Glaziers? Guys who hang glass are melting?
This is the first I've heard of this...
Dan
--- andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> < few are expanding?>>
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
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> > Here's the latest news on the accelerated melting of the polar ice caps
> > but
> > not to worry, every word is probably a lie:
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die Kiste box, case, chest, crate
I guess this one would work for the Sprinter, and when she gets old, die
alte Kiste would work.
Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die neue Kiste
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with 12 volts applied they should hold vacuum at the vacuum port with
the out port plugged
OK Don wrote:
> And that is the premise and major point of Al Gore's recent book -
> "The Assault on Reason".
>
> On 9/8/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> TV is the real enemy, people get s
And that is the premise and major point of Al Gore's recent book -
"The Assault on Reason".
On 9/8/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TV is the real enemy, people get seated in front of that idiot box and I
> swear it literally sucks their brains out through their eyes.
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OK Don, K
I love this post!! :-) hee hee
Ed
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On 08/09/2007, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> No matter what anybody says people are, deep down, inherently greedy
> horrible little bastards.
> How some people manage to rise above it and collaborate on anything is one
> of the amazing myste
Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There is ZERO personal accountability
in the world today.
> With the possible exceptions of the people on this list...
Whatchew mean, Willis? There's no accounting for me at all!
-- Jim
As you well know, James, you are in both categories!
Fred Moir
Lynn
>> There is ZERO personal accountability in the world today.
> With the possible exceptions of the people on this list...
Whatchew mean, Willis? There's no accounting for me at all!
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Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is ZERO personal accountability in the world today.
-Curt
Amen to that!!
With the possible exceptions of the people on this list and a few saints.
Fred Moir
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:53:04 +0930 Hendrik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what is the German word for Box?)
There are several, with different shades of meaning:
die Schachtel box, package
der Kasten box, chest, bin, hutch showcase
die Kiste box, case, chest, crate
das Behältn
-Curt
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:04:26 -0500
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heck no, if you
forget how ugly you are... Etc.
The irony is when you remember I work in the television industry...
-Curt
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:35:52 +0930
From: Hendrik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Kevin Kraly wrote:
> 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, The Box
IIRC, "The Box" was the actual name of a 1970's kit car.
It was shaped like a shoe box with a wedge shaped nose,
open wheels, four wheel steering via a foot operated
handlebar (hydraulic), and hand throttle. I can't remember
what powered it.
Now that's quite funny saying that Sprinter is the German word for box! At
least the nose has some curvature to it. We hauled the boat behind it for
the first time the other day, and it did well. It isn't the powerhouse that
the Cummins was, but that's fine with me.
Kevin in Portland, OR
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> In a message
E M wrote:
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> I kind of had my eye on a small displacement Lambo LM002, it's only
> 5.2litres. Mind you, those 12 cylinders do burn through that 76
> gallon/ 290
> litre tank of premium gas kind of fast. hee hee. Hmm, maybe a diesel
> conversion project?? :-)
Now that might be interesting. Kno
what is the German word for Box?)
Sprinter
Kevin Kraly wrote:
> SNIPPED>
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> Kevin in Portland, OR
> 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula who got dropped off at MBI today for much needed
> attention
> 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, The Box (what is the German word for Box?)
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I kind of had my eye on a small displacement Lambo LM002, it's only
5.2litres. Mind you, those 12 cylinders do burn through that 76
gallon/ 290
litre tank of premium gas kind of fast. hee hee. Hmm, maybe a diesel
conversion project?? :-)
Ed
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On 08/09/2007, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
Perhaps instead of buying that 7 liter SUV to ferry
the kids to soccer, we'll opt for the 6.8 liter and get that warm, fussy
feeling that we have personally saved the planet from becoming a hot house.
In my family fleet, there have been quite a few changes in vehicles over the
past couple years,
heck no, if you have a need for a big vehicle for hauling, then by all
means, have it. Just to drive around in is stupid. Everyone should be
more efficient, but I do not think they should be forced to. Its up to
the individual.
Hendrik wrote:
> Nobody wants to be the 'boy who cried wolf' bu
I think they are 2 different things, seems I heard that.
archer wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 9/7/2007 4:35:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Anyone who does not believe that R12 is bad for the ozone layer needs to
>> read this article.
