propose is we/I replace the logical IDs with Engineering English in the POT files you use to translate and convert them back upon

maemo 3.2 Bora released with minor updates

2007-10-24 Thread Quim Gil
Maemo 3.2 Bora [1] consists of a minor release based on the Nokia Internet Tablet OS 2007 edition, feature upgrade [2]. It is fully compatible with the previous 3.x versions. Upgrading to this version is highly recommended in order to get the latest stable code and bugfixes. Developers using maemo

maemo 4.0 Chinook beta SDK released

2007-10-24 Thread quim.gil
Nokia has released the beta version of the maemo 4.0 SDK http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_beta_sdk.html , codenamed Chinook (shortcut http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/unstable/chinook-beta/ for the impatient). Developers are encouraged to port their applications from maemo 3.x Bora

Re: dealing with non-GTK windows

2007-10-24 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Tapani Pälli wrote: ext Austin Che wrote: Tapani Pälli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Is it possible to force such a window into fullscreen? I don't care if it needs to be done manually. For example, is it possible to have a program that takes whatever window is

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Mohammed Hassan
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:12 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: The problem is the logical IDs are needed to maintain the smooth process. It's not easy to simply drop them. I did not say it's impossible. I didn't say it'll be done or it'll not. I'm just saying that they are needed ;-) This

Re: scratchbox problem after new installation

2007-10-24 Thread vicente garcia
Hi, is there a correct lib path? On 10/24/07, Mathias Uebelacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, after installation, solving the resolve problem (thanks to Marius) and installing python via apt-get the basic problem is still the same. Every time i call the run-standalone.sh ./myscript.py i

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread David Weinehall
On ons, 2007-10-24 at 12:47 +0300, ext Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:12 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: The problem is the logical IDs are needed to maintain the smooth process. It's not easy to simply drop them. I did not say it's impossible. I didn't say it'll be done

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Mohammed Hassan
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:54 +0300, David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-10-24 at 12:47 +0300, ext Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:12 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: The problem is the logical IDs are needed to maintain the smooth process. It's not easy to simply drop them.

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread David Weinehall
On ons, 2007-10-24 at 14:14 +0300, Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:54 +0300, David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-10-24 at 12:47 +0300, ext Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:12 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: The problem is the logical IDs are needed to

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-10-24 at 12:47 +0300, ext Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:12 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: The problem is the logical IDs are needed to maintain the smooth process. It's not easy to simply drop them. I did not say it's impossible. I

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Marius Vollmer
David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] but as a programmer I cannot be happy until we get proper strings that have the same parameter format as the real strings, to allow for proper argument checking by the compiler. Yes, but this is independent from whether we use logical ids or

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Mohammed Hassan
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:15 +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, And if you want to check the translation for common errors, something like this can be used: https://gramps.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gramps/branches/gramps22/po/check_po (which of course doesn't work with our unique ID because

ARM MMU questions

2007-10-24 Thread Simon Pickering
Hello all, I'm looking to share the framebuffer between the ARM CPU and DSP and therefore would like to ask a few questions about the ARM MMU and in particular TLBs. When I try mapping the framebuffer the following messages appear in dmesg: [10790.375152] omapdsp: 3 frame buffers found. we use

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Mohammed Hassan
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:19 +0300, David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-10-24 at 14:14 +0300, Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:54 +0300, David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-10-24 at 12:47 +0300, ext Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:12 +0300, Marius Vollmer

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Kimmo Hämäläinen
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 12:12 +0300, ext Marius Vollmer wrote: ... For example, I have 9 logical ids that map to OK, and 9 that map to Cancel in the hildon-application-manager .po file: $ msgunfmt /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/hildon-application-manager.mo | grep -B 1 'OK'

Repositories mess: conclusions and actions

2007-10-24 Thread Quim Gil
This is an invitation to resume all previous discussions about the repository mess and come up with conclusions and actions. Please read this through and have a say, specially if you are maintaining a repository with maemo packages out of maemo.org MISSION To provide the simplest interface for

