Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

I have 2 123's with the 3rd seat, a 81 and 83. Man, i need to update my sig line, I have many new additions lately. Ed Booher wrote: Just out of morbid curiousity, can I bang all our heads together and get a listing of which wagon models had a third seat? The only one that I know had one is t

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

Yep. 'Option' is the key. And for the 124 at least the factory supplied seat for 'subsequent' installation is much inferior to that installed on the production line in Sindelfingen(sp?). joe On 7/24/05, Desert Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed, > at least all W123 and W124 had the 3rd seat ha

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

How long before we have to say "Trim your sig line, Kaleb"?

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

never Don wrote: How long before we have to say "Trim your sig line, Kaleb"? ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://stripli

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

The third seat was an option! Ed Booher wrote: Just out of morbid curiousity, can I bang all our heads together and get a listing of which wagon models had a third seat? The only one that I know had one is the newer E320. Did any of the older models have a fold down rear seat?

Re: [MBZ] CamShaft Prelube necessary?

Did ya change the cam? followers? lifters? If ya did then use some of the cam lube. It is a high pressure lube that keeps stuff from galling up until your lube system starts to work properly. When I had my machine shop I sold lots of cams and lifters cuz people were too cheep to spend a couple

Re: [MBZ] CamShaft Prelube necessary?

STP is basically a viscosity index improver or in other words it will not run off as quick as engine oil. OH ya and it´s prime manufacture is Standard Oil Co, On 7/22/05, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > STP was the standard for detroit iron (read loose fit) With the closer > and mor

Re: [MBZ] R134a pressure

45 - which one? High or low? On 7/24/05, Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Per my mech, 45 is about right for most vehicles. 45 kept me "cool" > yesterday in the 240D. > > On 7/24/05, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what the pressures should be for a 126 300SDL run

Re: [MBZ] Bad Wheel Bearings?

This subject has been reasonably well covered with the exception of those dudes that install so called "trick" wheels with a different offset and then the bearing load changes from the inner large bearing to the outer smaller bearing and dah the smaller bearing can not handle the load so bearing

Re: [MBZ] R134a pressure

In a message dated 7/24/2005 4:43:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone tell me what the pressures should be for a 126 300SDL running 134a? High/Low I would look for 30 to 50 PSI on the suction side and 200 to 350 on the high side. Pressures would r

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

How 'bout just putting the cars that currently run and are plated in the sig line? That should prune it some:) Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:25 PM

Re: [MBZ] CamShaft Prelube necessary?

Back in my MB engine rebuilding days I would 'spin' the engine over, with no ignition, until the oil pressure showed up on the oil pressure gauge. Then I would fire it up. Darrell Don & Teresa Merriman wrote: STP is basically a viscosity index improver or in other words it will not run o

Re: [MBZ] Dial Indicator - Measuring Runout

Mike, Dan: I am generally reluctant to join a flame - and I'm sure Marshal can take care of himself. BUT- GIVE IT A BREAK! If you don't appreciate the diversity of experiences shared by hundreds of owners on this list, why do you bother to follow it? Maybe you don't like the information share

Re: [MBZ] CamShaft Prelube necessary?

Don Merriman said STP is basically a viscosity index improver or in other words it will not run off as quick as engine oil. OH ya and it´s prime manufacture is Standard Oil Co, Which one? THE Standard Oil company was broken up in the 20s into Standard Oil of New Jersey (now Exxon), Standa

[MBZ] A/C hi-lo pressures

Dieselvolk, The one time I played with charging the AC on my wife's Infiniti (R134), the FTM said that the pressure readings were dependent on the air temperature passing over the condenser, and there was a chart to show the temperature and corresponding pressures. 45 psi (low side) might ge

Re: [MBZ] R134a pressure

you got working AC again? Don wrote: Per my mech, 45 is about right for most vehicles. 45 kept me "cool" yesterday in the 240D. On 7/24/05, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can anyone tell me what the pressures should be for a 126 300SDL running 134a? High/Low __

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

those are the only cars I put in the sig line. Rick Knoble wrote: How 'bout just putting the cars that currently run and are plated in the sig line? That should prune it some:) Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

Your insurance guy must love you! lol Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD > those are the only cars I put in the sig line. > > > > How 'bout just putting the cars that currently run and are plated in the sig > > line? That should prune it some:)

[MBZ] Sunny day craig car list

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/86662053.html --85 SL $9k http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/86659018.html --83 5spd SL $5k http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/86612952.html --79 240D $1850 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/86600205.html --88 diesel burb $900 http://seattle.craigslist.