>> http://en.wikipedia.o
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:42:11 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carbon tetrachloride is not freon. R12 Freon is CCl2F2 or
> diclorodifluoromethane.
Oops. You're right, CCl2F2, not CCl4.
> The boiling point of diclorodifluoromethane at -29.8 °C vs. 1465 °C
> for sodium chloride might ex
From my understanding wikipedia works like an online forum, people
write stuff and then other people can correct that if they feel they
need to.
Also you will note that citations and references are required to
substantiate what you wrote.
In regards to the banning of R12, we cannot stop volcano
Apart from everything else, what do you think would happen to DuPont if
they where found out to be deliberately using the global warming issue
to increase profits?
Probably nothing in the US (well they would get a medal from the Prez
for being outstanding corporate citizens) but in the PC EU the
Nobody wants to be the 'boy who cried wolf' but I guess we can wait till
we have conclusive proof that we are damaging the environment and then
perhaps think about ways we could possibly perhaps maybe reduce
emissions by .0008%. Perhaps instead of buying that 7 liter SUV to ferry
the kids to so
I asked the same question a while back and a local atmospheric
scientist told me that no - the two never meet. Maybe we need a match
maker.
> There is supposed to be an ozone shortage at high altitudes yet ozone is a
> major constituent of air pollution:
> http://www.nws.noaa.gov/aq/
> Does this p
> In a message dated 9/7/2007 4:35:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Anyone who does not believe that R12 is bad for the ozone layer needs to
> read this article.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
> Tom and all,
> People who write for Wikipedia are n
> I'm not sure the state of all research into this topic, but I've always
> wondered how carbon tetrachloride (freon) with a molecular weight of
> 152
> would be more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than the vastly more
> available sodium chloride (in sea water) which has a molecular weight
> o
Correct. Wikipedia is a "community" project. Those with the
"knowledge" are supposed to write, edit, and correct the information.
In my book, that makes it "common knowledge" - which is what the
stomach ulcer episode I mentioned a few minutes ago in the "Fix or
Sell? killer R12" thread was - "commo
> This is just another myth. Dupont's Freon patent ran out in the 1950s,
> long
> before the ozone problem was discovered and they do not have a patent
> on
> R134a. There are 5 major manufacturers of R134a & Dupont is just one
> of them.
A patent holder may choose to license the patent to othe
Many of the scientists who supported this so called global warming
problem are now backing down. All this supposed research started when,
in the 80's? That is not long enough to see the big picture. I guess
our R12 and big SUV's are also warming up Mars too. Wow, we really do
polute alot, gee
well you will be waiting a while then.
Hendrik wrote:
> OK, we are waiting.
>
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
>> and Im sure I can find out just as much proof to the contrary. In other
>> words, who knows.
>>
>> ---
>> Kaleb C. Striplin
>>
>>
>
> _
And that's the problem we have - too much "science" is based on a
priori knowledge - like that excess stomach acid makes stomach ulcers.
Finally someone had the audacity to culture one and found that they
are bacterial infections. The scientists had "known" that bacteria
couldn't live in the stomac
In a message dated 9/7/2007 4:35:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyone who does not believe that R12 is bad for the ozone layer needs to
read this article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
Tom and all,
People who write for Wikipedia are not aut
I believe you are able to correct wikipedia articles if you feel that
they are not accurate. However make sure that you have references (no,
using okiebenz listers as references is not going to work) and list them
at the end of the article.
Perhaps you and the 'everything is sweet' crowd can get
Carbon tetrachloride is not freon. R12 Freon is CCl2F2 or
diclorodifluoromethane.
The boiling point of diclorodifluoromethane at -29.8 °C vs. 1465 °C
for sodium chloride might explain why it's not found much in the
stratosphere.
FTR, the molecular weight of R12 is 121, and salt is 58, not that it
And you're evidence is?
It is all very nice to try and discredit things we don't particularly
want to hear but once all the polar bears have drowned it will be you
and your super consumer mates who will have to try and explain that this
is all part of a natural cycle.
All I want is the truth, be
TECTED]
> On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:31 PM
> To: 'Craig McCluskey'; 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
>
> The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of
> R12 i
OK, we are waiting.
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote:
> and Im sure I can find out just as much proof to the contrary. In other
> words, who knows.
