No MB engine with an aluminum block was ever delivered with green
coolant in it. I don't know when they switched, but the green stuff
has not been used by MB for at least 25 years.
Green antifreeze/coolant does not provided adequate corrosion
protection in iron/aluminum applications (nearly
You're never too young for a wagon. We got our 280te when we were 25.
Still have it and love it. However with gas prices as of late, we're
driving our diesels. Go for it, everyone should have a wagon. ;)
Mathieu
On Apr 28, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Donald Snook wrote:
We have all had much
J.B. Hebert wrote:
The problem is that it is stabilizing below the low coolant level, whereas
is should be stabilizing around the cold fill level (when cold). That
coolant is going somewhere, and it isn't going out the overflow tube. I
put a catch can in just to make sure, and it's bone dry.
A flattened BLIMP
Oh if only my laughs could power my car, it would drive it 300 miles down to
the GORGE on that one alone!
HAR HAR!
Lynn
On 4/28/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no disputing [my] taste. The 126 looks like a flattened blimp.
The 123 is at
We have a biodiesel list for discussion biodiesel and related topics.
Please carry on those conversations there so as not to flood the list
with off topic posts.
thanks
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81
I'm less than a week away from that very same process. I have over 100
gal of WVO stored, and my processor parts are all collected and ready for
assembly..
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:52:21 -0500, Rich Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I went by there the other day and checked the price.
Mathieu J. Cama wrote:
You're never too young for a wagon. We got our 280te when we were 25.
Still have it and love it. However with gas prices as of late, we're
driving our diesels. Go for it, everyone should have a wagon. ;)
Coming from another picked up a wagon at 25, I concur. Wagons
I have 123hp @ 4350 and 184lb-ft @ 2400 for the 617.952
On 4/28/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anybody know how much torque a 617 puts out?
The 4BT in 130HP form puts out just under 300lb/ft of torque.
I've actually gotten away from the idea of a fullsize pickup. I just
On 4/28/06 9:20 PM, John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mathieu J. Cama wrote:
You're never too young for a wagon. We got our 280te when we were 25.
Still have it and love it. However with gas prices as of late, we're
driving our diesels. Go for it, everyone should have a wagon. ;)
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Yes I do. The main glaring error is that virtually no person out
there runs 100% veg oil without preheating it and starting/stopping
on BioD/PetroD.
Again I'll ask, did you really read the study? They *did* preheat the
palm oil, by running the engine's exhaust pipe
Does it know what's good for itself? (I'm not being a smarta$$) When it
stabilizes where it wants to be, does that mean that it has stabilized at
the level that is best for protection of the engine? Or could it be that,
yes, it stabilizes there, but it would be better protected if it had the
full
George Larribeau wrote:
So if I have a choice . carbon filtered or reverses osmosis filtered ??
I would probably use carbon filtered. I used to work in the car wash
industry and we always observed corrosion problems with the hardware for
the RO spotless rinse arches. It seems
I have heard it said that it is normal for these diesels to kick and crack
and so forth when started cold. That is, only for several seconds, before
smoothing out. Is this true?
I can say that mine does. But it is a bit troubling to me, some of the
sounds it comes up with. Does not sound
I have 123hp @ 4350 and 184lb-ft @ 2400 for the 617.952
Pitiful.
From the May issue of CAR.
This autumn these cars will be introduced.
CLK63 AMG 481bhp 465lb ft
CLS63 AMG 514bhp 465lb ft (flat torque curve, apparently but at 5200rpm.
Two AMG built 6.3 (M156) V-8s (both turbos)
Zoltan Finks wrote:
I know that all that matters is that the engine has sufficient volume of oil
to adequately lube all the parts under the harshest conditions.
Right...the difference between 7.5 quarts and 8 is not going to be a big
deal, as far as the oil pump is concerned.
So does this
A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
Chris
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the 126 SEC is the best looking MB
short of the C111 --- too
bad it didn't come with a nice 603 engine. Maybe some day I'll find
the right car, right engine, spare cash, and lots of time on my hands
--
My
Yes, diesels knock when cold (MBs less than some others, Volvo in
particular). The noise should disappear fairly quickly.
They are also somewhat sluggish cold -- don't try to make a dash into
traffic until it warms up some. White smoke cold is also common,
especially on the later engines --
Peter wrote:
Those are maximum and minimum volume
marks, not recommended levels.