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Marius Vollmer
Kimmo Hämäläinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong. It would depend on the context and language. Yes, it COULD, fer-crying-out-loudly. :) We have the data now to figure out whether it actually DOES for the set of our supported languages. And what happens when you add a new, more

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Mohammed Hassan
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: Also, how do you know whether I use the correct context in my code? Maybe I am using ai_bd_ok for all my OK buttons? Testing will reveal it. In general, we should try to reduce the need for context and complicated translations. The

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example, I have 9 logical ids that map to OK, and 9 that map to Cancel in the hildon-application-manager .po file: $ msgunfmt /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/hildon-application-manager.mo | grep -B 1 'OK' msgid

Re: ARM MMU questions

2007-10-24 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Simon Pickering wrote: Hello all, I'm looking to share the framebuffer between the ARM CPU and DSP and therefore would like to ask a few questions about the ARM MMU and in particular TLBs. Most probably it is related to DSP MMU not ARM MMU but I am not sure. Until now I thought TLB

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We change the code. Simple. Providing unneeded context is bad in my opinion, and the way we do it with the logical ids is excessivly ugly. Also, we provide excessive context, but not very relevant context. Take ai_bd_new_repository_ok as an

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Kimmo Hämäläinen
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: Kimmo Hämäläinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong. It would depend on the context and language. Yes, it COULD, fer-crying-out-loudly. :) We have the data now to figure out whether it actually DOES for the set of our supported

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Kimmo Hämäläinen
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 15:14 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Marius Vollmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We change the code. Simple. Providing unneeded context is bad in my opinion, and the way we do it with the logical ids is excessivly ugly. Also, we provide excessive context, but not

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Guillem Jover
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:56:46 +0300, ext Marius Vollmer wrote: In general, we should try to reduce the need for context and complicated translations. The classical example might: Searched in %d files and %d directories. You will never be able to translate this nicely for all languages

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread David Weinehall
On ons, 2007-10-24 at 14:41 +0300, Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:19 +0300, David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-10-24 at 14:14 +0300, Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:54 +0300, David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-10-24 at 12:47 +0300, ext Mohammed Hassan

Future development

2007-10-24 Thread Richard Booth
Hi I read a reasonable review of the N810 here, http://stuff.tv/blogs/future/archive/2007/10/17/hands-on-with-the-nokia-n810.aspx I'm about to have a go at maemo development, but I have question about the future and openness to develop. The review linked above, touches on the possibility of a

Re: scratchbox problem after new installation

2007-10-24 Thread Luciano Miguel Wolf
Hi, Did you start a Xephyr (or something that opens a X display) and run af-sb-init.sh start inside scratchbox? PyGtk requires an active display to be loaded properly. More info about Xephyr steps at: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html#settingup

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Igor Stoppa
Hi, On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 15:14 +0300, ext Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: Kimmo Hämäläinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong. It would depend on the context and language. Yes, it COULD, fer-crying-out-loudly. :) We have the data now to

Re: Repositories mess: conclusions and actions

2007-10-24 Thread Neil Jerram
Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is an invitation to resume all previous discussions about the repository mess and come up with conclusions and actions. Please read this through and have a say, specially if you are maintaining a repository with maemo packages out of maemo.org This all

Re: Repositories mess: conclusions and actions

2007-10-24 Thread Andrew Flegg
On 10/24/07, Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This all sounds very positive to me. The only thing I'd add is that Nokia/Maemo should consider providing a auto-builder service for Maemo packages, [...] Agreed, and as you reference mud-builder later on, I've *no* problem in the Maemo team

Re: GStreamer PCM sink stuttering/dropouts...