Re: [MBZ] R134a pressure

Yep. Re-charged. [I think I need to invest in a hose that actually has a gauge on it instead of hoping/guessing.] On 7/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you got working AC again? >

Re: [MBZ] Sunny day craig car list

Put the wire whels on the 83 5spd SL, and you'd have a NICE car! On 7/24/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/86662053.html --85 SL $9k > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/86659018.html --83 5spd SL $5k > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/86612952.ht

[MBZ] '82 300CD driveline

I need to replace the driveline support on my '82 300CD. The instructions I have say to first loosen the nuts between the support and u-joint 2 turns. I don't have a wrench big enough for that. What size do I need to borrow/steal/buy? Any tips about replacing the support? TIA all, Luthe

Re: [MBZ] CamShaft Prelube necessary?

so there! Don Merriman said STP is basically a viscosity index improver or in other words it will not run off as quick as engine oil. OH ya and it´s prime manufacture is Standard Oil Co, Which one? THE Standard Oil company was broken up in the 20s into Standard Oil of New Jersey (no

Re: [MBZ] R134a pressure

You can't have too many instruments for measuring things! I broke down and ordered a set of gauges this weekend -- - -- -- - -- a vacuum pump is next. On 7/24/05, Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yep. Re-charged. [I think I need to invest in a hose that > actually has a gauge on it ins

Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD driveline

See if it's loose enough to slide as is - I've never needed to loosen them, and haven't bothered to try and tighten them either (looking for wood to knock on). On 7/24/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I need to replace the driveline support on my '82 300CD. The instructions > I

Re: [MBZ] Dial Indicator - Measuring Runout

Mike - You're missing the point Marshall is trying to make here. the Benz is designed to rely on precision tolerances. This is very typical of German machinery. The Japanese products are more along the lines of our stuff, where they were designed with less critical tolerances. Just because one thin

Re: [MBZ] A/C hi-lo pressures

Here is a chart, http://www.ackits.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Chart Typicaly you're looking at ambiant temp * 2.2 on the high side. -- Original message -- > Dieselvolk, > > The one time I played with charging the AC on my wife's Infiniti (R134), the > FTM said that t

[MBZ] haunted wipers

The last 4 times I drove my 95E300D, the windshield wiper have came on by themselves. Sometimes they start then stop then start again. I have to turn the wiper switch on then off to get them to stop and retune to the "down" position. Anyone else have this problem and what was the fix? Where do I

Re: [MBZ] haunted wipers

Could be the beginning of the end for your wiring harness? This is an issue with all 90's MB's. On 7/24/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The last 4 times I drove my 95E300D, the windshield wiper have came on by > themselves. Sometimes they start then stop then start again. I ha

Re: [MBZ] haunted wipers

I will give you $500.06 and take the whole mess off your hands. We need wipers that are on a whole bunch up here in the misty northwest. On Sunday, July 24, 2005, at 08:22 PM, Desert Rat wrote: Could be the beginning of the end for your wiring harness? This is an issue with all 90's MB's.

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

yes, they do, in fact, my insurance guy was also the dude who married my wife and I. Rick Knoble wrote: Your insurance guy must love you! lol Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD those are the only cars I put in the sig line. How 'bout just putting the cars that currently run and are plated in the

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

Does that man you are in a menage a trois with your insurance man??? And I thought we were pretty daring here in the Nation's Capital... On 7/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes, they do, in fact, my insurance guy was also the dude who married my > wife and I. > > Rick Kno

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

Must be one a them new alternative lifestyles. Do you get good rates on your insurance? --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yes, they do, in fact, my insurance guy was also the dude who married my wife and I. Rick Knoble wrote: Your insurance guy must love you! lol Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] CamShaft Prelube necessary?

I go one small step further and run the engine with water only for cooling until I'm sure it's OK. Any internal or external leaks can be fixed without a big mess or antifreeze getting into the engine. Did you vacuum the head and cylinders while under assembly?

