Hi there,
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, John Heitmann wrote:
Over the weekend I posted here with questions about a problem where
variables stored in pnotes did not get garbage collected. Thanks to
some very helpful hints I was able to determine that mod_perl was
leaking pnotes in a request with an
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Perrin Harkins wrote:
(http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2003/create/e_sess). I'm
thinking about possible talks to submit and I want a little feedback on
what people are most interested in. Here are two options I'mconsidering:
1) Database Objects in Perl
I would
HI,
I'd really like to see talks on:
1. Web Server Compression - a comparison, between mod_gzip, DynaGzip
Compress etc, pros / cons, SSL compression, and example configurations
2. Application Server Options - a comparison between pure-perl,
Apache/mod_perl, POE, SpeedyCGI etc
Andy Wardley wrote:
Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote:
I am planning to submit a proposal for a introduction talk on MVC in
a web environment.
[...]
Like Perrin I would like feedback on the idea before putting in my
proposal.
I like the sound of it, but I should warn you that I have a personal
Nigel Hamilton wrote:
HI,
I'd really like to see talks on:
1. Web Server Compression - a comparison, between mod_gzip, DynaGzip
Compress etc, pros / cons, SSL compression, and example configurations
2. Application Server Options - a comparison between pure-perl,
Apache/mod_perl, POE,
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Nathan Torkington wrote:
Ask Bjoern Hansen writes:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Perrin Harkins wrote:
Like Perrin I would like feedback on the idea before putting in my
proposal.
I've also been asked if anyone has a wishlist of talks they'd like to
see at the conference.
Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ask Bjoern Hansen writes:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Perrin Harkins wrote:
Like Perrin I would like feedback on the idea before putting in my
proposal.
I've also been asked if anyone has a wishlist of talks they'd like to
see at the conference. Ideally
Perrin Harkins wrote:
(http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2003/create/e_sess). I'm
thinking about possible talks to submit and I want a little feedback on
what people are most interested in. Here are two options I'mconsidering:
I would be extremely interested in talks covering any work
Andy Wardley writes:
I like the sound of it, but I should warn you that I have a personal
crusade against inappropriate use of the phrase MVC in relation to
web development.
So how about a panel discussion. I would gladly represent the MVC
camp. :-) (see http://www.bivio.biz/hm/why-bOP
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Perrin Harkins wrote:
2) The Perl Pet Store
This would be a discussion of porting the J2EE Pet Store reference
application to Perl. It would cover Perl equivalents for various J2EE
features, and talk about what was easier or harder to do in Perl.
I think this could
Larry Leszczynski wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Perrin Harkins wrote:
2) The Perl Pet Store
This would be a discussion of porting the J2EE Pet Store reference
application to Perl. It would cover Perl equivalents for various J2EE
features, and talk about what was easier or harder to do in
Perrin Harkins wrote:
Several people have brought up benchmarking in reference to the pet
store. I don't think it will possible to do a good benchmark of this
application, partly because it's so big (it's a reference app that uses
lots of functionality just to demonstrate it) and partly
Hi Perrin -
If people are more concerned with seeing something that would dispel
myths about Perl performance, rather than a talk on feature portability
from J2EE to Perl,
I agree benchmarks would be a valuable marketing tool, but personally I
prefer the feature portability angle - I don't
Some of you will find this interesting, but I'd be hesistant placing too
much emphasis on it, since it's really just one programmer's view of the
cubes he can see.
Java programmers are dime a dozen
they must breed like rabbits
we've got tons of them
but where do you get a corporate
but where do you get a corporate experienced, clean-cut (75%, at least)
person willing to put on the tie 5 days a week and do mod_perl?
I suspect that there are actually quite a few people on this list that would
_love_ to do mod_perl full time. after talking to a few employers over the
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Jonathan M. Hollin wrote:
Perrin Harkins wrote:
(http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2003/create/e_sess). I'm
thinking about possible talks to submit and I want a little feedback on
what people are most interested in. Here are two options I'mconsidering:
I would be
I suspect that there are actually quite a few people on this
list that would
_love_ to do mod_perl full time.
open up to telecommuting and I suspect you would soon find
yourself fully
staffed.