2007-10-24 Thread Nils Faerber
Stefan Kost schrieb: Hi, Hi! Nils Faerber schrieb: I am playing around with some GStreamer hacking and try to output a simply WAV file. In general this works even on commandline: gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=./wsh.wav \! wavparse \! dsppcmsink any wav? or is it specific format? whats

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Mohammed Hassan
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 15:26 +0300, David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-10-24 at 14:41 +0300, Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:19 +0300, David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-10-24 at 14:14 +0300, Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 13:54 +0300, David Weinehall

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:15 +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: And if you want to check the translation for common errors, something like this can be used: https://gramps.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gramps/branches/gramps22/po/check_po (which of course doesn't work with

Re: scratchbox problem after new installation

2007-10-24 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 10:27:34AM +0200, Mathias Uebelacker wrote: after installation, solving the resolve problem (thanks to Marius) and installing python via apt-get the basic problem is still the same. Every time i call the run-standalone.sh ./myscript.py i get the error: File

Re: Repositories mess: conclusions and actions

2007-10-24 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Neil Jerram wrote: Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is an invitation to resume all previous discussions about the repository mess and come up with conclusions and actions. Please read this through and have a say, specially if you are maintaining a repository with maemo

Re: scratchbox problem after new installation

2007-10-24 Thread vicente garcia
The perl version problem was fixed in the others mails :) On 10/24/07, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 10:27:34AM +0200, Mathias Uebelacker wrote: after installation, solving the resolve problem (thanks to Marius) and installing python via apt-get the basic

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Mohammed Hassan
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 16:03 +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:15 +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote: And if you want to check the translation for common errors, something like this can be used:

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Mohammed Hassan
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 15:33 +0300, ext Igor Stoppa wrote: Hi, On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 15:14 +0300, ext Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: Kimmo Hämäläinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong. It would depend on the context and language.

Re: Maemo SDK 4.x beta

2007-10-24 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, ext Klaus Rotter wrote: Rafael Proença schrieb: Is this a bug or a new feature? Neither. This is called API break, as you can see here: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html and some recents clues here:

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 03:08:13PM +0300, Mohammed Hassan wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 14:56 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: In general, we should try to reduce the need for context and complicated translations. The classical example might: Searched in %d files and %d directories.

Re: Repositories mess: conclusions and actions

2007-10-24 Thread Neil Jerram
Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This doesn't necessarily need to be provided by Nokia, autobuild could be also provided by some external party. True. Perhaps, as this thread develops, Nokia will indicate whether or not they might look at doing this. Then, if the indication is no, I

Re: Maemo SDK 4.x beta

2007-10-24 Thread Fred Lefévère-Laoide
And changing the name of libraries for pkgconfig Eero Tamminen a écrit : Hi, ext Klaus Rotter wrote: Rafael Proença schrieb: Is this a bug or a new feature? Neither. This is called API break, as you can see here:

Re: Repositories mess: conclusions and actions

2007-10-24 Thread Antonio Orlando
MISSION To provide the simplest interface for end users to get good quality third party software that downloads and installs flawlessly, without compromising their default system. [...] I know I'm adding something a bit out-of-the-rails, but I think this subject is very important, and I

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Marius Vollmer
Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In general, we should try to reduce the need for context and complicated translations. The classical example might: Searched in %d files and %d directories. You will never be able to translate this nicely for all languages because of the wierd

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread David Weinehall
On ons, 2007-10-24 at 17:53 +0300, ext Marius Vollmer wrote: Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In general, we should try to reduce the need for context and complicated translations. The classical example might: Searched in %d files and %d directories. You will never be

Re: Repositories mess: conclusions and actions

2007-10-24 Thread Kees Jongenburger
On 10/24/07, Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is an invitation to resume all previous discussions about the repository mess and come up with conclusions and actions. Please read this through and have a say, specially if you are maintaining a

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Eero Tamminen
Hi, Marius Vollmer wrote: Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In general, we should try to reduce the need for context and complicated translations. The classical example might: Searched in %d files and %d directories. You will never be able to translate this nicely for all

Re: OS2008 pre-built image for download

2007-10-24 Thread Levi Bard
As commented when we announced the last 2006 Hacker Edition, there are plans and ongoing work to bring the HE up to Chinook levels. Note that this is not the same as offering the OS2008 for the 770. This is great news - I'm looking forward to (someday) flashing ChinookHE. :-D -- Tak does not

gps listener

2007-10-24 Thread Brad Midgley
Hey Is there a way with the gps api to watch the gpsd/gps status without affecting it? I'd like to leave an app running which doesn't force gpsd startup gps power-on but would use it whenever another app has started it... hopefully such an app would not force the gps to stay on... fwiw, I