Re: [MBZ] Dial Indicator - Measuring Runout

I'm sorry you're offended and it's not a flame war or anything like that. Some of you take all of this WAY too seriously and miss the overall big picture. Most mechanics refer to the manual for D&A procedures, specific specs or general information. We mechanics are just as offended or bruised

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

Come to Canada. You can get married... legally.

Re: [MBZ] Dial Indicator - Measuring Runout

107.com is new to me, but the address doesn't seem to be complete - could you send the complete address? You can't get too much info (OK you can, but I haven't reached that point yet). Thanks -- I post all the time on 113 pagoda.com , 107.coma

[MBZ] need info

Hi Guys! Just wondering if anybody out there has knowledge about 450 sel 6.9 mercedes we have a 1977 and are looking to learn all we can about it. Like any car of that age its needing lots of matinence and we're not quite sure how to do it all. Thanks we are looking forward to hearing from you

Re: [MBZ] need info

Where are you Christy? There may be local aid folks can point you toward as well as the mighty brainpower available here On Sunday, July 24, 2005, at 09:07 PM, Christy E. Petrich wrote: Hi Guys! Just wondering if anybody out there has knowledge about 450 sel 6.9 mercedes we have a 1977 and ar

Re: [MBZ] need info

Sounds like a rare & formidable bird, Chris. Don't see anything at a glance about the 6.9L engine in the 116 factory service manual CD. There is a bit of info about the hydropneumatic suspension in the chassis manual, though. Other than drivetrain & suspension, I suspect it's much as the 450SEL

Re: [MBZ] need info

These are very expensive engines to repair. A head gasket set will make you gag when you hear the price. ( naboob ) Dan

Re: [MBZ] Dial Indicator - Measuring Runout

Yeah sorry, it's like reaching for the light switch - after a while you don't look at it anymore. These lists are: Pagoda 113.com and SL 107.com Both are owned by Dorian Garson who lives in Washington State, I believe. The other 113 list is an international club for 113 cars and has a board

Re: [MBZ] OT, wierd internet problem

rumor has it that Tom wrote: > There's a difference between fixing a broken PC and upgrading one for better > performance or new features. Hear, hear. And trying to work on Windows is like trying to work on a Fiat with the hood welded shut!! At least a Mac doesn't need much work, and with OS X

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

no, it just means my insurance man is also a minister of some sort. andrew strasfogel wrote: Does that man you are in a menage a trois with your insurance man??? And I thought we were pretty daring here in the Nation's Capital... On 7/24/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yes,

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

yes Rich Thomas wrote: Must be one a them new alternative lifestyles. Do you get good rates on your insurance? --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yes, they do, in fact, my insurance guy was also the dude who married my wife and I. Rick Knoble wrote: Your insurance guy must love you! lol

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

My '82 W123 has a third seat, and I've seen some W124's with the third seat as well. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 7/24/05, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just out of morbid curiousity, can I bang all our heads together and > get a listing of which wagon models had a third seat? The only one > t

Re: [MBZ] 6.9 info

Christy, Here are some websites with considerable info about the 6.9... An awesome car W116 Body w/M-100 engine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_450SEL_6.9 http://w116.org/ http://www.m-100.cc/ Then click on 6.9 http://handbook.w116.org/matrix6.htm This does not cover th

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

"Great news everyone, we just got a new husband and saved a bundle on our car insurance!" --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yes Rich Thomas wrote: Must be one a them new alternative lifestyles. Do you get good rates on your insurance? --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yes, they do, in f

[MBZ] purge air from coolant system?

I finally got the compressor and the huge bracket attacehed to it out of the little Benz. Had to remove a few hoses, which dumped coolant all over the garage floor. Do I need to simply add more coolant, or is there a procedure for purging air out of the system? If so, how do you do it? THANKS!

[MBZ] free a/c system - 76 240D - piston type compressor

I am removing the a/c system from my 76 240D (W115). It didn't work when I got the car, but the knob was broken off the dash too. When I drained the freon, it was holding quite a bit. Could be something simple, maybe not. I have no idea and don't want to fix it AND it's big and in the way of other

Re: [MBZ] purge air from coolant system?