That statement makes good sense. So the upper mark is not saying this is
where you should run the oil level rather, it's saying do not fill it
higher than here.
AND...
David Wrote:
On some engines it also helps get
You found two cars worth of parts, I'll build them, you get one, I get
the other.
On 4/28/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
Chris
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the
Make the FUND, not FOUND --
On 4/28/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You found two cars worth of parts, I'll build them, you get one, I get
the other.
On 4/28/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
Chris
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
The
It does the same thing as holding your foot on the accelerator --with
you having to hold your foot there ---
On 4/28/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I forget about the idle adjuster. That is something that can be
adjusted most every time the thing is cold started, if desired?
I love it when Kaleb flexes his admin muscle.
Bob Retnfro
'77 300D 152K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:51 PM
Subject: [MBZ] BIODIESEL, ADMIN
We have a
The beauty about a T is that they are very practical compared to the sedan.
You can lay down all the seats (except for the drivers of course) and carry
a lot of stuff. Also if you get a seven seater you can shift more people,
although the rear seats are really only good for kids. I looked at a
The weather radar shows lots of severe rain ...
Craig
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:13:38 -0700 ms.300SD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You've got a 123 chassis, and the 300SD is a 126 chassis. The 126 is
more luxurious, has a cushier ride and a sleeker, more elegant look.
See:
www.viewimages.mbz.org/by_chassis/Coupe/
When I try to go there, it says
YES!!! 0.8 so far!!! We are SO dry - love it --- more than doubled
the rainfall this year!
On 4/28/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The weather radar shows lots of severe rain ...
Craig
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
As I said, they all look the same, no matter what they look like
On Wednesday, April 26, 2006, at 12:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But they all are looking like things on the Dodge lot. Why would I
spend
$80k on a car that looks like the Crossfire? Just because it has a big
R in the
I found the images pages from www.mbz.org, then clicking images on
the left side - but I never found any - I was looking in the 126
section.
www.viewimages.mbz.org/by_chassis/Coupe/
When I try to go there, it says the site cannot be found.
Craig
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
The Americans
I have 123hp @ 4350 and 184lb-ft @ 2400 for the 617.952
The 4BT in 130HP form puts out just under 300lb/ft of torque.
The 4B, like its 6B big brother, is an old-style rude-and-crude
direct-injection low-revving torque monster truck engine. The
MB engine revs a lot higher, but has less
You mean an SDC would be ecstasy?
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
- Original Message -
From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I love my 126
A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
Oh, you have adequate oil to keep the oil pressure up with just a
couple quarts in the pan, most likely.
However, what with needing to keep the oil cooler full, and the shorter
time the oil stays in the pan, it will not cool off as much, and it
will wear out faster -- that's why MB has huge
Is that the ticket?? SHEESH
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:49:11 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Get a wagon, and it won't be long till you hvae the kids to fill it up
;-)
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the
Second that!
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:06:16 -0500, Christopher McCann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
Chris
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the 126 SEC is the best
looking MB short of the C111 --- too
bad it didn't come with a nice 603 engine. Maybe some
what is our page?
On 4/28/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey fellas...the wanna-buy-a-W123-checklist is gone from your page. The
others are there.
I sent the link to prospective fold incomer and he said nothing was there
(for 123s).
or.
maybe I'm doing something wrong because I
On second thought, a 124 300CD would be 1000 times better. Intercooled OM
60x powered, 500E/AMG suspension. M
What'd I miss Dave M?
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:14:38 -0500, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Second that!
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:06:16 -0500, Christopher McCann
SAME HERE!
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:44:58 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
YES!!! 0.8 so far!!! We are SO dry - love it --- more than doubled
the rainfall this year!
On 4/28/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The weather radar shows lots of severe rain ...
Craig
--
You mean an SDC would be ecstasy?
Now that's funny!
Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon
Giesela, 1981 300CD 204K miles
It is very worth doing a nice clean on the OM606 intakes. They get
really nasty in 10 years. Reduced the air to half
On Thursday, April 27, 2006, at 07:32 AM, Woodlandtaylors wrote:
Kevin,
I actually have two set of bent wrenches for the job you are doing.
One is
the standard length the
There's a Jaguar for sale 1/2 block from my house.
I don't know how y'all feel about Jaguars (the cars). I know BMWs are hated,
and Volvos and perhaps Saabs are tolerated. I have always thought Jags were
pretty nice. That's not to say I know much about them.