Definitely. Put me in this category. I'm faced with having to relocate at
some point in
but where do you get a corporate experienced, clean-cut (75%, at least)
person willing to put on the tie 5 days a week and do mod_perl?
Josh:
I was with you right up to the part about wearing a tie :-)
I suspect that there are actually quite a few people on this list that
would _love_
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Larry Leszczynski wrote:
But even if Perrin's OSCON talk (hint hint) gave me some valuable
ammunition to show that I could just as easily design on top of a
Perl-based application framework as on J2EE, we still come back around to
the perception that it's easier to find
I agree. There are probably more of us than might be immediately obvious,
too. If a mod_perl programmer doesn't see too many mod_perl jobs in their
area, they're likely to highlight other areas when they go job hunting even
if they'd rather do mod_perl and could do it well.
I wonder if
I wonder if telecommuting plus occasional travel for
face-to-face would
sell better than pure telecommuting. Is this done very often
in telecommute
situations?
This is exactly what I hope to propose if the need arises in my situation.
Would love to hear from others who have had success
The start of a new year has me thinking of how I can improve things.
Like the way I develop, debug and test code.
Do you develop with an xterm tailing the logs, an emacs window (or other
editor) to edit the script and/or the packages (and on some occassions
httpd.conf), and a web browser (on an
Do you develop with an xterm tailing the logs, an emacs
window (or other
editor) to edit the script and/or the packages (and on some occassions
httpd.conf), and a web browser (on an alternate virtual
desktop)?
Bingo. :-)
Do you
pepper code with :
print option: . $option{$foo . br
This is going to be a somewhat preliminary feeler post because we are not
yet able to fully describe or recreate the bug we're seeing, but I'm hoping
some of you have seen something similar.
We use Apache::Session::File as the storage module for our Apache::Session
sessions. I have written an
There is a good technique in the mod_perl cookbock that talks about using
a Debug module with exported constants. If you program to the API where
all of your code is compiled into bytecode at server startup into
discrete packages then this means that all of your debug if() sections
sprinkled
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003, Jim Martinez wrote:
The start of a new year has me thinking of how I can improve things.
Like the way I develop, debug and test code.
Do you develop with an xterm tailing the logs, an emacs window (or other
editor) to edit the script and/or the packages (and on some
--
I find ab to be very quick to type
ab('processing...');ab(\%whats_in_here);
use Data::Dumper;
sub ab {
return if exists $ENV{SERVER} $ENV{SERVER} eq 'PRODUCTION';
my $msg=shift;
if (ref $msg) {
print STDERR
I use HTTP::WebTest for that sort of regression testing, just to make sure
nothing breaks along the way. I also use LWP and HTML::LinkExtor to check
some dynamically generated pages to make sure it's still generating valid
links. (It broke once, so after fixing I added a test for it... )
For
mpm writes:
Debugging of the applications now looks like:
$ced-log('warn',No price for this product)
Here's an an alternative that we've evolved from Modula-2 to C to Java
to Perl :-) Firstly, I try to distinguish between stuff I always
want to see and debugging messages. The former we call
I think most people don't use Apache::Session::File in production. It's
more of a testing thing. In your situation, you would probably get
great performance from MLDBM::Sync with SDBM_File. I'd suggest trying
that if you can't determine the cause of the Apache::Session::File issues.
Any chance they will bring it back to San Diego?? :)
.mark
-Original Message-
From: Robert Landrum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OSCON ideas - missing proceedings
One of the other things I disliked about the last
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if telecommuting plus occasional travel for
face-to-face would
sell better than pure telecommuting. Is this done very often
in telecommute
situations?
This is exactly what I hope to propose if the need arises in my situation.