Hey Chris, If air gets trapped where it's not supposed to it can case lots for problems including cooling problems. Fortunately the fix is easy. Take off the radiator cap, while the engine is cold. Squeeze a hose just to make sure. If the hose is hard then don't open the radiator cap. Turn on

Re: [MBZ] free a/c system - 76 240D - piston type compressor

I'll take it. -- Original message -- > I am removing the a/c system from my 76 240D (W115). > It didn't work when I got the car, but the knob was > broken off the dash too. When I drained the freon, it > was holding quite a bit. Could be something simple, > maybe no

Re: [MBZ] free a/c system - 76 240D - piston type compressor

It's yours. Send me your address offline. It's been a big pain getting it out and I still have the evaporator, dryer, fan to go and follow the one hose through the fire wall and disconnect. Just bought a house and am moving in three weeks, so will CERTAINLY be done b4 that, just have to work it in

Re: [MBZ] Dial Indicator - Measuring Runout

Hmm, okay. What you need to understand is that this is a precision list. When somebody asks for help with something thats got a proceedure in the book it'll be listed off by the book. You go saying the book doesn't matter and you're gonna draw flames. And I don't care if you're the best and bri

[MBZ] URGENT Need for Viton fuel hoses in Puget Sound

Hi, folks! I need some Viton fuel lines (return lines, I think, the ones that come up from the little nozzles which come up out of the injectors, I think is what they are) and bad! (My '82 240D is leaking B50 all over my carport; I thought it'd only leak if the fuel line was pressurized, i.e., if

Re: [MBZ] Dial Indicator - Measuring Runout

Just when you thought this thread was dead... You can purchase a dial indicator that will measure to 0.0001" for about $30. Sorry if my comments seemed a little brash but I think that it is not nice to make fun of people for following the directions. Raised my ire I guess. No offense intend

Re: [MBZ] Hammie's alternator - and a true story

Curt, You know your belt is nice and tight, right? Just checking. The other day on the way to work my 300TD's alternator, parking brake and brake wear lights came on. The slight thump in the engine compartment told me the belt broke, I got it to the side of the road before it heated up. ( I

[MBZ] alternator r+r question

I am in the middle of replacing the alternator on my 85 300D. There does not appear to be sufficient clearance between the pivot bolt and the oil drain tube for the turbo to get the pivot bolt out far enough to remove the alternator. Is it really necessary to remove the drain tube? If so... the

[MBZ] Small Diesels

Wasn't somebody looking for one of these? http://tinyurl.com/88v8b They are VERY expensive though John

Re: [MBZ] alternator r+r question

I R&R'd my alternator a couple months ago and didn't have to worry about anything regarding the turbo except for removing the air inlet from the air cleaner. But then, the PO put a Delco unit in my car... Still, I removed the air cleaner and turbo inlet u-turn pipe, then unbolted the alt and droppe

[MBZ] Creative v-belt substitutes

Richard, Great story - I'm going to throw some zip ties into my car next to the duct tape. I've got some huge zip ties meant for connecting flexible HVAC ductwork - would probably only take two to substitute the alternator belt. Sounds like you bypassed the alternator and just went around the

Re: [MBZ] AC output smells terrible

On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 02:15:52PM -0400, Richard Murdoch wrote: > When we first turn on the AC on our 82TDt the air smells as if it is full of > mold. > > Anyone know where this might be collecting and how to clean it? On the powerchoke and on the crown vic, this is a common problem, caused by

Re: [MBZ] Creative v-belt substitutes

What story? On 7/25/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard, > > Great story - I'm going to throw some zip ties into my car next to the duct > tape. I've got some huge zip ties meant for connecting flexible HVAC > ductwork - would probably only take two to substitute the alt

[MBZ] w124 passenger wheel well configuration

I've a question about the passenger side wheel well configuration on the w124 diesel. On the left side you have an louvered front splash cover, but on the right there is no cover, and the rear of the front bumper is exposed. I'm wondering if there should be a lovered cover there? We're not su

Re: [MBZ] alternator r+r question

Are you sure the alt needs to be replaced? I hear they last forever and about all that goes wrong is the regulator/brushes going bad. This is the little piece that mounts on the bottom rear of the alt. Has 2 phillips screws. Remove it and see if the brushes are really worn or charred. I thi

Re: [MBZ] Creative v-belt substitutes

Yes, that's what I did. Love those diesels. I had some larger ones, but used the 'standard' 8" or so variety, because I was concerned about the head size and how it would react with the grove in the pulley. FWIW, a friend locally tried panty hose for the same trick and failed miserably. Said

Re: [MBZ] Hammie's alternator - and the tank vent...

