lly mark you as a spammer. Unless you actually are a
spammer, you're not going to get enough Scomp reports to show up on
their radar, and you can pretty much safely ignore them.
At least, that's what we've been told by the AOL representative we
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mode. If you don't want that, the you need to
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not had to unsubscribe and ban everyone from a given domain,
but I've come close.
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ards to this particular area. They may have made
improvements in lots of other areas, but this is one area where they have
gone way backwards.
julie:vancleef:$ uptime
9:54am up 194 day(s), 17:24, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01,
0.02
And I've had machines with an uptime ov
owing cron jobs to run under a specific userid, even if they were
in the /etc/cron.allow list, unless the user had a valid password
hash and a valid shell.
One of the more screwed-up things I've seen from a Solaris box
lately, I tell you
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the entry at <http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9>.
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Right, that's exactly what it's supposed to do. This is the program that
runs every five minutes to gateway any news articles to/from selected
newsgroups.
Can someone suggest a fix?
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that Mailman can help you with. Go to the FAQ section of the Mailman wiki
at <http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions>, and search
for "throttle".
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te to be done in the MTA, not the mailing list manager.
In Sendmail, postfix, or Exim, it should be pretty easy to make these kinds
of changes by changing your "masquerade" database to rewrite these kinds of
addresses.
I have no idea how this concept might be applied to your MTA, how
's why you want these values set to be low, because when you
multiple large attachments by hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of
recipients, you start talking about gigatbytes and terabytes of storage
required, and gigabytes and terabytes of data that has to be transmitted to
all r
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Formal specs? No. But you can see the page at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbox> for an informal discussion of the
subject.
Note that this page links to another page at
<http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/mail-mbox-formats.html>
that actuall
parate one message from the next.
Before you start mucking about with this, I would encourage you to read up
on what Eudora screwed up, so that you'll have a better idea of what you
need to fix.
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don't
know if we'll get a chance to look at them before then.
If you have code you can contribute to fix these issues, that would greatly
speed up things between now and whenever a future version of Mailman3 might
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ou want to mention the official Mailman group on LinkedIn? Of course,
I can't figure out how to give you a link that will take you to their page
for the group as opposed to the "home page" that I defined for the group
(namely www.list.org), but that may be something we can resolve.
s will show which users it has delivered to at the MTA level,
and if there are any bounces that Mailman gets back from the MTA that will
also show up in the Mailman logs.
But all of these are only accessible by the site admin. If you're not the
site admin, then you will need to get their help.
the list.
When they come back, they can try to convince me that they won't ever make
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For one thing, that correction is applied at the time of archiving,
not reception. So, if you regenerate your archives in the future,
then all thase date/time stamps will change.
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going to auto-generate that password either.
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Don Hone wrote:
There doesn't seem to be an option to have a system generated
password
when running bin/newlist from the command line. Is
andard installation for everything related to Mailman usually
gets put in /usr/local/Mailman/, but I don't know if the installation
process has been updated to put it wherever Apple specifies to put
things for their version of Mailman. You'd want to check that to
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circumstances such as you have described, the feature is provided in
the code and is not currently disabled by default.
And, despite my own personal views, I realize the situation that
other sites may be in, so I don't agitate too loudly to try to change
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Gadi,
I think we could certainly do this, but we would need to carefully
vette the subscriptions to try to keep the more advanced spammers from
sneaking in.
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On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Gadi
ine access to
the server in order to do them. If you have that kind of access, I'd
suggest searching the FAQ and the archives for pointers on the
specifics.
Otherwise, you may be able to script this through the web interface,
but I suspect that's going to be rather more painfu
subscribe
them and then go in and manually set their moderation bit, or you can set
the default to be moderated then add them, then reset the default, but you
can't do it all as one operation.
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nk the crap out of their users who abuse this
feature, they really make it much more difficult for the rest of us.
Read all of the items in the FAQ that mention AOL. Every single one of them
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throughout the grey area, that causes the problems.
In order to try to avoid any appearance of impropriety, we set much higher
standards so as to try to completely avoid even getting close to the grey area.
