> Ever feel like selling??
Nope! Was kinda bummed that I didn't buy two, in fact.
(Spare parts, etc.) Someday I'll get to it, or die first.
Either way, I won't mind!
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'83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD!
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Quoting Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:25 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
For many years, Generac ("Genecrap" as they were known
in the industry) tried hard to compete with us big
boys in
gh I'm not sure in the engine will be happy at those rpm's
>> continiously. Doe you think you can modify the existing idle governer
>> to work at 1500 rpm? Peter
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: LWB250 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 11 Ju
> There was an article in Homepower a few years ago about an old fellow
> who
> rewired old industrial electric motors for wind driven generators.
> Beats paying Grainger prices for the two pole gen heads I found there.
My surplus MD3 was $100, and is a double-ended synchronous machine
at about 2
Luther wrote:
>
> If the engine is provided (MB), what are the best brands for gen head only?
> Say in the 15-25kw range? How about the 3-7kw range?
There was an article in Homepower a few years ago about an old fellow who
rewired old industrial electric motors for wind driven generators.
South Africa,
Europe, Africa, and Australia run on 50hz
Not sure about China and Russa
PEter
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Sent: 11 July 2007 15:27
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Peter,
Where are
It seems than at Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:57:01 -0400, Scott wrote:
> My Generac runs at about 63Hz lightly loaded but slows to about 61 Hz with
> about 50% load (like the water heater). There are instructions for
> adjusting the governor but I haven't done it. Also, we notice the lights
> get bright
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:19:36 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem here is that mechanical governors, on a
> good day, give you about 3% - 5% regulation. For
> today's electronic devices, that's not very good. At
> 60Hz, +/- 5% is 57Hz to 63Hz. Your computer and other
> fr
If the engine is provided (MB), what are the best brands for gen head only?
Say in the 15-25kw range? How about the 3-7kw range?
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'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (166 kmi)
'82 300D (74 kmi) getting don
That's why my "real life" conversion says 2HP per KW.
Mike
> I said it was a "textbook" conversion.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> LWB250 wrote:
>> > More like 0.746 watt to 1 horsepower. And that's
>> a
>> > textbook conversion.
>>
>>
>>
>> > 20hp
> The easiest and cheapest method of frequency (speed)
> regulation is a mechanical, or flyweight governor.
> There are only a few manufacturers out there, and
> installation is pretty straightforward - you only need
> a belt to drive it off the engine and linkage to
> connect to the throttle.
The
> This system has a mechanical
> governor for speed and an electronic voltage regulator.
Probably a harmonic voltage regulator, which is not noted for being
particularly good. Cheap, yes, and few parts to fail.
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I said it was a "textbook" conversion.
Sheesh.
Dan
--- John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LWB250 wrote:
> > More like 0.746 watt to 1 horsepower. And that's
> a
> > textbook conversion.
>
>
>
> > 20hp engine = about 15kW (14.91 to be exact, I
> > believe.)
>
>
> So where do you b
LWB250 wrote:
> More like 0.746 watt to 1 horsepower. And that's a
> textbook conversion.
> 20hp engine = about 15kW (14.91 to be exact, I
> believe.)
So where do you buy your 100% efficient genhead? ;-)
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More like 0.746 watt to 1 horsepower. And that's a
textbook conversion. If you're starting high inrush
loads like motors or inductive heaters, you gotta be
able to handle the inrush current, which in small HP
motors can be as many as 6-7 times the running
current.
That's an area where consumers
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:42:39 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> No, I mean the equipmentCheeap stereo's and lighting are very
> forgiving. PC's and high draw electric motors are not so.
PCs have switch-mode power supplies. If they're designed properly they'll
take anything from DC to
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 19:43
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
No, I mean the equipmentCheeap stereo's and lighting are very
forgiving. PC's an
That's a pretty derned sweet deal!!
Mike
>
>
> LWB250 wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a good friend that's a Generac distributor who
>> sells tons of these things. I knnow that the big box
>> retailers like Home Despot do as well. They're very
>> well designed and packaged, and if I wanted a small
>> st
No, I mean the equipmentCheeap stereo's and lighting are very
forgiving. PC's and high draw electric motors are not so.
Mike
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:14:54 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Craig,
>> You are comparing apples to oranges.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06
LWB250 wrote:
>
>
> I have a good friend that's a Generac distributor who
> sells tons of these things. I knnow that the big box
> retailers like Home Despot do as well. They're very
> well designed and packaged, and if I wanted a small
> stationary home standby unit with a transfer switch
>
What is a good source for generator heads of high quality? I've looked many a
time at making a house generator out of a OM616 but never could find a good
source for gen heads.