Would love to hear from
I use my debugging module
(http://cpan.perl.org/authors/id/T/TB/TBOLIOLI/Log-AndError-0.99.tar.gz)
which prints to stderr (hence I got bit by the mod_cgi issues with
read/write deadlocks on pipes) while tailing the logs, etc. I am looking
to include a syslog and other output drivers to my mod
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Thomas Bolioli wrote:
I use my debugging module
(http://cpan.perl.org/authors/id/T/TB/TBOLIOLI/Log-AndError-0.99.tar.gz)
which prints to stderr (hence I got bit by the mod_cgi issues with
read/write deadlocks on pipes) while tailing the logs, etc. I am looking
to include
Jim Martinez wrote:
[...]
At apachecon, a speaker (who neither bragged nor rambled) mentioned lwp
use instead of (or to complement) the web browser portion.
Will the use of lwp instead of a browser improve my coding ability (either
in terms of speed or just improving my perl coding)? Seems like
Richard wrote:
I had a brand new server setup yesterday, which has SuExec installed.
I read somewhere, I don't remember where, that mod_perl won't work with
SuExec.
Is that true? Or did I just think I read that somewhere?
It's true. It's all explained here:
Mark Schoonover writes:
Any chance they will bring it back to San Diego?? :)
Not for two years at least (the duration of the contract with the
Portland hotel). The San Diego hotel was much more expensive and
remote, compared to the Portland hotel. I think people are really
going to enjoy being
Robert Landrum writes:
One of the other things I disliked about the last OSCON was the missing
Perl Conference Proceedings.
They didn't appear because we didn't have time at O'Reilly to do it.
They're prepared in Framemaker, to fit with our style guide, and take
a huge and painful amount of
Hi Nigel,
OSCON is so far away from the Web Content Compression features. They
discarded my proposal to talk about Effective Content Delivery over the Web.
You know, O'Reilly itself delivers uncompressed web content to date (indeed,
they have mod_gzip and mod_perl installed on Apache):
C05 --
I don't see any reason why your `` invoked process doesn't see the CGI
env vars. For example:
#!/usr/bin/perl
print Content-type: text/plain\n\n;
$ENV{'PATH'} = '/bin:/usr/bin';
delete @ENV{'IFS', 'CDPATH', 'ENV', 'BASH_ENV'};
print qx{printenv |grep REMOTE_ADDR};
prints:
REMOTE_ADDR=127.0.0.1
The problem: Apache is generating File does not exist within its
error.log and the message Object not found (The requested URL was not
found. Error number 404.) while
attempting to call a perl module from a brower.
Since I am new with mod_perl, and somewhat with familiar perl, I must
Steve D wrote:
The problem: Apache is generating File does not exist within its
error.log and the message Object not found (The requested URL was not
found. Error number 404.) while attempting to call a perl module from a
brower.
[...]
Location /CurrDate
SetHandler per-script
The Bricolage team is pleased to announce the release of Bricolage-Devel
1.5.0, a development release for what will eventually become Bricolage
1.6.0. In addition to all of the bug fixes included in the 1.4.6
release,
this version of the 100% Perl content management system adds many new
features.
Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote:
I am planning to submit a proposal for a introduction talk on MVC in
a web environment.
[...]
Like Perrin I would like feedback on the idea before putting in my
proposal.
I like the sound of it, but I should warn you that I have a personal
crusade against
I had a brand new server setup yesterday, which has
SuExec installed.
I read somewhere,I don't remember where, that
mod_perl won't work with SuExec.
Is that true? Or did I just think I read that
somewhere?
I see mod_perl in my RPM package installer, with
the options of ignore
One of the other things I disliked about the last OSCON was the missing
Perl Conference Proceedings. I still have very fond memories of reading about
Damians very sick, very twisted, Coy.pm in the 1999 Perl Conference Proceedings.
Did anyone else notice that they weren't made available at the
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Jim Martinez wrote:
Do you develop with an xterm tailing the logs, an emacs window ...
Yep.
print option: . $option{$foo . br if $debug;
Fairly low tech, huh.
We used to do this. Along with the move from registry to full mod_perl,
We changed the way that we did this.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyway, my question for now is whether anyone has seen corruption like this
with Apache::Session::File in your typical multi-user mod_perl web app
environment?
I think most people don't use Apache::Session::File in production. It's
more of a testing thing. In your
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