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needs to be resolved with
fix_list, and should be discussed in the FAQ.
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greed.
Of course, now it's up to Mark to actually implement the feature. ;-)
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illing to trust most of my
users on certain systems, but I don't trust anyone else.
Since I want to keep the feature for myself, I can't argue too loudly to
remove it for everyone else.
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't have an
archive of the traffic on the mailing list.
Not really sure we can provide much help here.
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net Mail Administrator at AOL in '95, and this is a subject that I feel
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multiple chunks which can be treated as
individual messages. If your client doesn't do this, then you should
take this up with the people who wrote your client.
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o help you answer questions regarding your mail
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ion mbox format. For others, there may
be third party tools that can do that conversion for you.
However, this would be something specific to your mail client and not
something that we can help you with.
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ting them. Of course, then you are getting a lot closer
to that line where you're spamming those people as opposed to doing a proper
double-opt-in mailing list.
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Sort of related question-- is there a page (pages) that mailman
maintains which shows the number of mails received/send over the last N
days (maybe a nice graph showing the mail volume)?
Not really. See Mailman FAQ 1.30 at <http://wiki.list.org/x/1oA9>.
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the site admin can then import that with bin/arch and restore that part of
the archive.
Otherwise, I don't think there's any other solution to your problem.
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Or is there not a way expire & restart mailman processes analogous to the
apache httpd process expiration (designed to mitigate this kind of resource
growth over time)?
You can do "mailmanctl restart", but that's not really a proper solution to
this
ific to site administrators. I don't know how much more
"actually gets its job done" you get than that.
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:32.16 0.8 VirginRunner:0:1
1044 mailman9 11568 0 9964 5184 S0 12:34.04 0.5 NewsRunner:0:1 -s
And those are the only Python-related processes that show up in the
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ive
list.pck files, using the same "du -sk" script from above:
904 tutor/config.pck
652 python-list/config.pck
476 mailman-users/config.pck
324 mailman-announce/config.pck
208 python-announce-list/config.pck
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ated.
You may also be interested in the FAQ article at
<http://wiki.list.org/x/94A9>.
It would be interesting to have all those same commands run for the
system in question, to compare with the numbers in the FAQ.
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On 6/29/08, Vidiot wrote:
Crap, I think I sent the last response just to you and not you and the list.
I tend to forget to group reply. I personally prefer mail lists to respond
to the list e-mail address and not the poster.
We really don't want to get into this argument again.
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So long as we keep the discussions related to Mailman, there
shouldn't be a problem.
Now, general discussions on what is different on what version of
Solaris, that's something that I would agree belongs elsewhere.
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ou directly affected by any of this? Maybe, maybe not.
Are you likely to get caught up and washed away in the spam flood of
biblical proportions, in part due to your choice in providers? Yes.
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Thanks for the info, but the last time I looked, aliases was in /etc,
not /etc/mail.
Depends on your platform. For Solaris, the aliases have been in
/etc/mail/aliases for a very, very long time.
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27;t possible to get the client code updated so you had
to keep multiple different versions of the language.
I think this is specified with something like:
# make install --with-python=/path/to/your/local/python
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eturn Path,
by improving your score by a full 8.0 points instead of just 4.0 points, and
many sites run with 10.0 points being a guaranteed non-spam message, and 5.0
being a probable non-spam message.
Any ideas?
And way you look at it, it sounds like you've got
he Sun compiler, but it shouldn't really make much of a
difference. What differences there are would probably be more a
result of gmake versus Sun's version of make, as compared to the
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.
The problem of doing surgery on HTML formatted e-mail messages as they pass
through the system is much more complex than anyone ever gives credit for.
See the archives of the mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists
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what is wrong with this subject line and why it didn't show
up in your previous searches of the FAQ.
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of this sort that I know of are covered by the FAQ, so if you've
got a new condition (not covered by the cookie issue, the frames issue,
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Dragon wrote:
Now that the FAQ has migrated to the Wiki, perhaps the links in the
footers of the list messages should be changed to reflect that?
Good point. Thanks for reminding me!
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to whether or not you want to focus on
involving more Mailman developers in the discussion, or if you want to focus
on involving more list/site admins.
