Mark Schoonover writes:
Are there plans to do the University again??
Every year or two I try again to revive it. Your message started me
again this year. No promises, but we're looking into it.
Thanks Nat for the work you did down here!!
Thanks for your kind words. I love every minute of
Mark Schoonover writes:
Any chance they will bring it back to San Diego?? :)
Not for two years at least (the duration of the contract with the
Portland hotel). The San Diego hotel was much more expensive and
remote, compared to the Portland hotel. I think people are really
going to enjoy being
Robert Landrum writes:
One of the other things I disliked about the last OSCON was the missing
Perl Conference Proceedings.
They didn't appear because we didn't have time at O'Reilly to do it.
They're prepared in Framemaker, to fit with our style guide, and take
a huge and painful amount of
Ask Bjoern Hansen writes:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Perrin Harkins wrote:
Like Perrin I would like feedback on the idea before putting in my
proposal.
I've also been asked if anyone has a wishlist of talks they'd like to
see at the conference. Ideally they'd be talks I'd pay money to see
but I
I need some people with brains (instead of the warm gray mush filling
my head, the effects of becoming an editor) to look over the first 1/3
or so of a mod_perl chapter for the upcoming Perl Cookbook. I need
people to read the work for accuracy. If you're interested, send me
mail: [EMAIL
Nick Tonkin writes:
Obviously you (or ORA) _are_ competing with mod_perl Developer's
Cookbook ...
If ORA wanted to cover mod_perl they should not have let Geoff co. get
away to another publisher.
Actually, we do cover mod_perl--we published the Eagle book, Writing
Apache Modules ... way
take23.org has been very quiet. I think it'd be cool if everyone on
this list posted a short piece about their current mod_perl project.
It could be a module they're working on, a site they built, or even
something as simple as how I used Apache::MP3 to let everyone in our
house listen to our
I suppose I should point out that perl.com is always interested in
mod_perl articles. If you've learned lessons that others could
benefit from, contact the perl.com editor, Simon Cozens
[EMAIL PROTECTED].
Nat
Stas Bekman writes:
The list's goal is to create the Perl 5 Enterprise Extensions.
Send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to join. When we've decided
on a path and start to code, I'll have a CVS repository created.
any reason for hardcoding 5 in the name?
Two reasons:
* perl6 doesn't exist
Stas Bekman writes:
Notice that I've just taken a few pages together, but let me know what
you think.
Nice. I assume that we're at the stage of criticising the design and
not the text/ (I'd like you to use the text I came up with for my
experiment at http://24.255.234.11/~gnat/modperl/).
Leon Brocard writes:
Perhaps a port of JMS is in order.
Interestingly, I've been thinking along the same lines. Spread
(http://www.spread.org/) can be used for the publish/subscribe
messaging domain but queueing seems to be important too. Straying a
bit offtopic perhaps, but I wonder what
Stephen Adkins writes:
If no one suggests an appropriate list, I propose starting a p2ee group
on SourceForge. This gives us mailing lists and a CVS repository for the
artifacts of the effort (which will mostly be specifications and
documentation, with maybe some Bundle files). I would also
Stephen Adkins writes:
That would be great (as long as perl.org can host the CVS too).
My concern was that perl.org might not be as specialized in hosting
development teams as sourceforge.net. Do you support viewcvs
or similar for web browsing of the CVS repository?
cvsweb. You can see
The list's goal is to create the Perl 5 Enterprise Extensions.
Send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to join. When we've decided
on a path and start to code, I'll have a CVS repository created.
Nat
Ask Bjoern Hansen writes:
I'll chew on a new layout and give you something by the end of the
week. Thanks,
awesome! :-)
I did have something by the end of last week, just not much. I'd
hoped to find the time to plug the holes this week, but haven't been
able to. So here it is, woefully
Joe Schaefer writes:
A causal reading seems to suggest that most mod_perl-based
templating systems do exactly what this patent will cover:
i.e. set up a non-HTML based website where templates
dynamically convert non-HTML files into HTML.
IANAL (and IVAGINAL too, but that's for a different
Stas Bekman writes:
Everything is under CVS, and if somebody wants to come and give a
hand to redo the site, there is no problem to give a cvs access to
this person.
I'll chew on a new layout and give you something by the end of the
week. Thanks,
Nat
Tim Peoples writes:
I tried doing the s/OK/DECLINED/ thing and it didn't do the trick. :-(
I forgot to mention that this is in combination with HTML::Mason,
but I doubt that should have any effect.
This appears to be a bug in mod_perl, partially (said, I think, Geoff
Young) fixed in the
http://www.torkington.com/vermicide.txt has a mod_perl handler to
catch the requests as soon as they arrive, and discard them with a
minimum of work to Apache. If your web server is struggling under the
load, this might help.