I was surprised how cheap it is -
n, this is a buy parts ad. only no one buys parts from it. i think
i've been hosed again :(
On 4/28/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stop posting adds about online poker and maybe they'll buy something!
~i wish some of those guys would buy parts from bimby. i've got this
Don't have extra funds right now :-(
Chris
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make the FUND, not FOUND --
On 4/28/06, OK Don wrote:
You found two cars worth of parts, I'll build them, you get one, I get
the other.
On 4/28/06, Christopher McCann wrote:
A 300 SCD would be a dream car!
yes, unless you do not, then you will fairly quickly
On Thursday, April 27, 2006, at 07:35 PM, ned kleinhenz wrote:
OK, This is basic stuff. But I've always wondered...
Is it necessary to replace the gasket everytime I remove and reinstall
the
intake manifold on my 606?
The shop manual
On 4/28/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's a Jaguar for sale 1/2 block from my house.
I don't know how y'all feel about Jaguars (the cars). I know BMWs are
hated,
and Volvos and perhaps Saabs are tolerated. I have always thought Jags
were
pretty nice. That's not to say I know
The recent discussion of the infrequency of Klima relay failures encouraged
me to resume the frustrating process of diagnosing my ACC problems.
Symptom is that the ACC seems to do everything right (blowing air out the
right vents at the appropriate temperature and speed), but the compressor
Much to my surprise the big warning lit up the other day. Brake warning that
is. Crawling under with a mirror and strong light revealed the rear pads have
worn down to the sensors. 43000 miles, guess it's time.
My 201s needed rear pads every 27K miles.
Pads and sensors on the way from bimby.
too (sufficient Freon to run). I opened up the Klima relay and didn't
see
any obvious badness on the board (blown components or cracked solder
joints), although I will resolder it just on principle. However, I'm
Sadly, the usual problem I've found with the various auto electronics
is not
On Apr 27, 2006, at 10:35 PM, ned kleinhenz wrote:
OK, This is basic stuff. But I've always wondered...
Is it necessary to replace the gasket everytime I remove and
reinstall the
intake manifold on my 606?
The shop manual makes no mention of it.
Ned Kleinhenz
You're asking for
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If it wasn't for the gremlins that plague the electrical systems in Jags, they
are pretty nice cars. Don't know why BMW's are so hated, guess you have to
drive one to understand why CD ranks them so high
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL 108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda
Prior to Ford buying them, Jags are, well, quality control free. As my
friend the mechanic says, how in heaven's name do you get oil on the
bottom of the FRONT bumper?. After than, much better, although the
V12s still overheat badly and often catch fire.
A blast to drive when they run,
If it's a speed sensor mismatch, you will get initial engagement, then
the AC compressor will go off line (KLIMA disengages it) until you shut
the engine off and then restart.
Speed sensor in the compressor can only be replaced by venting the
system, so you don't want to do that off the bat.
Bimmers are a blast to drive, I still remember my friend's 2002 from
way back when (rustbucket, that one).
They aren't inexpensive to maintain, though Best to have them as a
second or third car so you won't get stuck renting something to get to
work in!
Peter
What is the purpose of a cigar hose...I'm thinking of the one coming off the
top of the fuel filter housing that sends fuel back to the tank.
Thanks!
Chris
Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose
-1987 300TD, 152K, Rotkäppchen
-1985
On 4/28/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it's a speed sensor mismatch, you will get initial engagement, then
the AC compressor will go off line (KLIMA disengages it) until you shut
the engine off and then restart.
I forgot that part. That's definitely *not* the symptom I'm
Given that the compressor signal is a simple VR sensor and wire, the
fact that it's off by a factor of 2 doesn't sound too good. Chase that
wiring down and ensure it's good, and doesn't have a really nasty
contact in a connector at the compressor or something.
Thanks for the detailed
I have to regress a little bit here. I'm currently going back to school
(as in four year university). We were on a field trip to a print house on
Thursday. I thought I might sort of inspire a bit of awe in the kids when
they saw me driving my Benz. BZZZT. As we left the print house, I saw what
Even though I've never owned one, I had a chance to drive a M3. That was a
beast, a total blast to drive. Not so sure about cost of repairs or reliabilty
factor, but the fun factor was a 10
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL 108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata
The mbz.org
- Original Message -
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty/Hursty Where's the W123 Checklist?
what is our page?