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input and then
never again.
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getting pretty heavy, isn't it?
Ad hominem attacks are not going to get you anywhere, at least not anywhere
you like.
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a statement of fact -- continued arguing with us
on a subject considered long since dead is likely to have results that
you're probably not going to like.
And that's the last I'm going to say on this subject. Anything further on
this subject will be action, and no words invol
Jesús Rivas wrote:
anyone have a statics of how many message per hour send.
a like to migrate to mailman but i need static for that
Search the Mailman FAQ for "statistics". The shortcut URL for the FAQ is
<http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3>.
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for the list, then they
should get the moderation notice of their own message, and be able to take
appropriate action.
Other than that, Mailman does not provide any moderation feature that would
work as you have asked.
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firearms, so that they can demonstrate to you the danger that
their dear departed one faced.
I did... I just believe that it is *ideally* correct, but
*realistically* incorrect,
I'm glad you feel privileged that you are the only person on the planet who
should be allowed to define wh
. The short URL for the web page is
<http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3>.
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finitely (imnsho) be configured to reply to list, and I always change
the ones I manage to do so.
Then you must not have read the FAQ I referenced.
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o the line-wrapping. Either that, or the line-wrapping is done
in an Python library for handling e-mail, which Mailman makes use of.
Either way, the responsible party here is not Mailman per se.
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Allan Odgaard wrote:
http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Web+Interface
This is great, but how should we use it? :)
This entire discussion belongs on the mailman-developers list, not
mailman-users.
I say this as the co-moderator for both of the lists in question.
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ht be in a
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which version of Python and which
version of which libraries you have, they might
munge things like that.
Of course, I've never heard of this particular
type of munging before, but certainly I've heard
of weird stuff happening when you have the wrong
version of libraries insta
On 6/18/08, Bob001 wrote:
Basically, "on behalf of" is really confusing and also spam looking..
Search the Mailman FAQ for "microsoft". The first hit will be
<http://wiki.list.org/x/RoA9>.
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when you first upgraded to a more
modern version of Mailman they would have been converted over to
config.pck "pickle" files.
Those error messages are red herrings. Don't be fooled. You're only
seeing those error messages at all because you did a "check_db -v"
instea
ot;real" employer, and for one of
the largest public universities in the world, the safelist price I
was quoted was less than $10,000. And we do a *lot* of volume at
work. Smaller sites get charged proportionately less.
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nt to them, that's their problem.
But then I'm in a position where it's probably a lot easier for me to
do that for me and my user base as compared to you and your user
base. ;-)
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UI, and if they wanted to restrict certain features/functions
from being visible to the list owners or moderators, they would be able to
do that, but you would no longer require any privileged command-line access
to the server in question, unless you were doing the first-time install.
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Carlos Williams wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# /etc/init.d/mailman start
Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman
You didn't create the site list, as directed by the documentation. See
<http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node40.html>.
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a lot more care-and-feeding, and is a pain to set up.
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recommended to you, which was to run a second copy of postfix with
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You could always use commas after the name.
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copy to the
side which you can use to re-patch the code to implement things the
way you want them.
Alternatively, go talk to the authors of the MIME encoding routines
and see if you can get them to change their minds.
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One thing that strikes me is to ask whether you copied the "cooked"
text archives or the raw mbox archives, before regeneration?
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' http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.4
We're not using this anymore. See
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions>
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:
VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = No
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = No
If you change any of these, make sure to stop and restart Mailman for
them to take effect.
But I also see options about list personalization. Do I need to also
enable that stuff?
Yes.
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my trouble?
Is your web server configured to follow symlinks?
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craft whatever messages you send out in HTML totally separately from
the messages you send out in text-only form.
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y haven't asked for it.
Feel free to look on the SourceForge "Patch" or "RFE" pages for
Mailman to see if this request has already been filed, or if a patch
to perform this function has already been uploaded. If not, feel
free to file a request via the RFE page, or u
e specific to your MTA, and also pay
special attention to FAQ 6.6 at
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+Performance+Tuning+for+Mail+Delivery>.
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