*SNORT* its not often an email makes me laugh out loud inappropriately at work... Actually I wear my belt a little loose, I sit down pretty much all day and a tight belt tends for a sore belly. O Hammie's belt. I dunno, the lights were still bright when I got home so I left good enough alo

Re: [MBZ] Creative v-belt substitutes

Richard Hattaway wrote: > > FWIW, a friend locally tried panty hose for the same trick and failed > miserably. Said he spent more time picking nylon out of the pulley > system than he did putting on a new belt (c: > Did he use only the legs and just put it around the crank and water pump, or d

Re: [MBZ] w124 passenger wheel well configuration

The cover on the drivers side protects the oil cooler. There is no such cover on the passenger side on cars made for the U.S. Some European cars may place an additional transmission (ATF) cooler for vehicles that do towing, or maybe an intercooler in other models. Brian On 7/25/05, John M McIn

Re: [MBZ] AC output smells terrible

Yesterday on Two Guys Garage car show (or one like it) they "demoed" a product to keep your vent fresh and clean smelling, just like a summer's eve. One product you use once a year and the other to clean out the gunk. Both aerosol cans you spray in the intake and the vents. I can't find it o

Re: [MBZ] Creative v-belt substitutes

Don't know. He just said it didnt work. The belt he broke was the alternator/pump belt, so he was only interested in those items as opposed to the PS/AC stuff. Whether he tried to drive the alternator or not I don't know. I drove only the water pump because that was all I needed, and of course

Re: [MBZ] Creative v-belt substitutes

I missed the story can someone repost it am curious. Going to Disneyland in a few weeks and might be something to take along! Douglas.. - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:43 PM Subje

Re: [MBZ] alternator r+r question

I think it pulls out although you need to be a contortionist to get it out sometimes.

Re: [MBZ] Dial Indicator - Measuring Runout

Ok, I'm talking about the same thing. It's not nice to call people names just because they have a different point of view. And I got called lots of interesting names... I fully understand that if I would have disagreed with some virtual unknown on the list no one would have even noticed. Who

Re: [MBZ] Creative v-belt substitutes

He probably should removed his wife first

Re: [MBZ] Hammie's alternator - and a true story

Richard? Is that in the book? Pretty slick idea for a short drive home. Never fails how someone will drive that extra 1/2 mile to gas station instead of walking or getting help. Pretty much toasts the engine once you get over a certain temp for any length of time. Dan , who toasted his 230SL

Re: [MBZ] Hammie's alternator - and the tank vent...

Can't help you Curt. I've never had to pull a 123 tank - I guess they rarely fail. Remove the fuel cap before you blow any air into the tank, the pressure could force a lot of fuel back into your face and despite what you may think of me I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Re: [MBZ] Creative v-belt substitutes

When I still worked nights I had a driver call with a broken serp belt on his truck (15L Detroit Diesel). I instructed him to turn everything electrical in the cab off to conserve battery and drive to the closest shop open at night. He was in BFE New York and the closest shop was around 170-20

Re: [MBZ] Third Row Seating

Every 123 and 124 wagon was available with a 3rd seat. It was an option - NOT standard (although MOST later US delivered wagons came with them). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA

Re: [MBZ] Dial Indicator - Measuring Runout

OK Dan I am on your side,well we do not need sides, I just agree with you. On 7/25/05, BenzBarn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, I'm talking about the same thing. It's not nice to call people names > just because they have a different point of view. And I got called lots of > interesting names

Re: [MBZ] need info

Stu Ritter (former Mercedes shop owner and technical editor of The Star magazine) says that to properly afford to maintain a 6.3 or 6.9 you need the inome from a religion or at least a small country! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Depart