On 4/28/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There have been several Jag's in my area of that era, the cheapest an
88 or 89 for $1000 cash and the most expensive a 96 for $3500. I think
something has happened (ergo, they've taken them to the stealership
and told they are *not* working on them anymore for what ever Ford
related reason or
Christopher McCann wrote:
What is the purpose of a cigar hose...I'm thinking of the one coming off the
top of the fuel filter housing that sends fuel back to the tank.
The cigar shaped hose (before it hardens to stone with age) dampens the
fuel pulses so they don't couple to the chassis
that is not our page. that belongs to richard sexton, who seems to be
retired. we are just paid advertisers.
On 4/29/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The mbz.org
- Original Message -
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Interesting datum: When I pulled out the Klima just now to resolder it
in
the morning, I noticed that BAD is scratched into the plastic on the
back. Maybe somebody's trying to tell me something!
Maybe, or Mr. Bucephalus Augustus Dingle the previous owner liked
to scratch his initials in his
A good friend of mine has a Duramax...An 05 1 ton 4x4, bone stock. Lucky to
get 17 empty at 55mph. Chipping does nothing for the Duramax except for
burn out the catalyst. A larger exhaust has a slight gain when towing.
It's a great truck if you want more power than you could likely use but
On Apr 29, 2006, at 6:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Expensive to maintain -- similar to Land Rover. I persuaded a young
friend of mine not by buy one of those this year, too. He's in
graduate school, hardly the time for a vehicle of questionable
reliablity!
Peter
As i've stated
In a message dated 4/29/2006 12:28:47 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Interesting datum: When I pulled out the Klima just now to resolder it in
the morning, I noticed that BAD is scratched into the plastic on the
back. Maybe somebody's trying to tell me something!
Don Snook said
My wife thinks the 123 wagons
are the ugliest cars on the road and she says I will turn into an old
man the moment I get one. I am not really thinking about getting one,
but if the right one came along I would.
I think she must have been talking to my kids, who have
Now we're up to 1.8 !
On 4/28/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SAME HERE!
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:44:58 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
YES!!! 0.8 so far!!! We are SO dry - love it --- more than doubled
the rainfall this year!
On 4/28/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL
Royce Engler wrote:
I think she must have been talking to my kids, who have complained for the
last 15 years that I've had my '85 300TD. I embarrassed them all through
their high school and college years with The Shaggin Wagin,
No accounting for taste. I had a couple of cousins who were
Soy oil = $12.99 + 2% tx at Goldsboro, NC, Sam's.
Wilton
I was thinking of the relay, not the crank position sensor.
Note that you DO have an ignition computer on that car -- the idle
speed control system. I suspect the engine speed signal is processed
there. Maybe not, though
Have you shorted the switch leads at the receiver/dryer? The
Politely? Yes, politely. I looked 'im in the eye and said, We shouldn't
have to get my ins. involved, you know that. He agreed.
Wiltlon
Bought the TD for my son to drive to school, etc. When confronted by
the choice of walking, bussing, or the TD, guess who is not too young
for a wagon?
Besides, it could hold all his lacrosse gear, backpacks, several friends
and that of, and all other necessary impedimenta.
--R
'Saw 3 Sprntrs at glass shop yestrday; 1 Frtlnr, 2 Dodge, all @ ~90kmi.
10kmi ago, the Frtlnr was losing coolant somewhere - possible crack. Dlr
wanted $8.5k to replace eng. Owner put $4 can of Stop-leak type stuff in
it. 'Still running - no leaks.
Wilton
All,
I second the notions posted above, and I have one more opinion to add,
somewhat related to Marshall's.
We have teen drivers in the family, and the diesels have proved to be
extremely well suited for them. Think about it - Stable, precise and
predictable handling, solid mass,
Wilton
Tell me about water injection in the BUFF and KC 135. Maybe only one had
it, ICR.
Thanks
Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans
- Original Message -
From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday,
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
The recent discussion of the infrequency of Klima relay failures encouraged
me to resume the frustrating process of diagnosing my ACC problems.
Symptom is that the ACC seems to do everything right (blowing air out the
right vents at the appropriate temperature and
Peter Frederick wrote:
If it's a speed sensor mismatch, you will get initial engagement, then
the AC compressor will go off line (KLIMA disengages it) until you shut
the engine off and then restart.