The heuristic it uses for requests to ignore with prejudice is the
[Apologies if you get this twice--mailed it first from my oreilly.com
account, which may not be the address subscribed to this list]
http://www.torkington.com/vermicide.txt has a mod_perl handler to
catch the requests as soon as they arrive, and discard them with a
minimum of work to Apache. If
Tim Peoples writes:
This 'Apache::Vermicide' module, installed as a 'PerlPostReadRequestHandler',
seems to be preventing any 'PerlSetEnv' directives from being parsed out
of a '.htaccess' file (or equivalent). IOW, the ENV vars aren't getting
set properly.
I'm investigating how to remedy
Tim Peoples writes:
I tried doing the s/OK/DECLINED/ thing and it didn't do the trick. :-(
You're right, it was the restart that did it. OK/DECLINED makes no
difference in that handler.
I'm seeing, with or without my handler, the PerlSetEnv stuff only
happening once per connection rather
Matt Sergeant writes:
I guess TPC::Hawaii is out then :-)
Don't think I haven't argued for it!
Nat
Matt Sergeant writes:
I doubt it's the last one we'll see fall... I suspect TPC will be a
shadow of its former self... :(
Despite my best efforts (zillions more tracks than last year, 200+
talks, five days instead of four, all in a tanking economy), there's
going to be an OScon with TPC next
Jeffrey W. Baker writes:
Because I am an Authentic 99.44 Percent Pure Jackass(tm) I haven't
booked a room at the O'Reilly convention fast approaching. I called
the hotel today and all they were able to offer me were some
overpriced suites that I don't want. I would be very grateful if
one
Stas Bekman writes:
Anyway, you can take tutorials without going to any conferences. My
tutorials are available from http://stason.org/talks/, Nat has posted his
tutorial's URL a few months ago and it should be available in the
archives. I suppose you can ask other folks that deliver mod_perl
Jesse Erlbaum writes:
I've been trying for THREE DAYS to email SOMEBODY at PERL.COM about
taking out a damn ad in their Perl.Com newsletter.
The bounces from songline and oreillynet were very bogus. I've sent
your mail to someone high up at perl.com to figure out what's going on
and get in
Matt Sergeant writes:
For what it's worth, I'm now back out from spending a week and a bit under
the bar. What a hangover! :-)
I'd like to attest that I did see Matt away from the bar. Sometimes
he was pool-side, and sometimes he went to Fry's with us. :-)
I can't say how much fun it was
Blue Lang wrote:
I'd like to officially vote for Maude Pearl, the 1920's Bettie Paige-ish
dominatrix-esque mod_perl mascot.
Wow. I've had "perl6 themes" as a background process for a while now.
SM is certainly a meme that precious few other programming languages
have made use of ...
"Michael A. Nachbaur" wrote:
Since today seems to be "The Day of the Off Topic(tm)", I thought I'd jump
in with my question.
Is there a event messaging framework available for Perl, similar to JMS?
I'd like to be able to have an object registered as a handler for certain
"events", and
jeff saenz wrote:
Might be possible that soap is addressing messaging issues.
Is there a event messaging framework available for Perl, similar to JMS?
I'd like to be able to have an object registered as a handler for certain
"events", and have perl code throw those events causing the
Gunther Birznieks writes:
However, I am willing to concede that as a first cut, fancy slides are
probably not worth it because the slides will change too often. Once v1 is
released, then someone can transcribe the slides to PPT (or maybe a tool
will exist by then) as a "stable release" if
Homsher, Dave V. writes:
With all of the advocacy talk on the ML right now I've been
mulling around the idea of having a "peer review" forum where one could post
code that you are currently working on w/an explanation of what you are
trying to accomplish and have the community review/give
J. J. Horner writes:
What is the story on these tutorials? Is it something you can
distribute, or did most of it come off of the top your head?
Tutorials seems like a deadend for effort. I've had zero (0)
responses to my offer of my "Introduction to mod_perl" tutorial.
If nobody's
Allen Wilson writes:
I for one...would like to see some tutorials. I am just starting to
use mod_perl and it hard getting a firm start.
http://prometheus.frii.com/~gnat/mod_perl is the only freely-available
tutorial that I know of. There are a few (ahem) bugs in the code, but
the tutorial is
Matt Sergeant writes:
Basically I see the distinction as news/community vs the official home
page. The same as php3.org vs phpbuilder.
I think modperl.com should be the webpage that shows modperl to be an
active vibrant technology. In other words, I think take23 should
really be on
I think the 100% Java idea has had its day. Microsoft's .NET is a
tacit admission that in the real world Microsoft will never own 100%
of the market, so let's make things work better together.
In that vein, I'd love to see an article on mod_perl and JSP
cooperating. That is, a website that
Perrin Harkins writes:
Anyway, I think a better approach for getting attention from Java-minded
people is to demonstrate that there are well-designed, carefully
engineered sites being built in mod_perl. Most of the articles I see
about Perl tend to play up the "quick hack" aspect, and ignore
Please trim your replies so that there aren't two pages of quoted
material and then five lines of original response. Sometimes I
feel like I need a map and compass to find the new message :-)
Thanks,
Nat
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J. J. Horner writes:
I'd be interested in something like this.
