Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Edward J. Sabol
On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Sander Striker wrote: > If you are interested in seeing mod_perl remain an active project, and are > able to help maintain and provide oversight, please respond in this thread > indicating that you are interested in performing the duties of a PMC > member[2]. I am,

RE: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread dcook
I am not interested in performing those duties but could you clarify how many active PMC members there are currently? It looks like the list at https://perl.apache.org/about/pmc.html is over 7 years out of date. It’s unclear how up-to-date the list at https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Steve Hay
On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 at 19:40, Sander Striker wrote: > > Dear community members, > > As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity reduces > to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache, > projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 acti

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Adam Prime
When the roll call was done a month ago it's basically myself and Steve, with Steve really being the only one that has much knowledge of the guts of the project. Up until the last few months gozer (Phillippe Chaisson) was at least around enough to file reports, but has been MIA a few months. So

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Adam Prime
The projects current state is that no new development happening. This isn't to say that new development shouldn't happen, but it isn't. Apache and Perl both continue to move forward, and we are pretty lucky that the design that Stas, Phillipe, Geoff, etc built mod_perl 2 under is resilient enou

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Jim Albert
Not that I want to be the guy that says it sounds like we'll be pulling the mod_perl plug at any time the right scenario arises, but is it reasonable to have a discussion here on mod_perl alternatives inline with the various means of using mod_perl from the low level means of interfacing with t

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Adam Prime
I think if you want to discuss alternatives, then a new thread would be the place to do that. With regards to plug being pulled, I think that it is up to the community if, when, and how that happens. That's what the point of this thread is. If there aren't people that are committed enough to t

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Fred Moyer
Happy to continue being a maintainer. Longer response coming soon :) On Wed, Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM Adam Prime wrote: > I think if you want to discuss alternatives, then a new thread would be > the place to do that. > > With regards to plug being pulled, I think that it is up to the > community i

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Jim Albert
Sure... I'll start a new thread after I reply here. I don't know about how apache projects are maintained and the logistics, but there are two issues here. Foremost... from your previous response you need a few people to step up and file your described report indicating no new releases, but tha

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Adam Prime
I didn't say there are no developers, I said there is no active development happening. Steve Hay is a developer. Fred Moyer, who replied to this thread earlier this evening, has also made significant contributions to the project. I can dive into the C if I have to, to fix bugs or review code, b

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Fred Moyer
Longer response here. So I'm happy to be another active PMC member still involved. As someone with a growing family, my time is limited, but not too much to review and lend a +1 or feedback. I think that may be the case for a few of the folks on this list. I'd like to see Steve Hay lead the future

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Jim Albert
Thanks for the thorough response, Fred. At some point before mod_perl stops having any development support would you expect an End Of Life announcement with reasonable advanced notice? I haven't followed discussion or announcements on other Apache modules to know how modules normally reach the

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Steve Hay
On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 at 05:07, Fred Moyer wrote: > > Longer response here. > > So I'm happy to be another active PMC member still involved. As > someone with a growing family, my time is limited, but not too much to > review and lend a +1 or feedback. I think that may be the case for a > few of the

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Ruben Safir
I am willing, but I am not sure how much expertise I have to the project. I can code in C and C++ and Perl ,and used modperl for decades, but I have never got into the guts of it. On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 08:43:25PM -0400, Adam Prime wrote: > When the roll call was done a month ago it's basical

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Ruben Safir
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 09:50:05PM -0400, Jim Albert wrote: > Not that I want to be the guy that says it sounds like we'll be > pulling the mod_perl plug at any time the right scenario arises, but > is it reasonable to have a discussion here on mod_perl alternatives > inline with the various means

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Michel Jansen
Isnt it interesting to know how many, happy, users modperl has? Michel > Op 18 mrt. 2021 om 06:07 heeft Fred Moyer het > volgende geschreven: > > Longer response here. > > So I'm happy to be another active PMC member still involved. As > someone with a growing family, my time is limited, but

RE: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread dcook
- From: Steve Hay Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2021 9:06 PM To: Fred Moyer Cc: Adam Prime ; mod_perl list Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 at 05:07, Fred Moyer wrote: > > Longer response here. > > So I'm happy to be another active PMC member s

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-18 Thread Nedžad Hrnjica
Hello, I am interested in volunteering (performing duties of a PMC member) some of my time/knowledge to keep this project up and running. Nedzad Hrnjica ned...@nedzadhrnjica.com On 2021-03-17 20:40, Sander Striker wrote: Dear community members, As projects mature, they will naturally reach

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-19 Thread Matthias Schmitt
Hello, > On 18 Mar 2021, at 23:05, Michel Jansen wrote: > > Isnt it interesting to know how many, happy, users modperl has? Yes, count me in. Out of curiosity I tried to search for a mod_perl alternative for our applications, but have not found anything which could replace it. It might be old

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-20 Thread Philippe Chiasson
I am also still around and keeping an eye on things, maybe from afar a little, but still here and invested. For myself, I find that one of the challenges in filing board reports is having to effectively report more or less nothing of value, on a schedule that’s just long and infrequent enough t

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-23 Thread Chris
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Sander Striker wrote: > Dear community members, > > As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity > reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At > Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at leas

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-23 Thread John Dunlap
> What is missing or too hard to do in mod_perl? 1) Using an MPM other than prefork 2) Websockets On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 2:57 PM Chris wrote: > On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Sander Striker wrote: > > Dear community members, > > > > As projects mature, they will naturally reach a poi

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-25 Thread tomcat/perl
Hi. I am a long-term (30+) user of Apache/mod_perl (and perl), but at the application level, not at the committer or PMC level. May I therefor respectfully contribute an "outsider's" point of view ? I believe that mod_perl (like perl itself) suffers from the fact that it is just "too good", i

Re: [External] Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

2021-03-17 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Jim, mod_perl, while a module, is it's own Top Level Project at the Apache Software Foundation.  So the Project Management Committee (PMC) of the mod_perl project determines how things go. For other modules that aren't their own project, they fall under the Apache HTTPD PMC's domain. Right now