>
> ---
> Kaleb C. Striplin
>
>
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Trampas wrote:
> What happened is Dupont's patent expired then the scientists found
> the problem. Luckly Dupont had the solution in R134 which they have a
> patent on...
http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/refrigerant_history.php
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actually, that is not true either, that is, well, I guess, an urban
legend of sorts.
Trampas wrote:
> What happened is Dupont's patent expired then the scientists found the
> problem. Luckly Dupont had the solution in R134 which they have a patent
> on...
>
> Trampas
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The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of
R12 in the stratosphere. The other issue is that the free chlorine acts
as a catalyst to break do
;
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
>
> Tom
> www.kegkits.com
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The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of
R12 in the stratosphere. The other issue is that the free chlorine acts
as a catalyst to break down ozone.
Thanks,
Kaleb -
I thought that I heard that the Northern areas are receding and the south
pole is expanding.
Barry
> yea, the glaziers are melting. Wonder why quite a few are expanding?
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 "Bob DuPuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is
> continually created in the upp
12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
> Here's the latest news on the accelerated melting of the polar ice caps
> but
> not to worry, every word is probably a lie:
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andrew strasfogel wrote:
> NOAA oceanographer James Overland and agency meteorologist Muyin Wang based
> their calculations on the carbon dioxide that is in the atmosphere. That
> pollution will greatly diminish the ice by 2050, regardless of future curbs
> on emissions, Overland said.
That's no
Here's the latest news on the accelerated melting of the polar ice caps but
not to worry, every word is probably a lie:
"The Arctic ice cap is melting faster than previously thought, and it will
shrink 40 percent by 2050 in most regions, according to a National Oceanic
and Atmospheric Administrati
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 "Bob DuPuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is
> continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by
> sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to
> think mans puny effor
LarryT wrote:
> At last, the voice of Reality!! DuPont got the Ozone scare started when
> everybody and their brother was making it in garages and little factories
> all over the world. And DP didn;t get a penny from it - which was the
> whole problem. Now, as Bob so eloquently stated, D
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You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is
continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by
sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to
think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a
significant effect. R12 was banned a
y, September 07, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
>
>
> "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" wrote:
>>
>> Well, all they are required to do is see your license to purchase
>> refrigerant. They do not need a business license. What you do with it
&
"Kaleb C. Striplin, work" wrote:
>
> Well, all they are required to do is see your license to purchase
> refrigerant. They do not need a business license. What you do with it is
> none of their business either.
Parts stores usually want my business (sales tax) license # before giving
me a who
: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
> Kaleb,
>
> Actually, there is proof that R12 damages the ozone layer & the
> scientists understand exactly how the process occurs. They have even
> sampled & found R12 in the stratosphere
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> It is also illegal to release here and legal purchase is very difficult.
> There are two parts houses in town that still sel
Hendrik wrote:
>
> Well yes there are still cars in Oz with R12 in the system but it is now
> unobtanium and releasing it into the atmosphere is against the law.
Releasing R12 can win us a USD10,000 fine. What's it cost down under,
or do they jail you? We pay the same fine if we release R134a,
stated that my Porsche was a little low (the truth).
Now I buy from eBay resellers who are peddling the last of the old stock
& will be for a while.
Tom
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Well yes there are still cars in Oz with R12 in the system but it is now
unobtanium and releasing it into the atmosphere is against the law.
Tom Hargrave wrote:
> Manufacturing new R12 has been banned in this country but there is still
> old stock around, plus re-cyclers are re-processing stock.
Well obviously according to those scientists, there is in fact no ozone
layer and all the pollution we are producing is actually good for the
environment.
And if those scientists are wrong, what are you gonna do? After all they
have cashed their cheques and are now living somewhere in the Bahama
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propaganda. In fact, there is no real proof that r12 does damage to the
ozone.
Hendrik wrote:
>
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This is another good example of why the US should not be in charge of
the world, just about every civilized nation has banned R12 due to it
doing nasty things to the ozone but h no not you a
propaganda. In fact, there is no real proof that r12 does damage to the
ozone.
Hendrik wrote:
> This is another good example of why the US should not be in charge of
> the world, just about every civilized nation has banned R12 due to it
> doing nasty things to the ozone but h no not you a
This is another good example of why the US should not be in charge of
the world, just about every civilized nation has banned R12 due to it
doing nasty things to the ozone but h no not you and why should you?
After all you have the bomb and it is your right to use ozone depleting
substances
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