Speed sensor in the compressor can only be replaced by venting the
system, so you don't want
Sure is small, was my first impression of my 85 TD. I really like to
drive it and I love its versatility but my first MB was an 86 SDL and I
always go back to that, spoiled I guess.
When time allows, I'll make some repairs and Ebay it.
Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
Ignition computer? This is a diesel, remember. Near as I can see, the
speed sensor connects directly to the Klima and the EDS (Electronic Diesel
System) box.
Rusty shows it for $41. Looks like the hardest part of putting it in is
just running the cable down the back
Having two wagon, a w123 and w124 I assure you my wife has decided the
w124 is *hers* and the w123 is '*old*'. However the w123 is in some
respects more
durable and thunders over potholes and the like with easy and if we
shovel dirt into it I don't twitch.
I'll also note my oldest son's
Hi Donald,
I think it a Madison Ave advertising thing - they've always pushed the wagon
as the suburban kid hauler or a garden supplies hauler - a hauler in
general -- and my wife feeels the same way but perhaps not as strongly as
your wife or some others do.
Personally, I love wagons - I
Thanks Marshall,
this is the kind of thing that sometimes can scare a guy. Funny though that
I've had this car for 8 years and never noticed it.
Dennis
Dennis Perkins wrote:
I was cleaning under the hood of my 84 300SD today and found a three lead
wire that ends in an oval female
I've noticed the same thing - owners are wanting to sell them once they find
out how expensive they are to maintain. I was getting a safety inspection
and there was a used car lot next door - I wandered over to look at a XJS
V12 that was around 12-15 years old. He *said* it ran but needed a
On 4/29/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you jumped pins 5 to 7 and does that permit the compressor to run? ??
Yes, it starts immediately and seems to run fine---the system blows cold
air, no bubbles in the reciever/dryer sight glass, and no funny noises from
the compressor.
, If it wasn't for the gremlins that plague the electrical systems in Jags,
they are pretty nice cars..
I beg your pardon? What about the terrible rust problems, perhaps pre-Ford.
The endless mechanical grief. That sedan with the oblong taillights was
mentioned in CAR as unsaleable in England
Even though I've never owned one, I had a chance to drive a M3. That was a
beast, a total blast to drive.
A friend has owned two, used as business cars driving all over the state. No
problems worth mentioning. Another friend has an M3 SMG which I have driven
and don't like the gearbox.
I've always wanted a V12 - ever since whenever ---
So I did a search on eBay to see what's out there -
http://tinyurl.com/h6dth - love suicide doors - don't know why they
don't make them anymore!
http://tinyurl.com/hquub - looks like perhaps 12 carbs to sync?
http://tinyurl.com/kdlcg - going
I had the same opinion of it, not a yuppy car a real drivers car. Somthing you
can take to the track and have a little fun and then drive it home. I drove a 6
speed, but compared to the Mustang I had, it was alot better.
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL 108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On 4/29/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you jumped pins 5 to 7 and does that permit the compressor to run? ??
Yes, it starts immediately and seems to run fine---the system blows cold
air, no bubbles in the reciever/dryer sight glass, and no funny
There is an evaporator sensor that shuts off the compressor when the
evaporator temp approaches freezing (actually about 40 deg. F). This is
measured by a negative temp coefficient resistor and when resistance
gets high enough, the compressor is shut off. If the sensor opens
(electrically) or
I'm aware of the rust problems and mechanical gremlins of the Jags or any
British car for that matter. Just didn't want to waste space mentioning it. I
know the 60's 70's and most of the 80's Jags, were big time rust prone. It
wasn't until the later 90's that they finally got better. Any car
I've only had a chance to drive one V12 and it was a VW Phaeton. Lots of power,
much more reliable than any Jag, butits a VW
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL 108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes
I don't hate BMW's--not by a long shot. I've owned two cars and two
bikes, and they've all proven to be very reliable and fun to own. I'd
buy another in a heartbeat, if the price were right. I'd also buy a
Volvo, but not so sure about a Saab though.
On 4/28/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 4/29/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've always wanted a V12 - ever since whenever ---
So I did a search on eBay to see what's out there -
http://tinyurl.com/hquub - looks like perhaps 12 carbs to sync?
Seller is a moron. That's not a V12, it's a flat-12. Hence the name
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