RE: ARM MMU questions

2007-10-24 Thread Simon Pickering
I'm looking to share the framebuffer between the ARM CPU and DSP and therefore would like to ask a few questions about the ARM MMU and in particular TLBs. Most probably it is related to DSP MMU not ARM MMU but I am not sure. Until now I thought TLB (translation look-aside buffer) is

Re: Audio in on N800 and N810

2007-10-24 Thread Klaus Rotter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software are you using for PSK-31? A hildon modified version of gpsk31, which I call MaemoPSK31. GPSK31 uses plain gtk calls to build its gui, so there weren't that much changes to get it running on the N800. I modified the waterfall code and of course the gui to

Re: ARM MMU questions

2007-10-24 Thread Frantisek Dufka
Simon Pickering wrote: (i.e. see my shared memory example code I sent to the list a few weeks ago, which runs on both 770 and N800). Yes, I've seen it. Please don't stop with such examples :-) Yes, that's why it's not mapped, but there shouldn't necessarily be any reason why it can't be

Re: Audio in on N800 and N810

2007-10-24 Thread david . hagood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software are you using for PSK-31? Interesting. I had wanted to port GMFSK over, but haven't had the time. What I was hoping to do was to use USB master mode to drive an external serial port and external sound device. Do you have any ideas on the CPU loading the

Re: Repositories mess: conclusions and actions

2007-10-24 Thread Krischan Keitsch
Am Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2007 schrieb Quim Gil: This is an invitation to resume all previous discussions about the repository mess and come up with conclusions and actions. Please read this through and have a say, specially if you are maintaining a repository with maemo packages out of

Re: ARM MMU questions

2007-10-24 Thread Simon Pickering
(i.e. see my shared memory example code I sent to the list a few weeks ago, which runs on both 770 and N800). Yes, I've seen it. Please don't stop with such examples :-) Don't worry, there are more things in the pipeline :) Yes, that's why it's not mapped, but there shouldn't necessarily

[EMAIL PROTECTED] for extras apps (was Re: Steve's Ranty Review...)

2007-10-24 Thread Quim Gil
PreS: moving this to maemo-developers since the target is clearly developers. On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 17:59 +, ext Steve Greenland wrote: Well, that just means that there would need to be a single BTS for the extra repository, which would be a good thing. Expecting users to track down

Re: Cisco leap support for maemo / wpa-supplicant

2007-10-24 Thread Kalle Valo
ext Rainer Dorsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since wpa-supplicant is supporting leap since a long time, does anybody know, if wpa-supplicant supports the cx3110x chip? Not yet. The Wireless Extension interface in cx3110x does not support WE-18 which wpa_supplicant needs. -- Kalle Valo

Re: Repositories mess: conclusions and actions

2007-10-24 Thread Quim Gil
On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 00:00 +0200, ext Krischan Keitsch wrote: What kind of rules do you have in mind yet? Almost no rules in mind. We'd prefer community minds to come up with the process. This includes community developers that also happen to work at Nokia (this is the case for some authors

Re: Maemo SDK 4.x beta

2007-10-24 Thread Tapani Pälli
ext Kemal Hadimli wrote: Speaking of, does the SDL in Chinook (well, when used with python/pygame) allow the XF86XK_Phone (0x1008ff6e) keycode to be passed along? See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/25147 for explanation. If it does not work and works in desktop

Anyone know where to get the VMWare application for maemo development?

2007-10-24 Thread Jason Whelan
please excuse my stupidity if this has been posted somewhere and I missed it, but what's the root password for this VM image? Thanks Jason ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org

Re: Maemo localization to officially non-supported languages

2007-10-24 Thread Quim Gil
On Wed, 2007-10-24 at 18:22 +0300, ext Eero Tamminen wrote: [1] A former collegue of mine had implemented the Finnish language morphological model in Z-code, but it needed over 64Kb i.e. more than the old adventure games written in Z-code... :-) Which is a mathematical proof that learning