Certification is a quagmire. If it's done well, it takes a lot of
work by the certification authority, and that makes it expensive for
those certified. If it's done poorly, it's useless and is just a
moneymaker for the
Stas Bekman writes:
Luckily Matt has got sick of waiting for someone to work on the advocacy
of mod_perl and he has just taken over it. Having a good informational
site is good, but it's not enough. We need to solve the problem of people
to find this site and wanting to use mod_perl.
Paul writes:
Any idea what it would take to get a link there from webs like tpj and
Perl.com?
Those two I can easily make happen. Send me email saying what you
want a link to, and what you want the link to say.
Writers for perl.com are always wanted. Pitch your article ideas to
[EMAIL
Stas Bekman writes:
Sorry about not mentioning all the other speakers who have added to the
YAPC fun. Nat was there, so we will make sure to bring at least a little
of this fun to TPC. I know that people pay a lot of money to attend TPC,
compared to YAPC, but I doubt that people would
Matt Sergeant writes:
Since its getting towards the end of the year, should we be thinking of
putting together a mod_perl track for TPC?
I've got a room allocated to mod_perl for two days of conference at
the next OScon. With this group's blessing I'd like to call it "the
mod_perl
I wrote:
I've got a room allocated to mod_perl for two days of conference at
the next OScon
Man, that'll teach me to open my big mouth :-)
OScon is O'Reilly's Open Source Convention. Next year it will be
in San Diego. See http://conferences.ora.com/ for a link to this
year's OScon. OScon
Perrin Harkins writes:
I may be able to offer something on how we use mod_perl at eToys. We
recently rewrote our codebase to take better advantage of mod_perl and are
using some fun OO stuff, as well as a bunch of scalability tricks.
I was also thinking about presenting a comparison of
Thanks for the speedy response. You've now emboldened me to ask my
second question: sometimes I see people not calling send_http_header()
and yet their HTML still comes through. Does mod_perl sometimes
automatically call this for you?
Nat
Ask Bjoern Hansen writes:
We have a mod_perl BOF the 19th from 8-9pm (that's 20-21 for the
rest of us) - http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/w/bofs.html - which
means that we have to stay sober enough to at least remember what
time it is while we drink VA Linux's beer. :-)
Matt Sergeant writes:
Nope, but often I do use the TomC "my $fh = do { local *FH; };" method,
because I hate those ugly HANDLE capital letters everywhere - they use up
more bytes than lower case ones... ;-)
When you have 5.6.0, it's even easier:
my $fh;
open($fh, " foobar") or die;
#
Stas Bekman writes:
Therefore a possible solution, as offered by both conference organizers,
is to have a dedicated mod_perl track this summer in Monterey and in
Close, but not quite. It's too late to adjust the July 2000
conference (layout was finalized around March 1), but we are all
I guess I'm not sure why mod_perl needs a conference of its own.
Would a mod_perl track as part of the O'Reilly Open Source Conference
work for you? That way you wouldn't need to kill a member of the
community by pushing organization onto them, as O'Reilly's (excellent)
conference organization
I said:
I guess I'm not sure why mod_perl needs a conference of its own.
Would a mod_perl track as part of the O'Reilly Open Source Conference
work for you? That way you wouldn't need to kill a member of the
community by pushing organization onto them, as O'Reilly's (excellent)
conference
Jeff D. 'Spud (Zeppelin)' Almeida writes:
1) I don't think getting 200 people to attend a mod_perl conference is
particularly ambitious at all, especially if it's held in a manner
convenient for people to attend. 20,000 people went to Linux World in New
York, and it wasn't THAT great of a
Jason Bodnar writes:
I guess my big problem with the ORA conference last year was that all the
tutorials I attended last year tried to cover the basics and didn't lead
enough time for in-depth informaiton.
Yup, I agree. The level of the material offered, though, is in the
hands of the
Jeff D. 'Spud (Zeppelin)' Almeida writes:
I don't know why it is that we (as a computer industry) feel
compelled to attach grossly overinflated registration fees to our
professional meetings, but the ones that don't have them (like YAPC)
tend to be better-appreciated.
The registration fee is
Leslie Mikesell writes:
personal styles of perl coding are involved. It would be
nice if some outlines/slides of the material could be online
before the signup deadlines and the actual session could
spend more time in discussion and question/answer than
covering the overview.
(getting away
Gunther Birznieks writes:
Of course that brings us to the question as to whether OReilly Perl
conference is really giving people the depth in what seems to be an
increasingly popular reason for using Perl: mod_perl. If you want to
do a tightly focused Apache::Mod_perl conference, then, I
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