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> On Behalf Of Peter Merle
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 02:38
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
>
> We are starting to have several power outages where
> I stay and I was
> wondering about getting a spare OM617
There are plenty of industrial diesel engines out
there running with "standard" IPs in constant speed
applications. The only real benefit to modifying the
pump for such an application would be to increase
longevity or reduce manufacturing costs.
The generator industry is full of what we commonly
nerac package
comes with switchover gear, etc and is relatively easy to install.
Scott Ritchey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Peter Merle
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 02:38
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to gene
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:14:54 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Craig,
> You are comparing apples to oranges.
>
> Mike
>
> > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:22:36 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep
> >the > engine at a st
Craig,
You are comparing apples to oranges.
Mike
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:22:36 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep the
>> engine at a steady enough speed under changing loads to maintain a
>> steady voltage and frequency.
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:26:32 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Peter,
> Where are you that you need 50Hz?
>
> Mike
South Africa.
(As evidenced by his email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], see
http://www.geocities.com/eedd88/UrlSuffixes.html?200629?200711 )
Craig
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:22:36 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep the
> engine at a steady enough speed under changing loads to maintain a
> steady voltage and frequency. It could work, but not very good for
> electronic equipme
Very good point. If it is belt driven I guess if it did start to skip or
anything you could disconnect the genhead and and run the snot out of it
for a bit.
SOmetimes I get too complicated and forget that things don't have to be
absolutely perfect to be right for the job.
Yes, indeed. V
> Don't you agree that the MBZ diesels almost "need" an Italian tune-up
> now and again to keep them cleaned out?
Yeah, but I don't think we're actually talking about a long-term
24/7 situation here. I think the optimum fix (?) would involve
special injector nozzles, and I don't know if any suc
Jim,
Don't you agree that the MBZ diesels almost "need" an Italian tune-up
now and again to keep them cleaned out? They would never get that on a
10KW genset. I have a 12Kw head here I would love to run off a MBZ
engine but I bought a Perkins instead...
Mike
>> I think the 617 would
> I think the 617 would make a great genset engineI wonder if
> you
> could get a marine cam and injector pump to make it like the continuous
> duty a bit more.
If he was pulling 40kW, yes, but he only wants 10. I don't
think the engine needs any mods to run happily 24/7 at 1500
RPM.
n Behalf Of Peter Merle
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:52 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
>
> I only need about 10kw at 50Hz so that's no problem at 3000 rpm. In fact
> might be able to run it at 1500 rpm and keep the noise dow
> other vehicles with this engine.) The problem I foresee is how to
> govern
> the engine to run at a constant 3000 rpm in order to maintain a stable
> voltage and frequency under varying load. Can the existing MW pump be
> converted to operate in constant rpm mode?
Probably, I think the tradeoff
oe you think you can modify the existing idle governer to work at 1500
> rpm?
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LWB250 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 July 2007 13:24
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
>
&
Exactly. Figure 2 hp per kw to be safe. You should be able to run a gen
bigger than you could use in an average house with that engine at 3600 but
it is going to load up and run like crap at 1800.
Mike
> The stock 617 would do it, but you're going to need
> some sort of governor, either mechani
MBZ cruise sucks...It is not even close to good enough to keep the
engine at a steady enough speed under changing loads to maintain a steady
voltage and frequency. It could work, but not very good for electronic
equipment.
You could generate DC power and keep a battery bank charged to run a l
Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
I only need about 10kw at 50Hz so that's no problem at 3000 rpm. In fact
might be able to run it at 1500 rpm and keep the noise down although I'm
not sure in the engine will be happy at those rpm's continiously.
Doe yo
1500
rpm?
Peter
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From: LWB250 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 July 2007 13:24
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
The stock 617 would do it, but you're going to need
some sort of governor, either mechanical or electro
The stock 617 would do it, but you're going to need
some sort of governor, either mechanical or electronic
(isochronous) to regulate the speed.
Also, unless you're coupling it to the generator
(alternator) with a gear or belt drive, the engine is
going to have to run at 1800/3600 rpm of 60 Hz,
150
I think the response time will be too long. You will have to make some
kind of pick up I guess.
Peter
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From: Zeitgeist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 July 2007 09:53
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 conversion to generator
Not sure, but can&#
Not sure, but can't you get the cruise control unit to essentially perform
this function?
On 7/10/07, Peter Merle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was
> wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to
> an alte
We are starting to have several power outages where I stay and I was
wondering about getting a spare OM617 ( non turbo ) and hooking it up to
an alternator and powering my home . It is a bit of overkill but it also
servers the purpose of having a hot standby OM617 on call. ( I have 3
other vehicles
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